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Misty » 08 May 2017 3:12 pm » wrote: Good sources Puss.
Somebody on Twitter called 'Republican Chick' and Wikileaks.


The White House will attack Sally Yates as a partisan hack. Here's why that won't work.

Termin8tor » 08 May 2017 3:34 pm » wrote:
I'm not a Democrat Talking Point Liar like you, psycho.

You must get direct downloads from the DNC.

Yates showed from her behavior that she's unethical by refusing to enforce Trump's immigration order.

That is her job, unless she resigns.

If she was honorable, she could have voiced objections and quit.

Obviously she's not honorable.

Cannonpointer » 12 May 2017 12:36 am » wrote:Yeah, yeah - he's great.
Who is that dude on his left?

Cannonpointer » 12 May 2017 12:46 am » wrote:I give the Carl piece two thumbs up. My sentiments exactly. If you're given a job you can't do, you quit. You don't stay in the job and not do it.
Where was I? Oh yeah - **** sally yates. You can't do the job, you don't cash the check.

Termin8tor » 08 May 2017 1:54 pm » wrote:I don't do "talking points," liar.
Yates violated her ethical and legal responsibility. That makes her a political hack.

Misty » 12 May 2017 8:23 am » wrote: The AG's job is to defend the law and the Constitution, not to do the president's bidding.
When Obama appointed Yates as Deputy AG, she was asked by several Republican senators if she would be able to say no to Obama if he asked her to carry out an order that she felt was either unlawful, or unconstitutional, and she swore under oath that she would.
And that's what she did, except she did it to the wrong president.

Cannonpointer » 12 May 2017 11:55 am » wrote:Part of saying no to a head of state is tendering your resignation.
It just is.
No, really.
It really, really is.

Misty » 12 May 2017 1:26 pm » wrote: Pretty sure Yates knew that she would be fired for what she did, so in essence she was tendering her resignation.

Misty » 12 May 2017 8:44 am » wrote:Now he's threatening Comey.

If Liberals Hate Him, Then Trump Must Be Doing Something Right

If there was one principle that used to unite conservatives, it was respect for the rule of law.

Not long ago, conservatives would have been horrified at wholesale violations of the norms and traditions of our political system, and would have been appalled by a president who showed overt contempt for the separation of powers.

But this week, as if on cue, most of the conservative media fell into line, celebrating President Trump’s abrupt dismissal of the F.B.I. director, James Comey, and dismissing the fact that Mr. Comey was leading an investigation into the Trump campaign and its ties to Russia.

“Dems in Meltdown Over Comey Firing,” declared a headline on Fox News, as Tucker Carlson gleefully replayed clips of Democrats denouncing the move.

“It’s just insane actually,” he said, referring to their reactions.

On Fox and talk radio, the message was the same, with only a few conservatives willing to sound a discordant or even cautious note.

The talk-show host Rush Limbaugh was positively giddy, opening his monologue on Wednesday by praising Mr. Trump for what he called his “epic trolling” of liberals.

“This is great,” Mr. Limbaugh declared.

“Can we agree that Donald Trump is probably enjoying this more than anybody wants to admit or that anybody knows?

So he fires Comey yesterday.

Who’s he meet with today?

He’s meeting with the Soviet, the Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov! I mean, what an epic troll this is.”

Given the enthusiasm of the president’s apologists, it is likely that much of Mr. Trump’s base will similarly rally to him as it has in the past.

But perhaps most important, we saw once again how conservatism, with its belief in ordered liberty, is being eclipsed by something different: Loathing those who loathe the president.

Rabid anti-anti-Trumpism.

In a lamentably overlooked monologue this month, Mr. Limbaugh embraced the new reality in which conservative ideas and principles had been displaced by anti-liberalism.

For years, Mr. Limbaugh ran what he called the “Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.”

But in the Trump era, he told his audience, he has changed that to the “Institute for Advanced Anti-Leftist Studies.”

With Mr. Trump in the White House, conservative principles were no longer the point.

“How many times during the campaign did I warn everybody Trump is not a conservative?

Multiple times a day,” Mr. Limbaugh said.

“How many times have I told you: ‘Do not expect Trump to be a conservative? He isn’t one.’ ”

He went on to emphasize that the campaign was not about conservatism, because that’s not what Mr. Trump is about.

That was a remarkable admission, but it is also a key to understanding what is happening on the right.

While there are those like Sean Hannity who are reliable cheerleaders for all things President Trump, much of the conservative news media is now less pro-Trump than it is anti-anti-Trump.

The distinction is important, because anti-anti-Trumpism has become the new safe space for the right.

Here is how it works: Rather than defend President Trump’s specific actions, his conservative champions change the subject to (1) the biased “fake news” media, (2) over-the-top liberals, (3) hypocrites on the left, (4) anyone else victimizing Mr. Trump or his supporters and (5) whataboutism, as in “What about Obama?” “What about Clinton?”

