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Because he was cutting Medicare to spend the money on a massive new entitlement program, not to save Medicare itself. So why should Republican hypocrites care about that? They've been trying to kill Medicare forever.Medicare will die if it's not reformed.Ryan's plan doesn't reform it. It does away with it.Misty: They accused Obama of trashing Medicare, but they're going to murder it.Another Democrat Talking Point Lie.1. It's not a lie. Seniors will get a voucher and have to fend for themselves in the private insurance market. Good luck with that. If they can even manage to get insurance the voucher won't cover the cost.2. It's not a **** Talking Point. I must not have time to do anything else but read talking points all day, because according to you every thing I say is a Talking Point.I'm no genius, but believe it or not I am able to string together a few words on my own now and then.That Democrat Talking Point Lie crap, is the LIE you use to discredit me, as is your clearly stated goal.Why should anyone believe that you wouldn't lie to achieve your goal? Edited by MistyBlue, 05 April 2011 - 05:08 PM.

Because he was cutting Medicare to spend the money on a massive new entitlement program, not to save Medicare itself.Medicare will die if it's not reformed.So why should Republican hypocrites care about that? They've been trying to kill Medicare forever.Ryan's plan doesn't reform it. It does away with it.Oh my, more Democrat Talking Point Lies. What's next, Repubs want to kill old people?No, Ryan's plan doesn't do away with it. Taxes are still collected for it, but instead of a government bureaucracy with no choices, people can choose from private plans.I wish he killed it, but he's not.What's your plan for saving Medicare?1. It's not a lie. Seniors will get a voucher and have to fend for themselves in the private insurance market. Good luck with that.Oh gosh, Americans aren't capable of buying anything in the private sector, are they?2. It's not a **** Talking Point. I must not have time to do anything else but read talking points all day, because according to you every thing I say is a Talking Point.Stop lying, and I'll stop pointing it out.

Oh my, more Democrat Talking Point Lies. What's next, Repubs want to kill old people?That will be the result when they can't find health insurance that they can afford on the private market, won't it?Oh gosh, Americans aren't capable of buying anything in the private sector, are they?We all know health insurance companies are just dying to sell insurance to 65 year olds, don't we?Before Medicare was created in 1965, only about 55% of seniors had health insurance.You're an idiot if you think that it's going to be easy for seniors to get health insurance in the private market that they can afford. Those who can't afford to supplement what the voucher will cover, will go without.But you don't give a **** about them do you?I wonder if you will have the guts to tell us where you get your health care Puss? Edited by MistyBlue, 05 April 2011 - 05:20 PM.

No, Ryan's plan doesn't do away with it. Taxes are still collected for it, but instead of a government bureaucracy with no choices, people can choose from private plans.I wish he killed it, but he's not.That will be the result when they can't find health insurance that they can afford on the private market, won't it?There might well be more expense to the elderly, there might not, but the alternative is that Medicare and the entire country goes bankrupt.What's your plan for saving Medicare?You're an idiot if you think that it's going to be easy for seniors to get health insurance in the private market that they can afford. Those who can't afford to supplement what the voucher will cover, will go without.But you don't give a **** about them do you?Oh gosh no, I don't care about the elderly and the poor. Shameless lying moonbat.What's your plan for saving Medicare?

Rich, you fraudulent coward. STFU and get a job.

There might well be more expense to the elderly, there might not....There's no might about the fact that you're a total idiot.Once again, I wonder if you will have the guts to tell us where you get your health care Puss? Hmmmmmmmm?????? Edited by MistyBlue, 05 April 2011 - 08:43 PM.

There's no might about the fact that you're a total idiot. Given that the private sector is far more efficient than the government, there might well be the same service at lower cost. I don't know.Anything the government does his horrendously expensive and inefficient.Once again, I wonder if you will have the guts to tell us where you get your health care Puss? Hmmmmmmmm??????Once again I ask you for the 30th time or so, how would you close the $1.6 trillion Obama/Democrat deficit?How would you prevent the literal bankruptcy of the country?You'll punt of course, lying coward that you are.

