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Misty » 04 Apr 2017 6:12 pm » wrote: Charles Jay "Charlie" Sykes is an American political commentator.
From 1993 to 2016, Sykes hosted a conservative talk show on WTMJ in Milwaukee.
He is also the editor of Right Wisconsin, which he co-owns with WTMJ's parent company E. W. Scripps. Wikipedia

Newsflash jackass, just because you don't agree with him, doesn't mean he's not a Conservative.
My bad. I was wrong.
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Misty » 04 Apr 2017 6:30 pm » wrote: WOW!
You've wrapped up the whole case already.

LOCK HER UP!
LOCK HER UP!

Since you know exactly what happened, whose names did she leak?
And who else is part of the criminal conspiracy?
Must be a whole lot of people.

LOCK THEM UP!
LOCK THEM UP!
Unlike you, my allegations are supported by the fact that felonies have been committed. Many details remain to be discovered.

As I have noted many times, I don't want anyone locked up without trial and conviction.

And obviously we do not know all names of those involved.

But it's highly unlikely that members of the permanent intelligence community are going to commit felonies against a presidential candidate.

Meaning those felonies must have been committed by Obama officials.
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What does it mean when the president signs a bill behind closed doors with no signing ceremony and no press?
Trump signs repeal of U.S. broadband privacy rules.

U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday signed a repeal of Obama-era broadband privacy rules, the White House said, a victory for internet service providers and a blow to privacy advocates.

The signing, disclosed in White House statement late on Monday, follows strong criticism of the bill, which is a win for AT&T Inc, Comcast Corp and Verizon Communications Inc.
It means it's not very popular even with his own supporters.

Trump Supporters on Reddit Slam Internet Privacy Bill: ‘Pure Spying’

Even Trump Voters Hate This Bill He Just Signed
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Termin8tor » 04 Apr 2017 7:28 pm » wrote:Unlike you, my allegations are supported by the fact that felonies have been committed.
Other than the leaking of Flynn's name, what felonies have been committed?
Termin8tor » 04 Apr 2017 7:28 pm » wrote:As I have noted many times, I don't want anyone locked up without trial and conviction.
And obviously we do not know all names of those involved.
But it's highly unlikely that members of the permanent intelligence community are going to commit felonies against a presidential candidate.
Meaning those felonies must have been committed by Obama officials.
Those two sentences in bold print seem to totally contradict each other.

How hypocritical are you always running around bleating about how there's NO EVIDENCE that Trump or his officials did anything wrong.

Yet you have pronounced Obama guilty of committing felonies based on a bunch of opinion pieces.

To paraphrase a saying from Bill Maher: You don't know for a fact that Obama committed any felonies, you just know that it's true.
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Cannonpointer » 04 Apr 2017 7:08 pm » wrote:Um, the ones against unmasking for kicks?
The unmaskign is the only known crime. Funny you would refer to the only known crime as a "diversion." I call it "the only known crime."
Unmasking is not a crime.
And it would be awfully hard to unmask 'for kicks' considering the process involved in unmasking a name.
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Termin8tor » 04 Apr 2017 7:24 pm » wrote:Look, a squirrel! :\
Why should I comment? There's nothing wrong with that, let alone illegal.
Little Miss Marxist wants to focus on anything except the felonies.
Why would Trump have needed to establish a back-channel line of communication with Moscow?
And why go all the way to the Seychelles Islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean?

That doesn't strike you as the least bit strange?
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Misty » 04 Apr 2017 10:46 pm » wrote: Unmasking is not a crime.
And it would be awfully hard to unmask 'for kicks' considering the process involved in unmasking a name.
Making an unmasking public is a crime - don't quibble over shorthand.

It was easy for obi's boy to make that public "for kicks."
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Rachel Maddow reminded me tonight of who Joseph diGenova is.
He was obsessed with the Monica Lewinsky affair and spent many hours on TV talking about it.

Last year he said that Hillary Clinton would not be able to continue her campaign because she would be indicted within 60 days.

DiGenova has a long history of misinformation and unprofessional conduct.
Joseph DiGenova Is A Discredited Republican Activist Who Pushed False Benghazi Claims And Suffered Criticism For Unprofessional Conduct

DiGenova Falsely Claimed Members Of The Military Were "Relieved Of Their Duty Because They Insisted That There Be A Military Response" To Benghazi Attacks.

On October 28, 2013, diGenova claimed on WMAL that some members of the military were "relieved of their duty because they insisted that there be a military response" the night of the September 2012 Benghazi attacks, despite the fact that a military response was ordered by then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta.

These military forces included a Marine anti-terrorism team deployed from Spain and special operations forces that were stationed in Croatia and the United States, but they did not arrive until after the attacks were over. [Media Matters, 10/29/13; Media Matters, 10/28/13]

DiGenova Baselessly Alleged That Obama Administration Tried To Cover Up Theft Of Hundreds Of Surface-To-Air Missiles In Benghazi.

