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Cannonpointer » 26 Mar 2017 10:25 am » wrote:They aren't supposed to be mentioned in the report - not by name. That takes a FISA warrant - uncloaking. Otherwise, if the information is only incidental, the names of the Americans are supposed to remain unwritten.

Misty » 26 Mar 2017 12:40 pm » wrote: Unmasking of the names of people caught up in incidental collection within the intelligence community is NOT illegal if they have probable cause, which they would need to obtain a FISA warrant.
Leaking the unmasked names to the press is illegal.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/ ... -glossary/

Misty » 26 Mar 2017 12:24 pm » wrote:From the person who constantly accuses me of being a liar.


Show me where Comey said that the FBI has been monitoring communications out of Trump Tower since last summer?

Cannonpointer » 26 Mar 2017 12:46 pm » wrote:If I read you right, there is one confirmed felony in this deal, and it's the leak. That precisely what the right wing media is saying, and it certainly seems to be what you are saying.

Termin8tor » 26 Mar 2017 12:52 pm » wrote:
I don't know at this point how many leaks there have been, or what the law is regarding unmasking.

But the ONLY actual crime we know of is this illegal leak.

What have you babbled about for months?

Not the felony.

Only something that is NOT being investigated and for which there is zero evidence.

Cannonpointer » 26 Mar 2017 12:53 pm » wrote:Link?

Termin8tor » 26 Mar 2017 12:56 pm » wrote:


Why would I bother? You'd just go blind or lie if I cited it.

Here's a hint. It's in one of my threads about all this, the ones you almost never go in.

Termin8tor[/url][url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]» 06 Aug 2015 6:33 pm » wrote:Not even liberal pundits are so stupid as to claim

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 15 Oct 2015 3:50 pm » wrote:I'm recalling from memory, wackjob, andgiven that it was decades ago ...I'm likely correct.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 15 Jun 2015 9:16 am » wrote:I've for many, many, many years cited sources to back up my claims.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 15 Oct 2015 4:46 pm » wrote:Reality isn't determined by a link, Dim.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 04 Jun 2015 2:39 pm » wrote:Anyone with the slightest knowledge of history knows

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 23 Sep 2015 8:45 am » wrote:Anyone with eyes knows

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 12 May 2015 6:50 pm » wrote: Gosh, who should we believe, the babbling, lying psychotic? Or the best minds on Economics and history?

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 13 Nov 2015 2:24 pm » wrote:Anyone who lived through that era or has read extensively about it knows

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 07 May 2015 10:54 am » wrote:Only a psychotic would deny

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 21 Oct 2015 9:06 am » wrote:No honest person would claim

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 13 Oct 2015 8:57 pm » wrote:I bring more sources to the board than perhaps anyone. I have proved almost every claim I've made.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 10 Oct 2015 5:34 pm » wrote:Anyone who's followed politics knows that.

Termin8tor » 17 Mar 2017 10:37 am » wrote:I cite likely 50 times the sources you do, psycho.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 04 Nov 2015 10:48 am » wrote:Only a leftist liar would call a hugely successful developer like Trump a "nutjob."

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 07 May 2015 10:07 am » wrote:No one except a fringe leftist/and or psychotic would claim

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 05 Jan 2015 8:58 am » wrote:That's widely acknowledged by mainstream sources.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 03 Sep 2015 2:03 pm » wrote:I'll bet blind

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 18 Jul 2015 5:59 am » wrote:...the moonbat who denies the widely accepted fact

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 18 Oct 2015 1:10 pm » wrote:from what I understand. Babbling psychotic imbecile.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 25 Sep 2014 10:52 am » wrote:...admit obvious, widely accepted reality.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 27 Aug 2015 12:54pm » wrote:Blah, blah, blah, the endless bleating of a lying psychotic.

Cannonpointer » 26 Mar 2017 12:46 pm » wrote:If I read you right, there is one confirmed felony in this deal, and it's the leak. That's precisely what the right wing media is saying, and it certainly seems to be what you are saying.

Termin8tor » 26 Mar 2017 12:52 pm » wrote:I don't know at this point how many leaks there have been, or what the law is regarding unmasking.

Misty » 26 Mar 2017 1:13 pm » wrote: If you mean the leak of Michael Flynn's name, yes.
But Clem is making a lot more accusations than that.
And he who is constantly whining about there being no evidence against Trump Co. has provided no evidence for that claim.

