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RichClem » 16 Dec 2013 4:10 pm » wrote: That "profit" didn't include the massive unfunded liabilities for employee retirement benefits the Post Office was going to have to pay.

Imbecile.

RichClem » 14 Dec 2013 8:52 pm » wrote:The average postal worker works moderate hours, has nearly 100% job security, and retires far earlier than the average American with a massive retirement and benefits package.

That's why Congress forced the Post Office to fund its mostly unfunded pension obligations; to prevent you from looking for another taxpayer bailout.

RichClem » 14 Dec 2013 8:52 pm » wrote:Private companies generally devote roughly 40% of gross to salaries and retirement costs. The Post Office pays 65%.
That's a recipe for bankruptcy.

Misty » 23 Jan 2017 4:52 pm » wrote:Wake up Puss.
I have a question for you.
Remember all that hooplah about how the Postal Service was like days from going belly up and we needed to privatize it ASAP?
WTF happened with that?

I'm still getting my mail, are you?

Misty » 03 May 2017 2:52 pm » wrote:A blast from the past.


More lies.

1. Their pension fund was never 'unfunded.'
2. Congress forced them to overfund their pension fund in order to try to drive them into bankruptcy, so they would have the excuse they needed to privatize them.

Yeah, how's that bankruptcy thingy going Puss?

The Postal unions are urging Congress to allow the Postal Service to stop making these prefunding payments. What would happen?
Chairman Issa: The Postal Service's unfunded liabilities will soar to around $100 billion by the end of the decade. This will reverse hard-won progress. The unfunded obligations will be 25% higher than they were before the Postal Service started its prefunding payments.


With declining revenue, this huge unfunded liability would be a burden that the Postal Service could not afford to bear.


LL: So bottom line, the unions claim of the postal service pre-funding pensions for future workers is false?


Chairman Issa: Absolutely false. The non-partisan Congressional Research Service recently found that pre-funding requirements match Congress’ intent when they were enacted in 2006. The intent is to ensure that the growing unfunded liability for retiree health care for current employees is covered. These employees negotiated for and earned these benefits with their work, so USPS should pay for them.


Likewise, USPS must be self-sustaining, and not funded by the taxpayers. Prefunding is a prudent measure to protect employee’s earned benefits and taxpayer money.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432

Termin8tor » 03 May 2017 2:48 pm » wrote:First, I don't trust a word you write.

Termin8tor » 03 May 2017 2:48 pm » wrote:But where did I claim that he never lied, Dim?

Termin8tor » 03 May 2017 2:48 pm » wrote:And why no response to this?

Misty » 03 May 2017 3:16 pm » wrote: Oh, excuse me.
You only said that I was mentally ill for claiming that he had lied.
My bad.

Termin8tor » 03 May 2017 3:09 pm » wrote:Even if I accept the claim of a liar like you, pension calculations are complex relying on funding decades into the future, not on what funds might be available today.

Misty » 03 May 2017 3:26 pm » wrote:
You couldn't find anything more current than 2011?
Seriously?

Termin8tor » 03 May 2017 3:20 pm » wrote:No, you are mentally ill for giving a free pass for sociopathic liars like Clinton and Obama, but attacking a person of relatively high integrity like Pence.
You fully understand that, but are dissembling as you do endlessly.
You're a Democrat Talking Point Liar.

Termin8tor » 03 May 2017 3:30 pm » wrote:Issa and Repubs were doing not only the public but postal employees a service by assuring that the funds would be there, without a taxpayer bailout.

Misty » 03 May 2017 3:31 pm » wrote: Ah! Another person of 'high integrity.'

To you anyone with an R after their name is a person of 'high integrity.'
And anyone with a D after their name is scum.

You wanna talk about sociopathic liars, take a look at the guy in the WH right now.
No POTUS has ever lied as much and as often as that guy, and if you say they did, then you're a sociopathic liar too.

Misty » 03 May 2017 3:33 pm » wrote: ****.
Their goal was to bankrupt the Postal Service so they could privatize it.
That's always been their goal.

Post Offices Don’t Have to Be Dysfunctional
By Matt Thoman — September 7, 2011

Without emergency appropriations from Congress, the United States Postal Service will become insolvent by the end of September. It lost $8.5 billion in 2010 and is on track to lose at least as much this year. Its mail volume has declined precipitously, and overly generous labor contracts award annual raises and regular cost-of living adjustments to an overpaid, largely unskilled workforce, which also enjoys job security unrivaled in the private sector.

