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Misty » 26 Mar 2017 10:56 pm » wrote: Check the dictionary jackass.
Proof is a synonym for the word evidence, so how is that a weasel word?

And I never said I did.
You just admitted that in your last post.

You're not even playing with half a deck any more, are you?

Misty » 26 Mar 2017 10:56 pm » wrote:Oh, why didn't you say so?
If they said it on FOX, it must be true.


A source on FOX also said that the British helped Obama wiretap Trump's phones.
That source just got fired.

About ten days ago, Nunes said there was evidence that the intelligence community had surveilled Trump’s transition team and possibly the president-elect during the transition after the November election. He said he was aware of about a dozen incidents where that occurred and that those incidents included the “unmasking” of peoples’ names.
https://spectator.org/spy-vs-spy-vs-trump/

Misty » 26 Mar 2017 4:52 pm » wrote: My 'drip, drip drip ****' as you call it is mainly about Trump associates ties to the Russians.
It seems that every day we learn of another Trump associate who has business/financial ties to Russia or has visited Russia.

People like Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Wilbur Ross, Rex Tillerson and now even Devin Nunes all have or had financial ties to Russia.
That is what I have been writing about.
But in your usual manner you are distorting what I have been focusing on to fit your lying narrative.

Are you denying that many Trump associates have ties to the Russians and have traveled to Russia?

Carter Page to Nunes and Schiff: Let Me Testify
JEFFREY LORD
....Subject: Leakers, liars and reported illegitimate surveillance in response to false evidence
Dear Congressman Nunes and Congressman Schiff:
I greatly appreciated the important hearings you began on Monday and was further encouraged by the request from Chairman Nunes that anyone who has information about relevant topics come forward and speak to the House Intelligence Committee.1 I would eagerly welcome the chance to speak with the Committee to help finally set the record straight following the false evidence, illegal activities as well as other lies distributed by certain politically-motivated suspects in coordination with the Obama Administration, which defamed me and other Americans.
https://spectator.org/carter-page-to-nu ... e-testify/

Democrats introduce 'MAR-A-LAGO' Act to force Trump to provide visitor logs.

Democrats are giving Donald Trump a transparency gut check in the form of a new bill with a mouthful of a name — and an acronym that takes an unsubtle dig at the president.

The "Making Access Records Available to Lead American Government Openness Act" — or MAR-A-LAGO Act — would require the Trump administration to disclose the names of anyone who visits the White House or "any other location at which the President or the Vice President regularly conducts official business."

The legislation, introduced in the House and Senate on Friday, calls for the creation of a publicly available database to be updated every 90 days.

Democrats say the move is necessary after a Whitehouse.gov page featuring visitor access records has said "this page is being updated" ever since Trump took office — and remains unchanged.

In addition, they want the public to know who has been visiting Trump's private club in Florida, known as Mar-a-Lago — the namesake of the bill — because he conducts presidential business there.

"He basically moved the office of the presidency," said Richard Painter, the former ethics czar for the George W. Bush administration and vice chair of the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW.

"Under those circumstances, in which taxpayers are paying for you to do government work and for your Secret Service protection, they're entitled to know what private parties are moving in and out of there."

CREW introduced the concept of a publicly accessible White House visitor log in 2009, when they sued the Obama administration to create one.

The last White House maintained those logs for the next seven years, jotting down the names of more than 6 million visitors.

According to a CREW spokesman, the organization is currently weighing its options for an administration still in its infancy, as the logs are "a key component of government transparency."

But Trump has shown no indication that he plans to continue the practice in either Washington, D.C., or at Mar-a-Lago — dubbed his "Winter White House" — a place where anyone can gain access with the purchase of a $200,000 membership fee.

Trump has used the Florida country club to meet with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, members of his cabinet and other leaders at a premium cost to taxpayers.

A senior White House official told NBC News that Trump plans to host Chinese President Xi Jinping at the club next month.

But under current rules, he wouldn't have to disclose that.

"If the Trump administration isn't going to continue a practice that was widely lauded by leaders across the political spectrum, Congress should mandate disclosure to guarantee public access to the visitor log records," said John Wonderlich, executive director of the Sunlight Foundation, a government transparency watchdog group.

And mandating disclosure is what the MAR-A-LAGO Act intends to do, say the Democrats who introduced it: Sens. Tom Udall of New Mexico, Tom Carper of Delaware, and Sheldon Whitehouse and Jack Reed, both of Rhode Island, as well as Rep. Mike Quigley of Illinois.

Earlier this month, the four senators and other Democratic colleagues wrote an official letter to the president demanding the publication of the visitor logs.

In February, Udall and Whitehouse also inquired about who was buying access to Trump through the purchase of a Mar-a-Lago membership.

But there's been no response from the White House, they say.

A White House spokeswoman and the National Republican Senatorial Committee did not immediately respond to requests for comment about the bill.

"The American people need to know who has access to the White House if we're going to 'drain the swamp'.

So far, all we've seen from the President is murk," Whitehouse said in a statement.

