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Termin8tor » 10 Jun 2017 10:21 am » wrote: Gosh, why are you avoiding admitting that just like you, that lunatic Rachel Madcow babbled for months about a scandal that didn't exist?

Didn't you heap praise on that wackjob for telling it like it is? Here's a hint. Paranoid psychosis isn't "like it is."

Or like you, was she just lying?

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Huey » 10 Jun 2017 2:00 pm » wrote:
You could point this thread out to the princess:

http://liberalforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=30086&u=955&f=3

Has the truth about alleged boycotts and such.

Termin8tor » 10 Jun 2017 2:39 pm » wrote: Little Miss Marxist and the truth rarely intersect.

Cannonpointer » 10 Jun 2017 1:30 pm » wrote:No, thanks.

larryc12 » 10 Jun 2017 6:03 pm » wrote: Sure wish I had some dick in my mouth right now.

Cannonpointer » 10 Jun 2017 7:41 pm » wrote:Settle down, Nell.

larryc12 » 11 Jun 2017 8:24 am » wrote: Big baby who would rather our troops be tortured and murdered while being nice to ISIS. Go join up with ISIS.

Termin8tor » 10 Jun 2017 9:28 am » wrote:What ****, as usual.

Clinton was impeached for massive illegal fundraising, obstruction of justice, procurement and use of confidential FBI files, abuse of the IRS, abuse of the INS, intimidation of witnesses and more.

Misty » 12 Jun 2017 1:14 pm » wrote: Clem thinks he knows better than a guy who was on the Committee that impeached Clinton.


Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice in the Paula Jones case.
See articles 1 and 3.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... 121198.htm

Misty » 12 Jun 2017 1:14 pm » wrote: Clem thinks he knows better than a guy who was on the Committee that impeached Clinton.


Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice in the Paula Jones case.

Donald Trump just held the weirdest Cabinet meeting ever.

Leave it to Donald Trump to reinvent the Cabinet meeting.

The public portion of these gatherings of all of the president's top advisers are usually staid affairs.

Photographers are let in to take pictures.

The president makes a very brief statement.

A reporter shouts a question, unanswered. The end.

Donald Trump did something very different in his Cabinet meeting Monday.

First, he reviewed the various alleged successes of his first 143 days and made this remarkable claim: "Never has there been a president....with few exceptions...who's passed more legislation, who's done more things than I have.

"Um, ok. While Trump has signed a number of executive orders and actions -- the most high profile of which, the so-called "travel ban" was, again, blocked by a court on Monday-- what he hasn't really done is pass actual legislation through Congress.

The health care bill is tied up in Senate machinations.

Tax reform hasn't moved an inch.

Funding for the border wall hasn't happened. And so on.

(Nota bene: You can't say "never has" something happened and then say "with few exceptions."

Either it's never happened or it, well, has.)

But, that wasn't even close to the weirdest part of the Cabinet meeting!

Once Trump finished touting his administration's accomplishments, he turned to several of his newly-minted Cabinet secretaries like Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue. Each of those Cabinet secretaries lavished praise on Trump, which he accepted without comment but with a broad smile.

At first, I thought Trump was just going to have the new members of the Cabinet spend a few minutes praising him. NOPE!

It soon became clear that Trump planned to have every Cabinet member speak.

And when I say "speak" what I really mean is "praise Trump for his accomplishments, his foresight, his just being awesome.

"You think I am exaggerating. I am not.

Here's what White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said about Trump: "We thank you for the opportunity and blessing to serve your agenda."

I mean, WHAT?!?

The whole thing reminded me of a scene directly from the boardroom of "The Apprentice."

A group of supplicants all desperately trying to hold on to their spots on the show by effusively praising Trump -- each one trying to take it a step further than the last.

And Trump in the middle of it all, totally and completely pleased with himself.

(Reminder: Around that Cabinet table are hugely accomplished generals, billionaires and political people with long track records of success.)

What those contestants knew is the same thing Trump's Cabinet has now realized: Flattery will get you everywhere.

Donald Trump's favorite topic of conversation is Donald Trump.

The best way to talk about Donald Trump, if you want to keep working for Donald Trump, is to praise Donald Trump.

The more over-the-top, the better.

There's a tendency in Trump's presidency to overlook or dismiss these smaller sorts of things.

"Keep focused on the stuff that really matters," people tweet at me every day, all day.

(For liberals sending those tweets, it's about Russia and Trump's finances.

For conservatives, it's Trump's many accomplishments that are being allegedly ignored.)

My contention is that things like this Cabinet meeting -- while totally inconsequential in terms of actual policy -- is deeply revealing about who Trump is and how he views himself, the people who work for him and the world.

And how he views all of those things is this: With Trump at the center and everyone a spoke emanating from his hub.

Termin8tor » 12 Jun 2017 1:24 pm » wrote:This is a great example of how deeply and utterly dishonest you are.

Republicans were horrified at Clinton's felonies and impeachable acts. The Lewinsky crimes were a side show to divert the corrupt and willing MSM.

You and I debated Clinton's many crimes and abuses of power many, many times.

And every single time you lied and stonewalled, no matter how strong the evidence.