Teabagger Congressman Stephen Fincher [R-TN], spoke out against government spending and bailouts during his congressional campaign last year.Fincher applied for and received a $13,650 grant from the state Department of Agriculture in 2009.The state grant is in addition to federal farm subsidies of at least $3.2 million he and his wife have received over the last 10 years.In a speech Fincher gave at the University of Tennessee last year he said that he was running for Congress to 'stop the out-of-control spending' and he also said that we have too many stimulus bills and too many bailouts.Fincher is one of almost two dozen members of Congress who receive farm subsidies.The Environmental Working Group has determined that at least 23 representatives and senators or their family members applied for farm subsidy payments between 1995 and 2009. Seventeen of the named recipients were Republicans and six were Democrats. In total, the GOP took in more than $5.3 million, compared to only $489,856 for Democrats.The biggest beneficiaries of farm subsidies in the current Congress have been: Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-Tennessee) $3,368,843 Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-Missouri) $469,292 Rep. Kristi Noem (R-South Dakota) $443,748 Sen. John Tester (D-Montana) $442,303 Rep. Tom Latham (R-Iowa) $330,046Fincher, a self-described Tea Party patriot, who lists his occupation as "farmer" and "gospel singer" in the Congressional Directory, did not directly say whether he would continue to take subsidies, when asked by ABC News."We need a good, better, we need a better farm program and we need to streamline it," he said. "We need to look at many many options. And that's a long way off."Almost Two Dozen Congressmen Receive Farm SubsidiesWhy is that a long way off Congressman Fincher? Why can't you add that into Paul Ryan's budget plan for 2012?

Teabagger Congressman Stephen Fincher [R-TN], spoke out against government spending and bailouts during his congressional campaign last year.Fincher applied for and received a $13,650 grant from the state Department of Agriculture in 2009.Hey look, a squirrel!$13,000 and change? Obama and Democrats go through that in like 1/10 seconds.A little desperate, aren't you.Once again I ask you for the 31th time or so, how would you close the $1.6 trillion Obama/Democrat deficit?How would you prevent the literal bankruptcy of the country?You'll punt of course, lying coward that you are.That Democrat Talking Point Lie crap, is the LIE you use to discredit me, as is your clearly stated goal.Wow, your nose really grew with this claim.Is there a single Democrat Talking Point Lie you haven't regurgitated?

Given that the private sector is far more efficient than the government, there might well be the same service at lower cost. I don't know.You obviously don't get your health care through a private insurance company, since you seem to know nothing about how they operate. Profit is what it's all about for them. As people get older they tend to need to see a doctor more often. What possible incentive would a private insurance company have to want to insure old people?This is why Medicare was started to begin with, and Republicans have been trying to kill it since before it even passed, starting with your Messiah Ronald Reagan. Once again I ask you for the 30th time or so, how would you close the $1.6 trillion Obama/Democrat deficit?How would you prevent the literal bankruptcy of the country?You'll punt of course, lying coward that you are.I have quite a list of things that I would like to see happen, but why should I tell you what they are?I know exactly what the result will be.You'll call me a moonbat, and a variety of other childish names, including a lying partisan hack, and then you'll accuse me of spreading Democrat Talking Point Lies.So if I'm a moonbat who lies through her teeth and spreads talking points, then why do you care what I think?Speaking of talking points....have you gotten your marching orders yet from the right wing opinion pieces that you regurgitate so often, about how to sell the Paul Ryan Budget plan?Here's a hint. Two things I noticed about Paul Ryan. He must have met with Frank Luntz and been instructed on which words to use when he talks about his plan. I noticed that he says that his plan will help Americans by making them 'self-sufficient' which basically means, you're on your own seniors. And he uses the phrase 'revenue neutral', when talking about the tax cuts for himself and his rich buddies in the plan. More Republican hogsnot.Currently members of Congress like Paul Ryan are paid a base salary of $174,000 per year.For this salary, they are currently taxed in the 33 percent income tax bracket, but Ryan's budget would have them taxed instead at the 25 percent rate currently enjoyed by individuals who make between $34,001 and $82,400.This amounts to a tax cut for members of Congress like Paul Ryan of $13,920 per year!For Speaker of the House John Boehner, who makes $223,500 per year, who is also currently situated in the 33 percent tax bracket, he will see a base increase in take-home pay of $17,880.(Someone hand Boehner a tissue when he hears about this.)(For more tax bracket info check out the figures at bankrate.com.)You're a typical Republican piece of **** doing the bidding for these greedy bastards who take more and more for themselves while they defecate all over old people, children, the middle class and the poor.I have nothing but contempt for you and your ilk.So what is it Puss? The VA? You must be getting some kind of government run health care, because you don't want us to know about it. Edited by MistyBlue, 05 April 2011 - 09:46 PM.

