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Congress is asking DHS to explain why they expend 3,500 rounds of ammunition a year vs. 350 for most Soldiers. They're buying ammunition in bulk. Not sure I subscribe to a conspiracy theory, but it does beg the question of why they need so much ammunition. Are they fighting some kind of domestic war we don't know about? Don't read into that, I'm just trying to understand why they need so much training ammunition when the military, whose job is to defeat enemies foreign and domestic, does not.This is their explanation:Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.Link

Just Four Lawmakers Show Up To Congressional Hearing On Long-Term UnemploymentWhen a hearing to explore how to get the long-term unemployed back to work kicked off on Wednesday morning, only one lawmaker was in attendance. That was Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who was holding the hearing in her role as the vice chair of the Joint Economic Committee. The Joint Economic Commitee is one of a handful of committees whose members come from both parties and both houses of Congress. Klobuchar was eventually joined by three colleagues (in order of their appearance): Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy, Maryland Rep. John Delaney and Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings. All four are Democrats.Not one single Republican even bothered to show their face.

As Bangladesh Death Toll Exceeds 300, Major U.S. Retailers Refuse To Implement Safety StandardsThe Bangladeshi garment factory whose collapse has cost 300 lives and counting never gained approval from the local development authority. In the days leading up to the collapse, with the building exhibiting deep cracks, police ordered owners to evacuate the building and workers fled to the streets. But the buildings owner told reporters the cracks were "nothing serious" and stood outside the building with a megaphone, reportedly warning workers they would be docked pay if they didn't return to work.The fire is one of a spate of incidents at Bangladeshi garment factories in recent months that have led to deaths and injuries. But even after a fire in November that killed 112 workers, clothing brands and retailers that include Wal-Mart, Gap, and H&M refused to implement a new union-proposed safety plan. The Associated Press reports:The plan would ditch government inspections, which are infrequent and easily subverted by corruption, and establish an independent inspectorate to oversee all factories in Bangladesh, with powers to shut down unsafe facilities as part of a legally binding contract signed by suppliers, customers and unions. The inspections would be funded by contributions from the companies of up to $500,000 per year.The proposal was presented at a 2011 meeting in Dhaka attended by more than a dozen of the worlds largest clothing brands and retailers including Wal-Mart, Gap and Swedish clothing giant H&M but was rejected by the companies because it would be legally binding and costly.At the time, Wal-Marts representative told the meeting it was "not financially feasible ... to make such investments," according to minutes of the meeting obtained by The Associated Press.After last year's Tazreen blaze, Bangladeshi union president Amin said he and international labor activists renewed a push for the independent inspectorate plan, but none of the factories or big brands would agree.This week, none of the large clothing brands or retailers would comment about the proposal.Over the past several years, corporations have touted their in-house social responsibility programs as an alternative to binding agreements on working conditions, but these self-monitoring programs implement measures that are neither sufficient to fill huge regulatory gaps in an industry with 3 million workers, nor transparent enough to ensure compliance.Retailers reap extraordinary savings from siting their garment factories in countries like Bangladesh, with miniscule wages and little compliance expense, casting doubt on their claims that stepped up oversight is not "financially feasible." Some 100 years ago, a New York garment factory fire in which some 150 young women and teens jumped to their deaths sparked labor reform in the United States. But mega-corporations continue to skirt those reforms by simply moving to new and less developed countries without regulations, which poses particular hazards in the labor-intensive textile industry. In part, these clothiers are responding to U.S. demand for cheap clothing in a culture built on "fast fashion." At the turn of the century, the average affordable clothing item cost around $8, or $380 adjusted for inflation, and by 1929, most women still only owned nine work outfits. Today, most Americans expect to own much more for much less.UPDATE: Bangladeshi authorities arrested eight people, including two factory owners, in response to the collapse. Thousands of workers have also taken to the streets to protest unsafe working conditions.$500,000 year is a drop in the bucket for Walmart and these other companies, but it's not not 'financially feasible to make such investments'.Over 412 workers killed since November.....but their lives were not worth the investment.

