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Misty » 10 Jul 2017 10:59 pm » wrote:If this is true, then it shows that Fredo Trump was perfectly willing to work (collude) with the Russian government in order to obtain damaging information about Hillary.

Well despite your years and years and years of endless lying and smearing, I'm absolutely sure you got it right this time!

Oooops, turns out you're lying again.

And not that plain English and common sense will get in the way of your lies and smears, accepting information about HRC isn't "colluding," psycho, unless illegally he gave them something in return.

Mr. Goldstone’s message, as described to The New York Times by the three people, indicates that the Russian government was the source of the potentially damaging information. It does not elaborate on the wider effort by Moscow to help the Trump campaign.

There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. The meeting took place less than a week before it was widely reported that Russian hackers had infiltrated the committee’s servers
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/p ... idacy.html

Fredo called it "phony" to say Russia was trying to hurt Clinton 6 wks after he met with Russians to plot against her.

https://youtu.be/aiEGEGcokUc

What an arrogant little prick.

Misty » 10 Jul 2017 11:43 pm » wrote: What an arrogant little prick.

Why do you keep dodging my question, psycho?

Termin8tor » 10 Jul 2017 10:58 pm » wrote:I'd call the corrupt MSM "wingnut" for falsely claiming for six or seven months that Trump was under investigation.

Yet you continue to cite them.

Why would an unbiased media spend months reporting a lie, psycho?

Termin8tor » 11 Jul 2017 12:02 am » wrote:Why do you keep dodging my question, psycho?

Why don't you answer mine?

Termin8tor » 10 Jul 2017 10:58 pm » wrote:Why would an unbiased media spend months reporting a lie, psycho?

Another question based on a false premise.
In order for me to answer that question, I would have to buy into your premise that the media has been reporting some lie for months. I don't.

And FYI, when you cite wingnut sources like The Gateway Pundit, you have no right to complain about media bias.

Termin8tor » 10 Jul 2017 11:10 pm » wrote:And not that plain English and common sense will get in the way of your lies and smears, accepting information about HRC isn't "colluding," psycho, unless illegally he gave them something in return.

Wrong jackass.
Collude simply means to conspire and/or plot with someone, or to work with them secretly.

Look it up.

Termin8tor » 10 Jul 2017 11:07 pm » wrote:You're obviously lacking 1/10 of an ounce of integrity. You spread lies and smears without the slightest concern for what the facts are.

You mean lies like......
1. CNN is blackmailing a 15 year old boy
and
2. Fredo's meeting with the Russian lawyer was a set up by Democrats.

Oh wait!
Those are two of the lies that you have been spreading just in the last few days.

Donald Trump Jr. May Well Have Committed A Federal Crime, Experts Say.

Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer in June 2016 with the express purpose of getting information the Russian government had acquired on Hillary Clinton, according to a New York Times report published on Monday night.

If this account is true, experts on national security and election law say, then there is a very real chance that President Trump’s son committed a federal crime.
[..........]
“The law states that no person shall knowingly solicit or accept from a foreign national any contribution to a campaign of an item of value,” explains Ryan Goodman, a former Defense Department special counsel and current editor of the legal site Just Security.

“There is now a clear case that Donald Trump Jr. has met all the elements of the law, which is a criminally enforced federal statute.”

The statute in question is 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510 — the law governing foreign contributions to US campaigns.

There are two key passages that apply here. This is the first:

A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

The crucial phrase here is “other thing of value,” legal experts tell me.

It means that the law extends beyond just cash donations.

Foreigners are also banned from providing other kinds of contributions that would be the functional equivalent of a campaign donation, just provided in the form of services rather than goods.

Like, say, damaging information the Russian government collected about Hillary Clinton.

“To the extent you’re using the resources of a foreign country to run your campaign — that’s an illegal campaign contribution,” Akerman explains.

Here’s the second important passage of the statute: “No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by [this law].”

The key word from Trump Jr., according to University of California-Irvine election law expert Rick Hasen, is “solicit,” which has a very specific meaning in this context.

To quote the relevant statute:

A solicitation is an oral or written communication that, construed as reasonably understood in the context in which it is made, contains a clear message asking, requesting, or recommending that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.

In short? If Trump Jr. asked Veselnitskaya, in person, to provide “anything of value” on Clinton then there’s a real case that he illegally solicited a campaign contribution from a foreign national.

Given that political campaigns regularly pay thousands of dollars to opposition researchers to dig up dirt, it seems like damaging information on Clinton would constitute something “of value” to the Trump campaign.

Misty » 11 Jul 2017 12:49 am » wrote: You mean lies like......
1. CNN is blackmailing a 15 year old boy
and
2. Fredo's meeting with the Russian lawyer was a set up by Democrats.

Oh wait!
Those are two of the lies that you have been spreading just in the last few days.

I don't recall citing one word about any 15-year-old boy, psycho.

And citing a source that might have been incorrect doesn't make anyone a liar, duuuh!

So you're lying, as usual.

Misty » 11 Jul 2017 1:13 am » wrote:Donald Trump Jr. May Well Have Committed A Federal Crime, Experts Say.

....In short? If Trump Jr. asked Veselnitskaya, in person, to provide “anything of value” on Clinton then there’s a real case that he illegally solicited a campaign contribution from a foreign national.

Given that political campaigns regularly pay thousands of dollars to opposition researchers to dig up dirt, it seems like damaging information on Clinton would constitute something “of value” to the Trump campaign.

Did the Justice Dept. indict any HRC officials for doing the same in Ukraine?

Did liberals demand it at the time?

