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Misty » 11 Aug 2017 7:03 pm » wrote: And you always play the game stupid.
He did not want to sign the sanctions bill.
He was forced to because Congress had the votes to override his veto.

Maybe if you ever read something besides wingnut websites, you might know that.
You've called anything and everything I cite "wingnut," liar.

From your source:
he slammed the legislation as “significantly flawed” and an affront to his executive powers.
Which has nothing to do with your endless propaganda about Trump and Putin.

No one buys your ****.
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Misty » 11 Aug 2017 3:52 pm » wrote:[/size]So what deeds has he done to punish Russia for interfering in our election?
You've babbled dishonestly for months that he's "Putin's pet."

What has he done that's favorable to Putin, that's not in the interests of the US?

Rotsa ruck, psycho.
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Little Donnie Tantrump: "We have many options for Venezuela including a possible military option."

WTF?

Did I miss something?
Did Venezuela threaten us?

Or is the boiled ham in a wig just being 'sarcastic' again?
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This NSC ex-staffer’s memo is crazy. Trump’s reaction is more disturbing.

On Thursday, Foreign Policy published a remarkable memo penned by a former staffer on President Trump’s National Security Council.

The author, Rich Higgins, was forced out last month by national security adviser H.R. McMaster for composing it.

The memo contends that the president is the target of a vast conspiracy spearheaded by so-called cultural Marxists, who have allied with Islamists and captured (among other groups) the media, the deep state, academia, “global corporatists” and leaders of both parties.

That Higgins worked for the NSC is disturbing enough.

But more disturbing is that Trump, who saw the memo when it was passed to him by his son Donald Trump Jr., was “furious” at Higgins’s removal — a sign of the scary conspiratorial depths the president is already descending to.

The president’s enemies, Higgins claims, are employing “political warfare as understood by the Maoist Insurgency model.”

Even Republican leaders have been subjugated, Higgins says, because they are “more afraid of being accused of being called a racist, sexist, homophobe or Islamophobe than of failing to enforce their oaths to ‘support and defend the Constitution.’ ”

(Yes, Higgins says you and I have a choice: Either don’t be homophobic or support the Constitution.)

He concludes chillingly, “The recent turn of events give rise to the observation that the defense of President Trump is the defense of America.”

The roots of the Higgins memo go back decades in the history of the right.

Extreme-right groups such as the John Birch Society have long warned of cultural-Marxist-led conspiracies.

(The memo’s first footnote cites a JBS member’s interview with a Soviet defector on “how Jewish Marxist ideology is destabilizing the economy.”)

Past Republican presidents didn’t mind getting these groups’ votes, but Birchers and their like were kept far away from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Not so in Trump’s White House.

Thankfully, Higgins’s time at the NSC was short.

But the memo found its way to the president anyway, via a curious route.

“Among those who received the memo,” reports Foreign Policy, “according to two sources, was Donald Trump Jr.”

We may never know the reason an NSC staffer was sharing a “technical assessment” with the executive director of the Trump Organization, since Republicans have stopped caring about email security.

But however Trump Jr. obtained the document, he “gave the memo to his father, who gushed over it, according to sources.”

Trump “is still furious” that Higgins was forced out.

Trump’s attraction to an alternate reality where he is the target of the political elite, the banking elite, Marxists, the Islamic State, the deep state and professors from coast to coast fits in nicely with one of his rules: Nothing is ever his fault.

He blamed a botched raid in Yemen on “the generals.”

He blamed the failure of his Trump Shuttle airline on the economy.

He blamed his failures in Atlantic City on two executives who died working for him.

Facing declining poll numbers and an utter failure to “drain the swamp” or repeal major Obama-era legislation, the president once again has resorted to playing the victim.

He remains, as one White House ally put it to The Post in May, “in the grip of some kind of paranoid delusion.”
Read the full memo here: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/10/her ... p-the-nsc/
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Termin8tor » 11 Aug 2017 8:24 pm » wrote:You've babbled dishonestly for months that he's "Putin's pet."
And every day he proves me right.
Termin8tor » 11 Aug 2017 8:24 pm » wrote:What has he done that's favorable to Putin, that's not in the interests of the US?
Rotsa ruck, psycho.
It's more what he hasn't done, than what he's done.
He never ever criticizes Putin for anything and it fact he praises him regularly.