I find it very interesting, Chris, that you had NO IDEA who spayandneuterlibs was, and then when confronted with the identical IP, he suddenly turned out to be your "cousin."SpayAndNeuterLibs is now Julia? Did he have a sex change operation?Mods shouldn't accuse, but rather ask, unless they are sure, and should apologize once it becomes apparent they're mistaken.I ran an IP check on Julia the first time I saw her, but didn't say anything because it was obvious she wasn't spayandneuterlibs. I didn't even have to ask.Cannon jumped on the wrong bandwagon this time.Julia does seem more intelligent than Spay. Edited by MistyBlue, 04 April 2011 - 01:22 PM.

(Giant Mushroom Pic.)That's a big mushroom....LOLSage had a few too many last night. She didn't quite make it to her bed.

The country faces certain economic systemic collapse from permanent $1.5 trillion deficits, the real unemployment rate is roughly 11%, yet this moonbat brings up a fire that happened 100 years ago?Says the man who constantly drags up his old threads.This is why it's relevant today, Puss.The 146 lives lost in the fire ignited a passion for worker safety laws and indirectly led to the creation of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Yet a century later, the laws that could have saved lives had they been in place on March 25, 1911, are being threatened by budget cuts proposed by a Republican-controlled Congress.Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Even teacher comes in here preaching neocon pabulum right down the line while insisting he is a "hunch-backed libertarian," or some such nonsense.I'm glad you said that. It reminded me of this video I was meaning to post.Rachel Maddow shatters the myth of 'small (leave-me-alone) government/Libertarian' Conservatism.Transcript:Maddow: ...we start tonight with conservatism, with what the word conservative means in America now. The choice the conservative movement and the Republican Party have to make between being authoritarian conservatives or libertarian conservatives.Do American conservatives favor big, intrusive government, or do they favor small, leave-me-alone government? If you ask them, if you ask just about anybody that identifies as a conservative, nobody ever says they are on this side, right? Nobody calls themselves an authoritarian anything, let alone an authoritarian conservative.Nobody says, Im for big, intrusive government, vote for me. They always say they are on this side, right? They are all on the libertarian side, according to them.No matter what kind of policies they actually like, they all say they are for smaller government, limited government, personal freedom. That is that is the conservative brand, right?(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)GOV. MITCH DANIELS [R], INDIANA: The commitment to limited government and individual liberty and freedom in this country.UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Strong on conservative, limited government.REP. BOBBY SCHILLING [R], ILLINOIS: Do I believe in smaller limited government giving power back to the people? Yes.REP. PAUL RYAN [R], WISCONSIN: The importance of limited government and with the blessing of self government. But the pursuit of happiness depends on individual liberty, and individual liberty requires limited government. Renewed commitment to limited government. We need to reclaim our American system of limited government.SEN. RON JOHNSON [R], WISCONSIN: Their vision of limited government is what has made America the greatest nation in the history of mankind.SEN. JOHN THUNE [R], SOUTH DAKOTA: Because of my upbringing, I believe in things like limited government.MITT ROMNEY [R], FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Limited government.SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MINORITY LEADER: We stand firm. We stand for limited government.RYAN: We cannot take for granted the case for limited government and individual freedom.(END VIDEO CLIPS)MADDOW: Pretty clear, right? Limited government, restrained government, humble governmenttiny, tiny, tiny government. That is what they are selling. American conservativesgovernment that leaves you alone. Thats the brand.The new Republican governor of Florida is a man named Rick Scott. Rick Scott just issued an executive order that will mandate forced drug testing of public sector workers in that state at least quarterly, at least quarterly. When Governor Scott became governor, he transferred to his wife his controlling shares in a for-profit company that does drug testing. He says that has nothing to do with this executive order, he just likes the idea of the government forcing drug tests on people it can force drug tests on.There is a Fourth Amendment protection we have in this country against unreasonable search and seizure, and that has generally banned blanket invasive drug testing like this. Youre supposed to only be able to do it if, for example, there are grounds for suspicion, or in the case of very specific kinds of jobs. But Rick Scott, despite those legal restrictions on doing what he wants to do, hes going for it anyway. Hes at least going to try. The state will pay the cost of defending his mandatory drug testing policy in court.The state, of course, will pay what is expected to be the spectacular cost of drug testing, tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people quarterly at least, and Florida already has a really bad budget deficit. But, you know, any cost is apparently worth it, because under Rick Scott, his state government wants mass forcible drug tests, and so, it shall have them.Is that small, leave-me-alone government, or is that big, intrusive government?In the great state of Michigan, the new Republican governor there is a man named Rick Snyder. Rick Snyders signature legislation since he has been governor is to establish whats being called financial martial law, or fiscal martial law. His administration will decide if your town is in a financial emergency.If the Snyder administration so declares, if they declare a financial emergency in your town, a financial emergency czar will be appointed, not elected by you, but appointed, sent to your town, given the power to abolish your town. The town can be dissolved on the say so of the governors financial emergency person. Anyone you elected locally to represent you can be dismissed. All contracts, all unions, all rights of people who worked for that town can be dissolved on one persons say so if Governor Rick Snyder gives the nod. He is taking that much power.Is that small, leave-me-alone government or is that big, intrusive government?In The Interview tonight, we will be talking with the secretary of state of the great state