For the anti-anti-Trump pundit, whatever the allegation against Mr. Trump, whatever his blunders or foibles, the other side is always worse.

But the real heart of anti-anti-Trumpism is the delight in the frustration and anger of his opponents. Mr. Trump’s base is unlikely to hold him either to promises or tangible achievements, because conservative politics is now less about ideas or accomplishments than it is about making the right enemies cry out in anguish.

Mr. Trump’s most vocal supporters don’t have to defend his specific actions as long as they make liberal heads explode, or as Sarah Palin put it so memorably, “It’s really funny to me to see the splodey heads keep sploding.”

If liberals hate something, the argument goes, then it must be wonderful and worthy of aggressive defense.

Each controversy reinforces the divisions and the distrust, and Mr. Trump counts on that.

For many in the conservative movement, this sort of anti-anti-Trumpism is the solution to the painful conundrum posed by the Trump presidency.

With a vast majority of conservative voters and listeners solidly behind Mr. Trump, conservative critics of the president find themselves isolated and under siege.

But, as Damon Linker noted, anti-anti-Trumpism “allows the right to indulge its hatred of liberals and liberalism while sidestepping the need for a reckoning with the disaster of the Trump administration itself.”

This is also a much sounder business model than airing doubts about the president.

Conservative media is, of course, a business that relies on ratings, and few things generate ratings more quickly than bashing liberals.

In this case, it is more profitable for talk show hosts to play down Mr. Trump’s failures while piling on his enemies.

The ad hominem argument is rightly regarded as a logical fallacy because it substitutes personal attacks for a discussion of the argument someone is making.

But on many talk shows, including Mr. Limbaugh’s, nearly every argument is ad hominem.

Instead of offering statistics and building a case, it is easier to simply make fun of a Trump critic like Representative Maxine Waters, or shrug off a negative report because it came from the “lamestream media.”

Not surprisingly, the vast majority of airtime on conservative media is not taken up by issues or explanations of conservative approaches to markets or need to balance liberty with order.

Why bother with such stuff, when there were personalities to be mocked and left-wing moonbats to be ridiculed?

What may have begun as a policy or a tactic in opposition has long since become a reflex.

But there is an obvious price to be paid for essentially becoming a party devoted to trolling. In the long run, it’s hard to see how a party dedicated to liberal tears can remain a movement based on ideas or centered on principles.

Conservatives will care less about governing and more about scoring “wins” — and inflicting losses on the left — no matter how hollow the victories or flawed the policies.

Ultimately, though, this will end badly because it is a moral and intellectual dead end, and very likely a political one as well.

The right’s reaction to the firing of Mr. Comey hardly bodes well.

Even conservatives who are still smarting from his handling of Hillary Clinton’s emails should recognize that the timing of Mr. Comey’s abrupt dismissal in the midst of a growing investigation into Russian meddling raises fundamental questions about the rule of the law and the possibility that justice is being obstructed.

As the right doubles down on anti-anti-Trumpism, it will find itself goaded into defending and rationalizing ever more outrageous conduct just as long as it annoys CNN and the left.

In many ways anti-anti-Trumpism mirrors Donald Trump himself, because at its core there are no fixed values, no respect for constitutional government or ideas of personal character, only a free-floating nihilism cloaked in insult, mockery and bombast.

Needless to say, this is not a form of conservatism that Edmund Burke, or even Barry Goldwater, would have recognized.

Trump has a long history of secretly recording calls.

Throughout Donald Trump’s business career, some executives who came to work for him were taken aside by colleagues and warned to assume that their discussions with the boss were being recorded.

“There was never any sense with Donald of the phone being used for private conversation,” said John O’Donnell, who was president of the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in the 1980s.

For O’Donnell and others who have had regular dealings with Trump through the years, there was something viscerally real about the threat implied by the president’s tweet Friday morning warning that fired FBI director James B. Comey “better hope that there are no ‘tapes’ of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!”

“Talking on the phone with Donald was a public experience,” said O’Donnell, author of a book about his former boss, “Trumped: The Inside Story of the Real Donald Trump.”

“You never knew who else was listening.”

Misty » 12 May 2017 7:11 pm » wrote:If there was one principle that used to unite conservatives, it was respect for the rule of law.
Not long ago, conservatives would have been horrified at wholesale violations of the norms and traditions of our political system, and would have been appalled by a president who showed overt contempt for the separation of powers.

Misty » 13 May 2017 11:50 am » wrote:This Tweet was clearly meant to intimidate Comey into remaining silent about what was said when he had dinner at the WH.

Misty » 13 May 2017 12:25 pm » wrote: Sally Yates Provided a Helpful Timeline of the Mike Flynn Saga

Misty » 13 May 2017 11:50 am » wrote:This Tweet was clearly meant to intimidate Comey into remaining silent about what was said when he had dinner at the WH.

Termin8tor » 13 May 2017 1:10 pm » wrote:Rolling Stone, that wackjob psychotic leftist rag?
Hilarious.