Despite its emerging insolvency, the Postal Service has shown little ability or inclination to reduce costs on its own, and its reform proposals skirt around the structural issues at the root of its problems. Its immediate problem: It simply cannot fund its short-term liabilities. Private-sector competitors FedEx and UPS — the latter despite being fully unionized by the Teamsters — spend about half their costs on labor; the Postal Service spends upwards of 80 percent. Thanks to its federally-mandated monopoly on first-class mail and periodic government support, there has never been any significant incentive to reduce costs. Over time, this has resulted in enormous concessions made to organized labor, the most egregious of which is the “no-layoff” clause for employees with over six years of service. To remain fiscally sustainable, the Postal Service will need to overcome union dissent and shrink its workforce by over 220,000 workers, which is well-nigh impossible without layoffs.

As an alternative, the Postal Service has suggested that the Office of Personnel Management (which manages its retirement fund) return $270 billion in contributions the Postal Service has made toward its worker retirement programs, and that Congress grant immediate access to $42.5 billion that the Postal Service has contributed toward its retirement health-care program. The Postal Service claims that it can design and operate its own retirement and health-care programs at a lower cost. However, the Postal Accountability & Enhancement Act of 2006 already alleviated nearly $30 billion in retirement liabilities for the Postal Service to set up a retirement health-care plan for its workers. No such retirement health-care plan emerged.

Giving the Postal Service more money without accountability is a non-starter in the current Congress, and also obscures the bigger picture: Wages and benefits are climbing but revenue is falling. In the last four years, mail volume fell by 20 percent due to declines in direct-mail (a.k.a. junk mail), as businesses moved more interactions with their consumers to the Internet. If the Postal Service were a private company, it would have gone out of business years ago.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/27 ... att-thoman

Former Congressman Slammed for Mocking Jimmy Kimmel’s Son’s Heart Surgery

Jimmy Kimmel has received an outpouring of love and support following his announcement that his newborn son, Billy, underwent emergency open-heart surgery just a few days after birth.

However, not everyone was empathetic towards the late night host.

Former Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) tweeted his reaction to Kimmel’s baby news on Tuesday, writing: “Sorry Jimmy Kimmel: your sad story doesn’t obligate me or anybody else to pay for somebody else’s health care.”

Misty » 03 May 2017 6:39 pm » wrote:Apparently #FireColbert was trending on Twitter today.



Sean Hannity does not support the hashtag, but he can't help but take a cheap shot at Colbert.
How would he know what kind of a human being Colbert is?
He's a horrible human being because he made a joke that Hannity didn't like?





What he said.

'The Late Show's' Trump Jokes Lead to #FireColbert Campaign

roadkill » 03 May 2017 7:03 pm » wrote:Doesn't bother me...Colbert only embarrassed himself.

Misty » 02 May 2017 9:35 pm » wrote: I'd be shocked if you weren't struck by lightning after saying that.
Have you ever read your own posts?



I just had too.

Misty » 03 May 2017 7:09 pm » wrote: Right wing snowflakes are attacking Stephen Colbert for a joke, and Jimmy Kimmel for expressing an opinion.

I don't ever want to hear any more complaints about right wingers like Ann Coulter not being able to speak.
Double standard.

Misty » 03 May 2017 12:26 am » wrote: Not true.
I have criticized him for his inappropriate behavior with Monica Lewinsky, for some of his policies and for the bone headed move to board Loretta Lynch's plane that day on the tarmac in Arizona among other things.

Your beef is that I won't say that I am 100% sure that he raped Juanita Broaddrick.
The only two people who know for sure if that happened are the two people who were present in that room.
And you, I'm assuming were not one of them.

Anyway, you have no room to criticize me.
Not only do you defend every criminal, racist and pervert with an R after their name, but you praise them as people of 'high integrity.'

Trump: Middle East Peace Is 'Not as Difficult as People Have Thought'

One of Donald Trump’s great strengths is his ability to project confidence and bravado nearly constantly.

The president is sometimes peevish, and he sometimes lashes out, but he seldom seems glumly resigned.

Who else, in the middle of a rough stretch of his presidency (one that, arguably, has persisted since Inauguration Day) could blithely assert that he would solve the most famously unsolvable problem in international diplomacy?

Yet there was Trump Wednesday afternoon, appearing with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and promising to bring peace in the Middle East.

“We want to create peace between Israel and the Palestinians. We will get it done,” Trump said.

“We will be working so hard to get it done. I think there is a very good chance and I think we will.”

At a lunch later on, he was even bolder: “It is something that I think is frankly, maybe, not as difficult as people have thought over the years.”

Termin8tor » 03 May 2017 2:46 pm » wrote: And I was vindicated, not only on that but Tom Delay's case, Sen. Stevens and one or two others.

Termin8tor » 03 May 2017 2:46 pm » wrote: How did her lip get bitten?