of Wisconsin, where there has been national attention to Wisconsin Republicans stripping peoples rights and ability to join unions. Your freedom to associate in this country is guaranteed by the Constitution, your freedom to join a union if you want to. But to the extent that the government can be used to limit that right of yours, Republicans in Wisconsin and in Ohio and in Indiana and in New Hampshire and in Florida and in Tennessee and in Oklahoma and in Nebraska, Republican governors and legislators in all these states all over the country are stretching the power of government to try to end that right of yours.A history professor at the University of Wisconsin published a long study guide online earlier this month, looking at what might explain this policy push not just in Wisconsin but in all these other states, all at once. The professors name is William Cronon.And he is not only not a liberal activist, hes also really no shlub. He is president-elect of the American Historical Association. Hes a MacArthur genius award winner. Hes one of the most distinguished history professors in the United States of America.But after Professor Cronon wrote this academic piece online about conservative groups using model legislation to push certain policies in the state, the Republican Party of the state of Wisconsin filed an open records request demanding to read Professor Cronons e-mails, taking a law designed to make law transparent to the public and instead using it to force into the public e-mails written by a university professor whose academic writings put him on the wrong side of the Republican Party on an issue they feel quite sensitive about.You speak out, the government will use all the leverage it can muster over you to pry open your life.Small, leave-me-alone government or the other kind?We probably should have seen this thing coming. After the big Democratic wins in elections in 2006 and 2008, the pendulum swinging back to the Republican Party ever since has really been a swing back to a specific kind of conservatisma specific kind that is all about government that is as big and intrusive as possible.One of the first statewide elections after the big Democratic win in 2008 was the Virginia governors race, right? In November, 2009, Virginians elected a man who has said that, quote, Every level of government should statutorily and procedurally prefer married couples over cohabitators, homosexuals, or fornicators. Not only is that not leave-me-alone, small conservatism, that is big government crusade against the fornicators conservatism.And the administration of the man they elected, Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia, has been sort of like that. As with that professor in Wisconsin having the Republican Party demand his e-mails, in Virginia, it has been Governor McDonnells attorney general, Ken Cuccinelli, who has demanded to search e-mails of a Virginia science professor, a professor whose research on climate issues that apparently did not meet with government approval.Cant you just smell the freedom, the liberty, the humble, restrained government leaving people free to go about their business?The latest incarnation of this breed of conservatism weirdly involves this show or at least my last name.Evan McMorris-Santoro at Talking Points Memo turned up a new demand by the conservative movement, new demand by the right, to obtain the private e-mails of people to whom it is busy selling the idea that conservatives really want to just leave people alone. The labor studies faculty at the University of Michigan, at Wayne State University, and at Michigan State have all just had their e-mails demanded by a right wing think tank, specifically demanding to see any e-mail from any professor at the labor faculty at any of these schools, any e-mail that includes the words: Scott Walker, Wisconsin, Madison, or Maddow.It is possible they think that Maddow is just a common misspelling of Madison, but if thats not the casethey mean me, this show.The right wing group that is demanding any e-mails that include references to me or the show is called the Mackinac Center. They are a conservative group. They are funded mostly by secret donations, in that they do not disclose names of individuals or corporations who give them money. But they are well-funded and we know through tax records about donations to them by the charitable foundations of a lot of billionaires and corporations, frankly.Mother Jones did a nice piece explaining who these guys are, what we know about their funding from foundations like the one run by Charles Koch, of Koch brothers fame. Also, the Walton Foundation, thats the Walton family that runs Walmart. Also, the Edgar and Elsa Prince FoundationEdgar and Elsa Prince, I believe, are the mom and dad of Eric Prince, who you remember from Blackwater fame. All of those foundations fund the Mackinac Center.The Mackinac Center wrote what looks to be the basis of that financial martial law policy in Michigan, Michigan Republican Governor Rick Snyder. This show was the first national news outlet to report in detail on that policy. And now, the Mackinac Center is demanding the e-mails of anybody who could be an expert on that subject in Michigan that might have the that temerity to type the word Maddow in any context in an e-mail.Hows that leave-me-alone personal liberty thing working out for you?Americans like this idea. Americans like the idea of small-c, small government, leave-me-alone conservatism. This isthis is good political branding. This is a good sales pitch for any politician.The conservative movement and Republican Party have done very well for themselves selling this idea, small, leave-me-alone government, selling this idea to America.But, now, the country is figuring out that even though this is what they bought, this is not what they got when they took it home and unwrapped it.Wisconsin Republican Governor Scott Walker won in November by six points. The latest polls say if the election were held today, he would lose to that same Democrat by seven points.Ohio Republican Governor John Kasich won in November by two points. Today, he would lose to that same Democrat by 15 points.Florida Republican Governor Rick Scott won in November by one point. Today, he would lose to that same Democrat by 19 points.Michigan Republican Governor Rick Snyder won in November by a whopping 18 points. Today, he has swung 20 points in the other direction, and he would lose by two.Yes. But you say the big, intrusive government Republicans, they arent up for re-election right now. Democrats cant capitalize on the Republican big government overreach, can they?It turns out they can. And its in progress. Thats next.