Have you written one single word seeking their indictment?

Then you're just lying and smearing, like the Democrat Talking Point Liar you are.

Misty » 11 Jul 2017 12:32 am » wrote: Wrong jackass.
Collude simply means to conspire and/or plot with someone, or to work with them secretly.

Look it up.

Well gosh, who should people believe, a shameless lying psychopath like you?

Or the objective attorney at Powerline who said there wasn't anything illegal done?

Tough choice, as usual.

Misty » 10 Jul 2017 10:59 pm » wrote: If this is true, then it shows that Fredo Trump was perfectly willing to work (collude) with the Russian government in order to obtain damaging information about Hillary.

It's not like he was getting opposition research from the UKraine.

Misty » 11 Jul 2017 12:18 am » wrote: Why don't you answer mine?

You have a decade-long backlog of stonewalling questions I've asked, psycho.

Another question based on a false premise.
In order for me to answer that question, I would have to buy into your premise that the media has been reporting some lie for months. I don't.

Trump was not under investigation over that period, liar, as Comey testified.
Yet the corrupt MSM reported that Trump was. How could they have possibly "reported" a lie for so many months?

Answer, you'll stonewall and refuse to answer.

And FYI, when you cite wingnut sources like The Gateway Pundit, you have no right to complain about media bias.

**** off, liar. That I cite accurate Gateway has nothing to do with the absurd anti-conservative bias in the corrupt MSM.

And you have for many years rejected every single source I've cited.

Huey » 11 Jul 2017 9:49 am » wrote:
It's not like he was getting opposition research from the UKraine.

I'm absolutely sure that little Miss Marxist has been demanding indictments for that, honest, nonpartisan and objective as she always is.

Misty » 10 Jul 2017 4:38 pm » wrote: How about The Gateway Pundit or Powerline blog?

Cite one shred of evidence that either are "wingnut websites."

CNN is now a wackjob left source that has reported lies and falsehoods for many, many months now. They're also the same corrupt network that covered up Clinton's felonies and impeachable acts.

Now they and the rest of the corrupt MSM are paying the price.

Marist: More People Trust Trump Administration Than The Media
ED MORRISSEY
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/07/07/m ... ion-media/

Termin8tor » 11 Jul 2017 11:50 am » wrote:Cite one shred of evidence that either are "wingnut websites."

I already did.
The piece you cited from The Gateway Pundit started with the words 'the fake news media.'
That's a wingnut phrase.

So which defense of Fredo are we going with today Puss?
That what he did does not constitute collusion, or that even if it was collusion, it's not illegal?

Misty » 10 Jul 2017 4:06 pm » wrote:Even if that source is a hostile foreign government who anyone with an ounce of common sense would know obtained that information illegally through hacking and/or spying?

Treason! Treason!

I'm absolutely sure that not only is little Miss Marxist correct, but that the Trump's are hiding everything behind a tall wall of lawyers.

Oh, never mind.

BOOM! Donald Trump Jr. Beats #FakeNews and Releases Entire Email Chain on Meeting Russian Lawyer
Jim Hoft
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... an-lawyer/

Misty » 11 Jul 2017 12:57 pm » wrote: I already did.
The piece you cited from The Gateway Pundit started with the words 'the fake news media.'
That's a wingnut phrase.

I use the phrase, and I'm not at all a wingnut, so you're lying as usual.

So which defense of Fredo are we going with today Puss?
That what he did does not constitute collusion, or that even if it was collusion, it's not illegal?

Here's how guilty he is, psycho.

BOOM! Donald Trump Jr. Beats #FakeNews and Releases Entire Email Chain on Meeting Russian Lawyer
Jim Hoft
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... an-lawyer/

Obviously the Trump's are too stupid to hide incriminating evidence.

Misty » 11 Jul 2017 12:57 pm » wrote: I already did.
The piece you cited from The Gateway Pundit started with the words 'the fake news media.'
That's a wingnut phrase.

So which defense of Fredo are we going with today Puss?
That what he did does not constitute collusion, or that even if it was collusion, it's not illegal?

He doesn't have to show anything. YOU are making the allegation. Well, actuall, you are PARROTTING the allegation. Based on what has been made public exactly where is the collusion? Umm?

Based on what is public you have one hell of a case to make. So lay your cards. You have parroted nothing that needs defending.

Misty » 11 Jul 2017 12:57 pm » wrote:So which defense of Fredo are we going with today Puss?
That what he did does not constitute collusion, or that even if it was collusion, it's not illegal?

If it's not illegal, what's the problem, psycho?

Are you going to impeach Trump because his son did something you don't approve of?

Piled on top of your months and months and months of lies and smears, you're obviously really desperate.

Misty » 11 Jul 2017 12:57 pm » wrote:So which defense of Fredo are we going with today Puss?
That what he did does not constitute collusion, or that even if it was collusion, it's not illegal?

Really hilarious coming from the psychopath who told years of lies denying felonies and impeachable acts under/by Clinton, HRC and Obama.

So far, however, no evidence has emerged that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in the computer hacking. And “so far” now means about a year.

Instead, we are told that President Trump’s son met with a Russian lawyer who is said to have “Kremlin ties.” Allegedly, he met with her after it was suggested to him that she had information damaging to Hillary Clinton and/or the Democrats. This is, as Scott says, the new meaning of collusion.


The problem is that there’s nothing wrong with a campaign operative meeting with a person, Kremlin ties or not, who may have adverse information on the opposing candidate or her party. .....


I don’t think so. Receiving information is not collusion.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... lusion.php