In October 2013, diGenova claimed on WMAL that the Obama administration was trying to cover up the theft of 400 surface-to-air missiles that were somehow linked to the American presence in Benghazi.

While diGenova told WMAL that he didn't whether the missiles were physically at the CIA annex the night of the attack, "it is clear that the annex was somehow involved in the process of the distribution of those missiles."

DiGenova did not name his sources for this claim, acknowledged that some of his information is not "verifiable," and provided no evidence to back up the allegation. [Media Matters, 8/13/13; CNS News, 8/13/13]

DiGenova Has Been Criticized By Lawmaker For "Non-Stop Mugging" For The Press And For Lacking "Impartiality, Non-Partisanship, And Professionalism."

In 1998, Joseph DiGenova and his wife and legal partner Victoria Toensing, who were working as outside counsel for the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, were criticized for their actions in connection with the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

A February 5, 1998, Roll Call article "Rep. Bill Clay (D-Mo) launched a stinging attack on the two lead attorneys investigating the Teamsters campaign finance scandal yesterday, alleging that the attorneys have lost their objectivity because of their frequent television appearances and 'participation' in the scandal involving ex-White House intern Monica Lewinsky." The article also reported:
DiGenova Was Criticized For Conflict Of Interest Over Dual Role In Separate DOJ Investigations.

DiGenova and Toensing were criticized for serving as special counsel in the House Education and the Workforce Committee probe into Justice Department oversight of the Teamsters union while also representing Dan Burton, the committee's chairman at the time, in a separate Justice Department probe.

DiGenova Was Involved In Discredited And Retracted Article About President Clinton.

DiGenova and Toensing were involved in a retracted Dallas Morning News article claiming that a Secret Service agent had witnessed President Clinton and Lewinsky in a "compromising situation."
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Flashback to 1998 for Clem.

What game is Joe diGenova playing?
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Cannonpointer » 04 Apr 2017 10:59 pm » wrote:Making an unmasking public is a crime - don't quibble over shorthand.
It was easy for obi's boy to make that public "for kicks."
It's not shorthand.
Unmasking is not a crime.
The leaking of a unmasked name is.
Those are two completely different things.
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Cannonpointer » 04 Apr 2017 6:48 pm » wrote:There is nothing illegal or untoward in an incoming pResident looking for a back channel to a word leader - especially on with nukes.

It falls under the banner, "doing his **** job."
There is nothing wrong with an incoming president asking the State Dep't or the outgoing administration to help create those contacts, so why did it have to be back-channel?

Trump spoke to several world leaders during the transition.
Why the secrecy with just this one?
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Misty » 05 Apr 2017 12:44 am » wrote: There is nothing wrong with an incoming president asking the State Dep't or the outgoing administration to help create those contacts, so why did it have to be back-channel?

Trump spoke to several world leaders during the transition.
Why the secrecy with just this one?
1. tRump DID speak with putin - Nov. 15th. tRump and Putin, sitting in a tree

2. The outgoing administration was hostile - on the record - to the incoming. Obama had joked that tRump would never be pResident, and had stated many times that he was very confident the American people would not choose such an eminently unqualified leader. Many in Obama's inner circle, and their allies, had most adamantly avowed the same. Obama has since remained in Worshington to cause the next administration trouble. He spied on tRump, according to an underling who blurted that truth into the bubble. Any attempt tRump made to insulate himself from a political enemy is understandable. You're pretending that an anti-establishment candidate would just naturally trust the establishment candidate whose chosen successor he had bested - an invalid pretense on its face. It's implicitly preposterous.

3. Who SAYS he didn't back channel to other leaders? You? Are you going to be the first person ever to prove a negative?

4. Who says that Obama had a back channel to Putin that he was willing to share with tRump? Link?

5. Your objection still does not put any there there. There just isn't anything there - this **** is a housebound dog barking at wind.
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Misty » 05 Apr 2017 12:39 am » wrote: It's not shorthand.
Unmasking is not a crime.
The leaking of a unmasked name is.
Those are two completely different things.
Quibble. When you're done, a crime was committed against tRump - and that's all. Name a crime that tRump is even ALLEGED to have committed, and link me to the allegation.

All I see is fluff, from H.R. Puffinstuff - enough!

The flowering, glowering clouds
Shoulder boulders down!
They surround each other,
Brother on brother,
Making sounds! Gadzooks! Zounds!
Cloudy stuff, rainy and spayed,
Staid, stayed, and not quite made
Totally unassayed, arrayed
Upon each other
God's mother!
What an unfinished charade.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

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You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not a friend

An opinion you won't defend is not your own

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When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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Misty » 04 Apr 2017 10:36 pm » wrote: Other than the leaking of Flynn's name, what felonies have been committed?

Those two sentences in bold print seem to totally contradict each other.