Says the man who constantly drags up his old threads.This is why it's relevant today, Puss.Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.My threads are 100 years old?Say, do you know what a question mark is? Why did you dodge my point and my question?And speaking of the history, Obama and Dems are following most of the same policies that caused the Great Depression.The country faces certain economic systemic collapse from permanent $1.5 trillion deficits, the real unemployment rate is roughly 11%, yet this moonbat brings up a fire that happened 100 years ago?How are Obama and Dems going to balance the budget?Rachel Maddow shatters the myth of 'small (leave-me-alone) government/Libertarian' Conservatism.Is that moonbat again missing the forest for the tress?She finds a factoid or two here or there, but ignores the overwhelming evidence about almost any issue.And is she still lying that Repubs are engaging in a war "against the Middle Class?" No, it's against overpaid, thuggish public sector unions.

And speaking of the history, Obama and Dems are following most of the same policies that caused the Great Depression.What a bunch of partisan hogsnot. It's Republicans who are ushering in an other plutocracy like we had during the Gilded Age. Ever since Reagan weve been returning to the unregulated capitalism that we had during the plutocratic government of the Gilded Age. It ran completely amok under Bush/Cheney, which resulted is the worst recession since the Great Depression. Is that moonbat again missing the forest for the tress?She finds a factoid or two here or there, but ignores the overwhelming evidence about almost any issue.So you watch Maddow? Or is that what you've been told to say? ROFLWhy didn't you watch the video or read the transcript I posted? Maddow shattered the myth that Conservatives are for small, less intrusive government. That might be what they say, but that's not what they do. I have cited many examples of that in this very thread.And is she still lying that Repubs are engaging in a war "against the Middle Class?" No, it's against overpaid, thuggish public sector unions.Overpaid, thuggish public sector unions=Republican Talking Point Lie.The very thing you constantly accuse me of doing.