You even babble about the evidence being in "boxes" as if that made it disappear.

Misty » 12 Jun 2017 1:48 pm » wrote: Republicans might have been horrified, but he was impeached on two counts, which were perjury and obstruction of justice regarding the Paula Jones case.
There were no other charges included in the articles of impeachment.
That's just a fact.

Misty » 12 Jun 2017 1:44 pm » wrote:Donald Trump just held the weirdest Cabinet meeting ever.

SAD!

Megyn Kelly, NBC Under Fire Over ‘Sickening’ Alex Jones Interview

NBC News and Megyn Kelly are under fire for giving airtime to far-right radio show host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

In the past, Jones has claimed that the 9/11 attacks were an “inside job.”

He also said the parents of the 20 students murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012 were actors and the deaths of the children as well as six school employees were all faked.

Kelly previewed her interview with Jones on Sunday.

The full episode airs June 18 on her new show.

Kelly was criticized on social media for what some saw as an attempt to normalize Jones and his outlandish and untrue claims.

She defended herself by saying President Donald Trump had praised Jones and appeared on his show.

She also noted that Jones’ InfoWars was given credibility when the site received White House press credentials.

“Many don’t know him; our job is 2 shine a light,” she wrote.

But that didn’t slow the outrage.

Some viewers even called for a boycott of the network over the upcoming interview.

Misty » 12 Jun 2017 2:10 pm » wrote:
He gets airtime on NBC because 45 praised him?

Termin8tor » 12 Jun 2017 2:01 pm » wrote:Typical of a political hack like you to ignore the huge reality of Clinton's many felonies, impeachable acts and vast corrupt, but focus on the irrelevant "fact" of the House vote.

The House vote was limited to one minor charge in order to get the support of at least one Democrat; Virgil Goode.

You are a literal psychopath who tells endless lies in defense of a serial rapist/ serial felon. No wonder you suffer from depression.

Trump Says Qatar Funds Terror. Here’s His Record Of Trying To Get It To Fund Him.

The president is allying himself with those blockading the tiny country, but he’s made attempts to secure Qatari investments in the past.

Donald Trump, his daughter Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner all repeatedly sought financing for various investments in recent years from leading figures in Qatar, according to sources with direct knowledge of the meetings.

Those previously unreported overtures have taken on new relevance as a diplomatic crisis aggravated by President Trump has left the small Gulf nation blockaded and isolated by its rivals, with tensions in the Middle East reaching historic highs.

President Trump on Friday characterized Qatar as “historically” a “funder of terrorism at a high level,” an accusation that came just an hour after his Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appealed for “no further escalation” in the Gulf Cooperation Council squabble, urging dialogue to quickly resolve the crisis, which pits Qatar against Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, and Bahrain.

Tillerson noted the Qatari emir “made progress in halting financial support and expelling terrorist elements from his country,” comments echoed by the U.S. ambassador to Qatar, Dana Smith, who tweeted “Qatar is a strong partner in combating terrorist financing.”

That partnership is not merely rhetorical.

Qatar is home to Al-Udeid air base, the regional Central Command headquarters from which American bombers depart on daily missions against ISIS and al Qaeda.

Reacting to the GCC dispute, the Defense Department praised Qatar’s commitment to fighting ISIS as its secretary, James Mattis, expressed his confidence that the turmoil would not interrupt Qatar’s contribution to those efforts.

Given the weave of interests and close cooperation between the U.S. and Qatar, many are seeking ways to interpret Trump’s abrupt turn against Qatar in the dispute. Some think the answer lies not in the realm of policy but in the history of Trump’s business deals with the various actors in the dispute.

The Trump Organization (now under the stewardship of son Donald Jr.) is reportedly in talks with Emirati tycoons to receive several billion dollars of investment in addition to owning two golf courses in Dubai.

The New York Times reports that Trump has previously had as many as eight business entities registered in Jeddah alone.

In 2015, Trump spoke about his admiration for the Saudis and attributed it to his business dealings with them:
Therein lies the source of much consternation among Qataris.

Several people interviewed for this piece expressed concern that Trump’s bias against their country might stem from a series of failed business overtures that he (along with his son-in-law Jared Kushner) made seven years ago, which are only now being reported.

They did not go as swimmingly as the deals made with the Saudis and Emiratis.

In 2010, as markets were still reeling from the 2008 global economic crisis, Qatar was flush with cash and countless business executives and foreign governments came calling.

Some came to get liquidity; others searching for silver linings amidst the global chaos.

Trump was in the latter category, then as CEO of the Trump Organization but also as host and star of the hit domestic American reality TV show, “The Apprentice.”

Traveling with his daughter Ivanka, Trump visited Doha in 2010 for separate meetings with Qatar Investment Authority (QIA) executive board member Dr. Hussain Al-Abdullah and as well as Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani (commonly abbreviated as “HBJ”), who was then serving as foreign minister and prime minister.

Neither responded to requests for comment on this article.

At the time, the pair constituted the brain trust of Qatar’s financial and investment sector.

QIA is the world’s second largest sovereign wealth fund (presently estimated at having $338 billion in assets under management).