Cannonpointer » 26 Mar 2017 1:02 pm » wrote: It's okay - I have your sources handy.

Termin8tor » 26 Mar 2017 12:46 pm » wrote:Thanks for making my point, Dim.
Comey and other Obama officials have held back a lot of information.
He had an ethical if not statutory obligation to inform Nunes that Trump was surveilled, in closed hearings or privately if necessary, but he violated his obligation.
Comey is part of the problem.

Termin8tor » 26 Mar 2017 12:46 pm » wrote:And even more hilarious, the NYTimes reported that Trump Tower was "wiretapped."
Now suddenly you want to pretend the NYTimes isn't trustworthy?
Liar.

Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates

WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.

The continuing counterintelligence investigation means that Mr. Trump will take the oath of office on Friday with his associates under investigation and after the intelligence agencies concluded that the Russian government had worked to help elect him.

As president, Mr. Trump will oversee those agencies and have the authority to redirect or stop at least some of these efforts.

It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself.

It is also unclear whether the inquiry has anything to do with an investigation into the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computers and other attempts to disrupt the elections in November.

The American government has concluded that the Russian government was responsible for a broad computer hacking campaign, including the operation against the D.N.C.

The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia.

Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia.

Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said.

Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny.

Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit.

The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said.

One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.

Counterintelligence investigations examine the connections between American citizens and foreign governments.

Those connections can involve efforts to steal state or corporate secrets, curry favor with American government leaders or influence policy.

It is unclear which Russian officials are under investigation, or what particular conversations caught the attention of American eavesdroppers.

The legal standard for opening these investigations is low, and prosecutions are rare.

“We have absolutely no knowledge of any investigation or even a basis for such an investigation,” said Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for the Trump transition.

In an emailed statement Thursday evening, Mr. Manafort called allegations that he had interactions with the Russian government a “Democrat Party dirty trick and completely false.”

“I have never had any relationship with the Russian government or any Russian officials. I was never in contact with anyone, or directed anyone to be in contact with anyone,” he said.

“On the ‘Russian hacking of the D.N.C.,’” he said, “my only knowledge of it is what I have read in the papers.”

The decision to open the investigations was not based on a dossier of salacious, uncorroborated allegations that were compiled by a former British spy working for a Washington research firm.

The F.B.I. is also examining the allegations in that dossier, and a summary of its contents was provided to Mr. Trump earlier this month.

Representatives of the agencies involved declined to comment.

Of the half-dozen current and former officials who confirmed the existence of the investigations, some said they were providing information because they feared the new administration would obstruct their efforts.

All spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the cases.

Numerous news outlets, including The New York Times, have reported on the F.B.I. investigations into Mr. Trump’s advisers.

BBC and then McClatchy revealed the existence of a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government.

The continuing investigation again puts the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, in the middle of a politically fraught investigation.

Democrats have sharply criticized Mr. Comey’s handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.

Mrs. Clinton has said his decision to reveal the existence of new emails late in the campaign cost her the election.

The F.B.I. investigation into Mr. Manafort began last spring, and was an outgrowth of a criminal investigation into his work for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine and for the country’s former president, Viktor F. Yanukovych.

In August, The Times reported that Mr. Manafort’s name had surfaced in a secret ledger that showed he had been paid millions in undisclosed cash payments.

The Associated Press has reported that his work for Ukraine included a secret lobbying effort in Washington aimed at influencing American news organizations and government officials.

Mr. Stone, a longtime friend of Mr. Trump’s, said in a speech in Florida last summer that he had communicated with Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy group that published the hacked Democratic emails.

During the speech, Mr. Stone predicted further leaks of documents, a prediction that came true within weeks.

In a brief interview on Thursday, Mr. Stone said he had never visited Russia and had no Russian clients.

He said that he had worked in Ukraine for a pro-Western party, but that any assertion that he had ties to Russian intelligence was “nonsense” and “totally false.”

“The whole thing is a canard,” he said. “I have no Russian influences.”

The Senate intelligence committee has started its own investigation into Russia’s purported attempts to disrupt the election. The committee’s inquiry is broad, and will include an examination of
Russian hacking and possible ties between people associated with Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russia.

Investigators are also scrutinizing people on the periphery of Mr. Trump’s campaign, such as Mr. Page, a former Merrill Lynch banker who founded Global Energy Capital, an investment firm in New York that has done business with Russia.