speaking of the history, Obama and Dems are following most of the same policies that caused the Great Depression.What a bunch of partisan hogsnot. It's Republicans who are ushering in an other plutocracy like we had during the Gilded Age. Ever since Reagan we've been returning to the unregulated capitalism that we had during the plutocratic government of the Gilded Age. It ran completely amok under Bush/Cheney, which resulted is the worst recession since the Great Depression. Pretty hilarious given how public employees unions have gotten near-rich funneling Other People's Money into their pockets and that Obama and Dems have send billions to their corporate buddies.That's more moonbat drivel and Democrat Talking Point Lies. Even Paul Krugman and most liberal historians have admitted that all Americans prospered under Reagan. The debate is over. You lost.Say, you once again managed to dodge my points and my question. Got an answer?We both know you don't.The country faces certain economic systemic collapse from permanent $1.5 trillion deficits, the real unemployment rate is roughly 11%, yet this moonbat brings up a fire that happened 100 years ago?public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gifHow are Obama and Dems going to balance the budget?Well? How would you balance the budget? Wow everyone with your knowledge of Economics.So you watch Maddow? Or is that what you've been told to say? ROFLWhy didn't you watch the video or read the transcript I posted? Maddow shattered the myth that Conservatives are for small, less intrusive government. That might be what they say, but that's not what they do.I have cited many examples of that in this very thread.Read my response. She's missing the forest for the trees, clueless moonbat that she is.She's a freaking joke.Overpaid, thuggish public sector unions=Republican Talking Point Lie.The very thing you constantly accuse me of doing. How Orwellian. the truth is a "lie."Wisconsin public employees are in the top 10% of income earners in the state, same pattern around the country.And their thuggishness has been on display for months now.

Interesting segment on 60 Minutes last night:Mortgage mess: Who really owns your mortgage?An epidemic of forged and missing mortgage documents.Do you know who really owns your mortgage? As Scott Pelley reports on "60 Minutes" this week, that question has become a nightmare for many homeowners since the invention of mortgage-backed securities. Yes, those were the exotic investments that sparked the financial collapse in this country. And the're still causing problems.As it turns out, Wall Street cut corners when it bundled homeowners' mortgages into securities that were traded from investor to investor. Now that banks are foreclosing on people, they're finding that the legal documents behind many mortgages are missing. So, what do the banks do? As Pelley explains in this video, some companies appear to be resorting to forgery and phony paperwork in what looks like a nationwide epidemic.Even if you're not at risk of foreclosure, there could be legal ramifications for a homeowner if the chain of title has been lost.Watch Scott Pelley's Report here.Banks actually used a company called DocX, who paid people $10 an hour to sit and sign phony names on phony mortgage documents.Financial institutions have been perpetrating massive, systemic fraud. When does someone go to jail? Edited by MistyBlue, 04 April 2011 - 03:39 PM.

Interesting segment on 60 Minutes last night:Oh look, a squirrel!As she dodges the most important question facing the country.The country faces certain economic systemic collapse from permanent $1.5 trillion deficits, the real unemployment rate is roughly 11%, yet this moonbat brings up a fire that happened 100 years ago?public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gifHow are Obama and Dems going to balance the budget?

Oh look, a squirrel!As she dodges the most important question facing the country.It's not a **** squirrel Puss. It's called fraud, and it's a crime.And it's also hindering the recovery of the housing market, as all these houses sit empty while this mess is sorted out.Bush's Wall Street buddies were so busy making money that they didn't even bother to keep track of the paper work for all these worthless mortgages that they were bundling up and peddling around the world as securities. So, what did they do? They just forged some new paperwork.But I'm sure you're okay with that, because you have a double standard of justice. One for Dems/Libs, and one for Repubs/Cons.What's a little fraud among friends, right?