How hypocritical are you always running around bleating about how there's NO EVIDENCE that Trump or his officials did anything wrong.

Yet you have pronounced Obama guilty of committing felonies based on a bunch of opinion pieces.

To paraphrase a saying from Bill Maher: You don't know for a fact that Obama committed any felonies, you just know that it's true.
are you blind, Dim, or just playing stupid. If Obama officials didn't commit felonies by illegally leaking, then who did, the permanent intelligence community?


Is that what you are alleging? Because it's a binary choice.

Susan Rice reports directly to the president. Are you saying that The Chosen One didn't sign off on months of unmasking of Trump officials?

Are you saying he was that ignorant and incompetent?

I think it likely that Obama knew about this criminal conspiracy and intended it, and I have stronger induirect evidence of that than you do of any criminal wrongdoing by Trump or his associates.
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Misty » 05 Apr 2017 12:44 am » wrote:There is nothing wrong with an incoming president asking the State Dep't or the outgoing administration to help create those contacts, so why did it have to be back-channel?
Because that's often the way diplomacy works with unfriendly nations.

Kissinger conducted years of secret talks with the Chinese before Nixon's huge historic breakthrough.

And not that reality ever gets in your way, Trump is highly suspicious of the State Dept, so of course he'd bypass it.
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Misty » 04 Apr 2017 10:46 pm » wrote: Unmasking is not a crime.
And it would be awfully hard to unmask 'for kicks' considering the process involved in unmasking a name.
I quoted a source saying that it was unprecedented that White House officials would have access to unmasked names. Other sources have said they never, EVER saw them.

Yet Rice requested dozens of times that the names be unmasked, and Nunes has said he can see no legitimate reason for that to have been done.

Rice has been caught denying that she knew anything about unmasking. :rofl: :rofl:

That is likely to be a criminal conspiracy.
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Misty » 04 Apr 2017 10:51 pm » wrote: Why would Trump have needed to establish a back-channel line of communication with Moscow?
And why go all the way to the Seychelles Islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean?

That doesn't strike you as the least bit strange?
I saw one informed person say it wasn't, but I personally do.

I support an investigation as is happening, and I'm skeptical that much will come of it.

Trouble is, you've thrown so many wild accusations and falsehoods out, you've poisoned the waters, and one single strange meeting doesn't mean an awful lot.
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Misty » 04 Apr 2017 11:17 pm » wrote:Rachel Maddow reminded me tonight of who Joseph diGenova is.
He was obsessed with the Monica Lewinsky affair and spent many hours on TV talking about it.

Last year he said that Hillary Clinton would not be able to continue her campaign because she would be indicted within 60 days.

DiGenova has a long history of misinformation and unprofessional conduct.
No, from what I recall, he said as did many that she might well be indicted as many credible conservatives predicted. Do you have a direct quote from him?

No? Then you're probably lying.

And given Comey's admission that she was "extremely careless" with classified materials, she should have been.

If "extremely careless" doesn't mean what the law said, nothing does.

And citing MediaMutters? That deceitful hack website? You might as well cite Bill Clinton as a source, or Susan Rice. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Misty » 05 Apr 2017 12:39 am » wrote: Unmasking is not a crime.
The leaking of a unmasked name is.
Those are two completely different things.
If unmasking is done for political purposes with the intent that classified information be leaked, it absolutely is a crime; a criminal conspiracy. Combined with her spreading that intelligence widely throughout the intelligence community, backed up by Farkas' stunning admission, that' makes a very powerful dunk case.

This was a huge abuse of power, one of many when Obama was president.
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Misty » 04 Apr 2017 10:51 pm » wrote:Why would Trump have needed to establish a back-channel line of communication with Moscow?
And why go all the way to the Seychelles Islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean?

That doesn't strike you as the least bit strange?
Oh my! Obviously a Trump official was involved in felonies and impeachable acts and perverted sex as well! :o

With animals, even! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Here's your smoking gun, Dim.
Now, why in the world would soon-to-be President Donald Trump want to know where Vladamir Putin’s head is at regarding untangling from Iran? This “explosive” report from the Washington Post describes a Seychelles meeting set up between a Trump ally and Putin people:

The United Arab Emirates arranged a secret meeting in January between Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a Russian close to President Vladi­mir Putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials.


The meeting took place around Jan. 11 — nine days before Trump’s inauguration — in the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean, officials said. Though the full agenda remains unclear, the UAE agreed to broker the meeting in part to explore whether Russia could be persuaded to curtail its relationship with Iran, including in Syria, a Trump administration objective that would likely require major concessions to Moscow on U.S. sanctions. [Emphasis added.]

So Donald Trump wants Russia to get out of Syria and stop palling around with Iran and wants to see what it’d take to make that happen? That sounds like a good thing, right?
Why are people crowing about a “smoking gun” here?
https://spectator.org/trumps-putin-back-channel/
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