Given that the private sector is far more efficient than the government, there might well be the same service at lower cost. I don't know.You obviously don't get your health care through a private insurance company, since you seem to know nothing about how they operate. Profit is what it's all about for them. Other than following the contract they signed with Americans who buy their service, you mean.I understand there are abuses, but Americans are overwhelmingly happy with their health care and their insurance.But heck, let's just let Medicare and the entire country go bankrupt. There, happy?What did you say your solution was? You don't have any.Once again I ask you for the 30th time or so, how would you close the $1.6 trillion Obama/Democrat deficit?How would you prevent the literal bankruptcy of the country?You'll punt of course, lying coward that you are.I have quite a list of things that I would like to see happen, but why should I tell you what they are?I know exactly what the result will be.You'll call me a moonbat, and a variety of other childish names, including a lying partisan hack, and then you'll accuse me of spreading Democrat Talking Point Lies.If you lie and express moonbat opinions, of course I'll point it out.So your excuse is that you won't answer because I'll insult you? How utterly pathetic, and dishonest as well.Speaking of talking points....have you gotten your marching orders yet from the right wing opinion pieces that you regurgitate so often, about how to sell the Paul Ryan Budget plan?I think it's excellent and very courageous. It likely will win Repubs the Senate and the presidency next election.Currently members of Congress like Paul Ryan are paid a base salary of $174,000 per year.For this salary, they are currently taxed in the 33 percent income tax bracket, but Ryan's budget would have them taxed instead at the 25 percent rate currently enjoyed by individuals who make between $34,001 and $82,400.This amounts to a tax cut for members of Congress like Paul Ryan of $13,920 per year!Aha, you've discovered Repubs secret. They're cutting everyone's taxes not for the good of the country, but because they want a tax cut personally.Ha, ha, ha, what a pathetically dishonest loon you are, geez.I have nothing but contempt for you and your ilk.Pathetic lying little moonbat.You can't tell the truth to save your life, but you hold me in contempt?

You can't tell the truth to save your life, but you hold me in contempt? Yes. I hold you in contempt. I detest your kind. I can't tell the truth to save my life, but you're the one who follows me around this forum demanding I answer your questions. So what does that say about you?Which government run program do you rely on for your health care Puss?Why won't you tell me? I buy my health insurance from Blue Cross/Blue Shield. What about you?

Yes. I hold you in contempt. I detest your kind.Because you're just plain nuts, obviously.I can't tell the truth to save my life, but you're the one who follows me around this forum demanding I answer your questions. So what does that say about you?Which government run program do you rely on for your health care Puss?Why won't you tell me? I buy my health insurance from Blue Cross/Blue Shield. What about you? You're not a well person, are you.Obama and Dems are running deficits and policies that will literally bankrupt the country, and not only do you stonewall that, you're obsessed with my personal health care plan.What an utter freaking wackjob you are, geez.