It's not a bad word squirrel Puss. It's called fraud, and it's a crime.And it's also hindering the recovery of the housing market, as all these houses sit empty while this mess is sorted out.Bush's Wall Street buddies were so busy making money that they didn't even bother to keep track of the paper work for all these worthless mortgages that they were bundling up and peddling around the world as securities. So, what did they do? They just forged some new paperwork.But I'm sure you're okay with that, because you have a double standard of justice. One for Dems/Libs, and one for Repubs/Cons.Oh my, how sad. Little Miss Marxist is having the same vision problems that troll skeptic has.She can't see the most important issue facing the country, and it's not a few incidents of fraud by banks. She just doesn't have a Democrat Talking Point Lie to deal with it.The country faces certain economic systemic collapse from permanent $1.5 trillion deficits, the real unemployment rate is roughly 11%, yet this moonbat brings up a fire that happened 100 years ago?public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gifHow are Obama and Dems going to balance the budget?Rotsa ruck trying to run in 2012 avoiding that issue.Bush's Wall Street buddies.....Actually no, that's another Democrat Talking Point Lie. Most big banks and mortgage companies were in bed with Democrats. What's a little fraud among friends, right?Hey, what's the big deal about rape if you're a liberal Democrat?You never stopped lying to protect Clinton.

Finance, Insurance & Real Estate: BackgroundThe financial sector is far and away the largest source of campaign contributions to federal candidates and parties, with insurance companies, securities and investment firms, real estate interests and commercial banks providing the bulk of that money.The sector contributes generous sums to both parties, with Republicans traditionally collecting more than Democrats. Yet in the past two election cycles, bankers have suddenly shifted their cash toward Democrats. The sector gave at least 55 percent of their contributions to the GOP from 1996 to 2004, but actually gave a slight majority of their donations to Democrats in the 2008 cycle. This reversal may suggest an effort to remain influential as a Democratic-controlled White House and Congress consider new market regulations in response to the specter of economic decline.Despite the mortgage and banking crises of 2008, the financial sector still managed to donate $468.8 million to federal campaigns and candidates during the 2008 election cycle, an 80 percent increase during the two previous years.If the industries in this sector agree on anything, it is their opposition to taxes and regulation of hedge funds or financial instruments, such as derivatives. The nation’s largest banks and insurers cheered the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act that passed Congress in October of 2008 amid fears of a global economic meltdown, but have resisted additional government oversight of their balance sheets.During the Bush administration, several industries within the financial sector supported bankruptcy reform legislation and the unsuccessful drive to create private investment accounts in Social Security.Complementing those campaign contributions, the financial sector generously funds K Street. Historically, no other sector has spent as much on lobbying as these companies.--Aaron KiershUpdated July 2009http://www.opensecre...e=F &year=2010So, it appears they want the same policies that led to the financial meltdown.The same policies that "Clump and friends" support. LOL Clump was one of the most vocal supporters of the bailout, no surprise there. Does he get paid to grab his ankles for his corporate overlords? Or does he have a severe case of cognitive deficiency? You can lead a donkey to water, but you can't make it drink. Edited by Avenger_of_Justice, 04 April 2011 - 08:24 PM.

Clump was one of the most vocal supporters of the bailout, no surprise there. Does he get paid to grab his ankles for his corporate overlords?No he does it quite willingly for free.

Oh my, how sad. Little Miss Marxist is having the same vision problems that troll skeptic has.She can't see the most important issue facing the country, and it's not a few incidents of fraud by banks. She just doesn't have a Democrat Talking Point Lie to deal with it.OIC, so we are only allowed to talk about what you designate as the most important issue facing the country? When did that happen?Do you think that the Juanita Broaddrick rape allegation against Clinton is the most important issue facing the country, because you talk about that all the time? a few incidents of fraud by banksI'm not surprised that you would play this down.It was not a few incidents Puss.Had you bothered to watch the 60 Minutes video, you would have seen that, they actually had a document forging mill that hired people to forge documents for $10 an hour.Each person forged as many as 4,000 signatures a day.You automatically characterized it as just 'a few' incidents of fraud without even bothering to look at any of the evidence, preferring instead to stick to your right wing Op-Ed pieces, so you can live in La-La Land, where everyone agrees with you.I know you don't think that a Republican candidate for Governor should be disqualified for sending out just one animal porno, so exactly how many incidents of fraud by banks would you consider too many, Puss?