"His Administration has stonewalled congressional requests for information about his advisors and appointees' conflicts of interest."

Termin8tor » 27 Mar 2017 9:15 am » wrote:Oh my gosh, someone visited Russia? My father visited Russia, so he must be part of this conspiracy too!

Carter Page to Nunes and Schiff: Let Me Testify
JEFFREY LORD
....Subject: Leakers, liars and reported illegitimate surveillance in response to false evidence
Dear Congressman Nunes and Congressman Schiff:
I greatly appreciated the important hearings you began on Monday and was further encouraged by the request from Chairman Nunes that anyone who has information about relevant topics come forward and speak to the House Intelligence Committee.1 I would eagerly welcome the chance to speak with the Committee to help finally set the record straight following the false evidence, illegal activities as well as other lies distributed by certain politically-motivated suspects in coordination with the Obama Administration, which defamed me and other Americans.
https://spectator.org/carter-page-to-nu ... e-testify/

Termin8tor » 27 Mar 2017 9:02 am » wrote:No, Dim, evidence and proof are not synonymous.

Senate Committee to Question Jared Kushner Over Meetings With Russians

Senate investigators plan to question Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and a close adviser, as part of their broad inquiry into ties between Trump associates and Russian officials or others linked to the Kremlin, according to administration and congressional officials.

The White House Counsel’s Office was informed this month that the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, wanted to question Mr. Kushner about meetings he arranged with the Russian ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, according to the government officials.

The meetings included a previously unreported sit-down with the head of Russia’s state-owned development bank.

Until now, the White House had acknowledged only an early December meeting between Mr. Kislyak and Mr. Kushner, which occurred at Trump Tower and was also attended by Michael T. Flynn, who would briefly serve as the national security adviser.

Later that month, though, Mr. Kislyak requested a second meeting, which Mr. Kushner asked a deputy to attend in his stead, officials said.

At Mr. Kislyak’s request, Mr. Kushner later met with Sergey N. Gorkov, the chief of Vnesheconombank, which drew sanctions from the Obama administration after President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia annexed Crimea and began meddling in Ukraine.

A White House spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, confirmed those meetings, saying in an interview that nothing of consequence was discussed and that they went nowhere.

Mr. Gorkov, who previously served as deputy chairman of the board at Sberbank, Russia’s largest state-owned bank, could not be reached for comment.

Misty » 27 Mar 2017 11:01 am » wrote:
You're even more ignorant than I thought.



http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/evidence

Misty » 27 Mar 2017 10:55 am » wrote:
Jeffrey Lord is a riot on CNN.
He's a huge Trump bootlicker.

Misty » 27 Mar 2017 11:55 am » wrote:Senate Committee to Question Jared Kushner Over Meetings With Russians

Trump’s boyhood home fetches premium from mystery buyer.



President Donald Trump’s boyhood home in Queens has sold for $2.14 million, a 54 percent jump from its sale price in December and a premium for the neighborhood.

The buyer took title to the house under the name Trump Birth House LLC.

The 2,000-square-foot house was flipped by a real estate speculator, Michael J. Davis of Wareham Holdings LLC, who paid $1.39 million for the Jamaica Estates property before Trump was inaugurated.

Davis made a 50 percent profit on the deal, according to Paramount Realty USA, the company that sold the house at auction.

“This property is so much more than just real estate,” Paramount’s Misha Haghani said. “Special properties are appropriately sold by auction, just like art is.

As they say, beauty is truly in the eyes of the beholder.”

While on the campaign trail, the president had expressed an interest in buying his old home, which was built by his father, Fred Trump, in 1940.

“I want to buy it,” Trump told Jimmy Fallon. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on last week's sale.

Termin8tor » 27 Mar 2017 11:58 am » wrote:Well let's apply a little common sense. Every prosecutor presents evidence in a trial.

If "evidence" is the exact synonym as proof, then EVERY defendant will be found guilty, because every prosecutor has presented "proof."

Is that what you're claiming, Dim?

You're dumber than a freaking rock.

Misty » 27 Mar 2017 12:30 pm » wrote:Clem arguing with a Thesaurus.



Just admit you were wrong jackass.

Misty » 27 Mar 2017 12:30 pm » wrote:
Clem arguing with a Thesaurus.



Just admit you were wrong jackass.

Huey » 27 Mar 2017 12:11 pm » wrote:Only cowards use peanut gallery

Termin8tor » 27 Mar 2017 12:35 pm » wrote:Look at your own source, Dim.
"Tends to prove or disprove."
Here's a hint. "Proof" is just that.
Evidence might or might not prove something.

Misty » 27 Mar 2017 12:50 pm » wrote: Why did you cherry pick that one phrase and ignore the last word in #1 which is 'proof?'

Or the part of #3 that says 'data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue?

Termin8tor » 27 Mar 2017 12:54 pm » wrote:If "evidence" is the exact synonym as proof, then EVERY defendant will be found guilty, because according to you, every prosecutor has presented "proof."