Then as now, Sheikh HBJ had renown for being kingmaker of not just political deals but financial ones too.

Using his business and political savvy, he has sealed deals ranging from Britain’s Harrods to Germany’s Deutsch Bank to America’s Miramax Hollywood studios.

A source close to the 2010 talks with Trump say he made the Doha stopover (along with stops in Dubai and Abu Dhabi) to raise money for a distressed real estate fund he was assembling.

Trump opened the discussion with QIA by bragging about the success of Trump International and the many deals he had personally put together.

Trump had hardly got through his own biography when Dr. Al-Abdullah, QIA’s senior executive, interrupted to say words to the effect of: We know who you are and what you have done.

Tell us what you can do for us right now.

That single, curt interruption apparently left Trump stunned.

He had expected his hosts to be impressed, if not grateful, that a person of Trump’s stature would visit the Qatari capital.

Apparently distracted by the lack of decorum, Trump barely continued with his pitch.

The meeting abruptly ended, according to one account, with Trump exiting the room visibly angered.

According to another, the meeting ended pleasantly and the decision not to invest in Trump was simply about Trump’s lack of track record in doing real estate funds.

The same source also said any coldness to Trump was more a function of Dr. Al-Abdullah’s becoming numb to the same repetitive proposals—QIA routinely received such pitches.

In the Qataris view, if not Trump’s, all that distinguished his proposal from so many others was his own celebrity status.

A subsequent meeting that day between Trump and Sheikh HBJ ended with pleasantries but with the top Qatari businessman keeping hold of his wallet.

Trump was unable to move any Qatari funds to the Trump Organization, and within months after leaving, observers noted that even Trump himself quit the distressed real estate fund idea, having failed to get a single backer anywhere.

The Trump family interactions with Qatar expanded as Ivanka Trump returned to Doha within several months with her husband Jared Kushner, a wealthy real estate and media investor in his own right.

Jared had a new pitch to make, this time on a different real estate deal.

Ironically, some of Jared’s introductions within Qatar were facilitated by a national of the country that is a key player in the present crisis: Saudi Arabia.

Through a personal friendship with Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan’s son Khalid, (who knew Jared and who remained in the U.S. after his father’s legendary tenure as ambassador ended in 2005) Jared gained entry to a younger cadre of successful Qatari businessmen during his trip.

Jared and wife Ivanka overnighted at the Doha Four Seasons, and observers with direct knowledge of the visit say the atmosphere between them and their host was perceptibly better, if not warm.

Jared had his own mission in mind to present to his Qatari hosts.

He was desperate to secure funds to recapitalize his 666 Fifth Avenue property which, then as now, was severely underwater.

But in high-level meetings in Doha, neither QIA nor Sheikh HBJ showed interest in Jared’s building.

This was the same issue with follow-up meetings between Ivanka and Qatari investors held in New York in 2011.

According to The New York Times:
The luxury high-rise has been plagued by massive debt ever since—insiders say the Kushner family overpaid—which offers one explanation for why they have turned to foreign sources to help bail it out.

Discussions to buy a stake in 666 Fifth Avenue between Jared and Sheikh HBJ—who left government in 2013 to pursue his own vast business interests—are said by a source with knowledge of the talks to have continued right up until the election of 2016.

But the hunt for capital continued after Jared ended his pursuit of Qatari investors last year.

In March 2017, Bloomberg reported that Kushner Companies was close to securing “unusually favorable terms” in talks with the Angbang Insurance Company, despite its ties to the “highest echelons of China’s Communist Party.”

On the same day, Trump attacked Qatar as a financier of terrorism, lawyers from his Justice Department offered an advisory opinion arguing that as president he could accept payments from foreign governments after all, which would presumably include countries like Qatar and China.

Today, with Trump allying himself and the United States with those blockading their tiny country, Qataris can’t help but wonder: is this all about Trump’s hurt feelings over business deals that didn’t pan out?

For years America preached that the Arab countries should fight corruption and have financial transparency.

Yet neither the American public much less most foreign countries dealing with Trump have any true understanding about the nature and volume of Trump family investments abroad whether in Saudi Arabia the UAE or elsewhere.

For example, journalistic exposure of Jared’s family history of investing in illegal West Bank settlements provide Palestinians and the international community insights to his obvious personal conflicts, even if in Trump’s eyes that still makes him a suitable mediator of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

So too with Qatar, it is necessary for Trump and his family to declare all their Mideast interests and holdings.

This will enable others to form a view as to whether Trump’s recent weighing in on the side of Saudi Arabia and the UAE is a genuine attempt to perform the statesman role, or merely payback for business deals that never happened.

Many Qataris suspect that they know the answer and are distressed by it.

Could anyone have imagined that five or ten years ago, when businessmen turned down a New York mogul and reality TV host auditioning for its investment, that they were jeopardizing the security of their country?

Not to mention America’s security interests in the Middle East.

Misty » 13 Jun 2017 11:18 am » wrote:It's all about the money with this bunch.
Always follow the money.

Misty » 13 Jun 2017 11:18 am » wrote: It's all about the money with this bunch.
Always follow the money.