In an interview on Thursday, Mr. Page expressed bewilderment about why he might be under investigation. He blamed a smear campaign — that he said was orchestrated by Mrs. Clinton — for media speculation about the nature of his ties to Russia.

“I did nothing wrong, for the 5,000th time,” he said.

His adversaries, he added, are “pulling a page out of the Watergate playbook.”

The lingering investigations will pose a test for Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, who has been nominated for attorney general.

If Mr. Sessions is confirmed, he will for a time be the only person in the government authorized to seek foreign intelligence wiretaps on American soil.

Mr. Sessions said at his confirmation hearing that he would recuse himself from any investigations involving Mrs. Clinton. He was not asked whether he would do so in cases involving associates of Mr. Trump.

Cannonpointer » 26 Mar 2017 1:15 pm » wrote:I'm trying to get a handle on this ****, and determine if the media is faking it. Listening to clem is going the opposite direction of reality.

Termin8tor » 26 Mar 2017 2:28 pm » wrote:Yadda, yadda, yadda.....

Termin8tor » 26 Mar 2017 2:28 pm » wrote:What shows up in the corrupt MSM usually is the opposite of reality, psycho.

Misty » 26 Mar 2017 1:13 pm » wrote: If you mean the leak of Michael Flynn's name, yes.
But Clem is making a lot more accusations than that.
And he who is constantly whining about there being no evidence against Trump Co. has provided no evidence for that claim.

Misty » 26 Mar 2017 2:31 pm » wrote: Hey jackass get busy and answer my last post.
Show me where in that NY Times article that you keep babbling about it says that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

Misty » 26 Mar 2017 2:31 pm » wrote: So why did you cite the NY Times?

Termin8tor » 26 Mar 2017 2:26 pm » wrote:
More bulls*** from a lying psychotic.

Il likely cite 100 times the sources you do.

Tell us again how there are no facts in opinion pieces. That's so freaking psychotic.

Termin8tor[/url][url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]» 06 Aug 2015 6:33 pm » wrote:Not even liberal pundits are so stupid as to claim

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 15 Oct 2015 3:50 pm » wrote:I'm recalling from memory, wackjob, andgiven that it was decades ago ...I'm likely correct.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 15 Jun 2015 9:16 am » wrote:I've for many, many, many years cited sources to back up my claims.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 15 Oct 2015 4:46 pm » wrote:Reality isn't determined by a link, Dim.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 04 Jun 2015 2:39 pm » wrote:Anyone with the slightest knowledge of history knows

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 23 Sep 2015 8:45 am » wrote:Anyone with eyes knows

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 12 May 2015 6:50 pm » wrote: Gosh, who should we believe, the babbling, lying psychotic? Or the best minds on Economics and history?

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 13 Nov 2015 2:24 pm » wrote:Anyone who lived through that era or has read extensively about it knows

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 07 May 2015 10:54 am » wrote:Only a psychotic would deny

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 21 Oct 2015 9:06 am » wrote:No honest person would claim

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 13 Oct 2015 8:57 pm » wrote:I bring more sources to the board than perhaps anyone. I have proved almost every claim I've made.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 10 Oct 2015 5:34 pm » wrote:Anyone who's followed politics knows that.

Termin8tor » 17 Mar 2017 10:37 am » wrote:I cite likely 50 times the sources you do, psycho.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 04 Nov 2015 10:48 am » wrote:Only a leftist liar would call a hugely successful developer like Trump a "nutjob."

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 07 May 2015 10:07 am » wrote:No one except a fringe leftist/and or psychotic would claim

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 05 Jan 2015 8:58 am » wrote:That's widely acknowledged by mainstream sources.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 03 Sep 2015 2:03 pm » wrote:I'll bet blind

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 18 Jul 2015 5:59 am » wrote:...the moonbat who denies the widely accepted fact

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 18 Oct 2015 1:10 pm » wrote:from what I understand. Babbling psychotic imbecile.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 25 Sep 2014 10:52 am » wrote:...admit obvious, widely accepted reality.

[url=http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=541870#p541870]Termin8tor[/url] » 27 Aug 2015 12:54pm » wrote:Blah, blah, blah, the endless bleating of a lying psychotic.

Cannonpointer » 26 Mar 2017 2:36 pm » wrote:There are your "sources," clown:

Wackjob.