Do you think that the Juanita Broaddrick rape allegation against Clinton is the most important issue facing the country, because you talk about that all the time? HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABy the way, a quick glance at the topic reveals the priorities.MB is concerned about1) Right-wing radicals who would impose socially and religiously fascist policies and economic pain on the working class.2) Ensuring justice is meted to the financial crooks that produced the economic crisis of 2008.3) Exposing "behind-the-scene" attempts by politicians and lobbyists to weaken environmental and workplace regulations and to reduce accountability to the public. I don't know about you, but these are pretty important issues. I'd like to know, for instance, that in the future, the housing agreements I sign aren't fraudulent (forged by people paid $10 an hour...), and that potential environmental/safety hazards are greatly reduced. (Oh, and fascists who want to impose a corporate oligarchy on the rest of us - that's important too)RC is concerned about1) Allegations of "rape" and "BJ's" that Clinton supposedly forced upon certain women. (I know you're jealous of these women, but you don't have to bring it up)2) Hyping over the deficit, and his stupid solutions that I destroyed in this post. (Obviously deficits were not an issue during Reagan's and Bush's terms)3) Mocking media personalities like Rachel Maddow without actually refuting what she (they) said. Also, going into someone else's thread and attempting to change the topic because you have no answers doesn't make you look smart. It makes you look like a dumbphuck.Edit: Misty can you post a link and give me permission to use it - your last avatar? I couldn't help but laugh at it hysterically every time I saw you post. Thanks. Edited by Avenger_of_Justice, 04 April 2011 - 09:58 PM.

Yeah, like the Constitution and the Founding Principles, duuh.More like terrible working conditions, slave wages, and private mercenaries contractors hired by corporate dictators who root out opposition like the Gestapo...Speaking of corporate dictators, I discussed this point with MrSubtle like a year ago. An avid (and rather naive) Randian, he thinks that corporate heads shouldn't be called "dictators," because we all supposedly agree to our workplaces. Which brings me to the point - since most of us agree to live in our respective nation-states (most states do not impose travel restrictions, at least if you're leaving the territory), then Clump bitching about US federal policy is like an employee complaining about corporate policies. (Of course, you know he would never do that - he's too busy grabbing his ankles for them)I'd like this discrepancy explained. Any takers? Edited by Avenger_of_Justice, 04 April 2011 - 10:15 PM.

Oh my, how sad. Little Miss Marxist is having the same vision problems that troll skeptic has.public/style_emoticons/default/huh.gifShe can't see the most important issue facing the country, and it's not a few incidents of fraud by banks. She just doesn't have a Democrat Talking Point Lie to deal with it.OIC, so we are only allowed to talk about what you designate as the most important issue facing the country? When did that happen?"Only?" I haven't seen you address it at all, and as usual, you've stonewalled every single one of my questions.So how would you balance the budget? How would you avoid systemic economic collapse?And just as typically, you don't answer it this time either because you have no Democrat Talking Point Lie for it.Do you think that the Juanita Broaddrick rape allegation against Clinton is the most important issue facing the country, because you talk about that all the time? I discussed it as much as I thought its importance demanded, all the more so because you lied endlessly about it.Had you bothered to watch the 60 Minutes video, you would have seen that, they actually had a document forging mill that hired people to forge documents for $10 an hour.Each person forged as many as 4,000 signatures a day.If it's the issue I've read about, it wasn't fraud; just a shortcut in processing real mortgages. No one was defrauded. No one lost money because of it. It's a fake scandal.Just another "look, a squirrel" attempt to distract from the biggest problem the country faces; systemic collapse.