Misty you should read this piece on bankruptcy. It's pretty enlightening, because the right-wing media will only hype about deficits and possible bankruptcy. http://www.fair.org/...x.php?page=4167Pay attention to this part: “Experts” within mainstream media warn Greece against abandoning the euro, as it would likely result in a default on the nation’s loans—a scenario unacceptable to media elites, despite recent lessons from other countries. When the economy of Estonia crashed, the country kept its currency pegged to the euro and adopted harsh austerity measures. This resulted in significant economic contraction, with unemployment rising from 2 percent to 19.8 percent (Business Week, 5/14/10) and IMF projections showing Estonia’s economy to be worse off in 2015 than it was in 2007 (Guardian, 4/28/10).By contrast, when Argentina was hit by recession in 1998, it tried keeping its currency pegged to the U.S. dollar—until the economy crashed in 2001. The government then defaulted on its loans and devalued its currency; though the move resulted in continued shrinkage for one quarter, that was followed by 63 percent GDP growth over six years (Guardian, 5/18/10). But the potential upside to default goes virtually unmentioned, with paying back debts to banks treated as a sacred duty—suggesting more concern for the welfare of the world’s wealthy than for its workers (e.g., Washington Post, 4/23/10, 4/24/10).K I'm outta this circus. Edited by Avenger_of_Justice, 05 April 2011 - 10:51 PM.

MistyBlue, on 05 April 2011 - 11:42 PM, said:Yes. I hold you in contempt. I detest your kind.Because you're just plain nuts, obviously.Someone has to be crazy in order not to like you?Here's a hint Puss. You're not very likeable.You're not a well person, are you.You're really in no position to make that judgement.What an utter freaking wackjob you are, geez.Yes, I'm the utter freaking wackjob that you follow around the forum demanding answers from.Again, what does that say about you?Which government run program do you rely on for your health care Puss?Misty you should read this piece on bankruptcy. It's pretty enlightening, because the right-wing media will only hype about deficits and possible bankruptcy. http://www.fair.org/...x.php?page=4167K I'm outta this circus. Thanks A of J. I'm off to bed. I'll read it tomorrow when I'm not sleepy.Love the new avatar.

Yes, I'm the utter freaking wackjob that you follow around the forum demanding answers from.Again, what does that say about you?Which government run program do you rely on for your health care Puss?What's your shoe size?Obama and Dems are running deficits and policies that will literally bankrupt the country, and not only do you stonewall that, you're obsessed with my personal health care plan.What an utter freaking wackjob you are, geez.

*has the last word in this thread*

Misty - I watched the Maddow segment - and the others. Very good stuff. Inspired a thread denouncing police unions (tongue in cheek). I have missed Maddow since swearing off of MSNBC after they played at Fox's level by using camera angles to obscure the race of a teabagger since it would have interfered with their narrative (can't tolerate cooked "news" from either side). But anyhow, DID enjoy the segment very much. A lotta food for thought there...Edit: Note to Thrash: Na na na nya na.

I have missed Maddow since swearing off of MSNBC after they played at Fox's level by using camera angles to obscure the race of a teabagger since it would have interfered with their narrative.Let's see how little Miss Marxist responds to this blatant act of deceit by MS-LSD.How can MS-LSD portray Tea Partyers as racist if they show blacks participating and getting along well with them?

Misty you should read this piece on bankruptcy. It's pretty enlightening, because the right-wing media will only hype about deficits and possible bankruptcy.Have you ever read the Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein?Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine advances a truly unnerving argument: historically, while people were reeling from natural disasters, wars and economic upheavals, savvy politicians and industry leaders nefariously implemented policies that would never have passed during less muddled times. As Klein demonstrates, this reprehensible game of bait-and-switch isn't just some relic from the bad old days. It's alive and well in contemporary society, and coming soon to a disaster area near you. Just look at what's happening with collective bargaining, and cutting programs that Republicans have always hated. Case in point, Paul Ryan with his radical budget plan.Ryan admitted it himself when he said, "It's not a budget, it's a cause."