Keep pretending that I am the only one who sees this jackass.
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You are an idiot. You really believe this ****? Really?

No wonder you were a postal worker. You need the union protection. You would have sunk in the real world.
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So The Golden Wrecking Ball calls the governor of Guam and tells him that he's going to be famous now and that tourism in Guam will go up because the nut who runs North Korea has threatened to blow up his island.

The cheese has definitely slipped off his cracker.
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European diplomats reportedly consider Trump a 'laughing stock' who is 'obsessed with Obama'

Foreign diplomats hold a less-than-flattering view of President Donald Trump, according to a BuzzFeed report published on Wednesday.

Top-ranking European officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told BuzzFeed that their chief concerns were Trump's unpredictable Twitter use and his erratic behavior.

Among other things, they also described the president as "something of a laughing stock" at international gatherings.

As one official described it to BuzzFeed, diplomats consider his vocabulary to be limited to so few words and phrases that they play a type of "word bingo" whenever he speaks.

"Everything is 'great'; 'very, very great', 'amazing'," one diplomat told BuzzFeed.

Trump's distinctive speaking style has been widely imitated, most notably by actor Alec Baldwin, who often parodies the president on NBC's "Saturday Night Live."

While mimicking Trump, Baldwin often incorporates words the president favors into his routines, like "tremendous," "amazing," and "incredible."
This would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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Misty » 11 Aug 2017 11:55 pm » wrote: This would be funny if it weren't so sad.

You're an idiot. Send this too peanut gallery and it will return, postal worker.
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Misty » 11 Aug 2017 12:01 pm » wrote:Trump: My threat to unleash “fire and fury” on North Korea was not “tough enough."
Military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded.

Secretary of Defense Mattis: The American effort is diplomatically led. It has diplomatic traction.
It is gaining diplomatic results. The tragedy of war is well enough known. It doesn't need another characterization beyond the fact that it would be catastrophic.

Trump. There are no mixed messages from our administration.
:die: :die: :die: :die: :die: :die: :die: :die:
Only in your mind there is mixed messages. You ignore who works for who. Teddy Roosevelt explained the concept. Speak softly but carry a big stick. Trump is explaining the big stick to N. Korea. You are completely demented about Trump!!!

You also ignore it was in response to N. Korea threatening to send nuclear missiles several places including California!!!

You are a ****!!!
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Misty » 11 Aug 2017 10:20 pm » wrote: And every day he proves me right.

It's more what he hasn't done, than what he's done.
He never ever criticizes Putin for anything and it fact he praises him regularly.

Keep pretending that I am the only one who sees this jackass.
Oh, so in your lunatic world, not doing one single on behalf of Putin makes him "Putin's Pet."

In contrast to non-Putin's pets Obama and HRC who caved to him.

You can't even tell believable lies, psycho. :rofl: :rofl:
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Misty » 11 Aug 2017 11:55 pm » wrote: European diplomats reportedly consider Trump a 'laughing stock' who is 'obsessed with Obama'


This would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Why should we care one bit what they think, Dim?

Those are the kind of people who were servile to the Soviet Union during the Cold War; who hated Reagan's courage to win it.
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This is why 45 is so nervous about Mueller looking into his financial dealings.
He has a very shady way of doing business.
Always has.
He regularly cheated people, in this case the city of New York.
"Unusual" accounting: Inside a Trump business audit.

NEW YORK -- In a three-sentence letter on April 22, 1987, Donald Trump signed off on a series of accounting changes that allowed his first hotel to shortchange New York City nearly $3 million in rent, city auditors later concluded.

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A decade before, Trump struck a unique deal freeing the hotel of $160 million in property taxes over the course of 40 years, while guaranteeing the city a small financial stake in its success: New York City received annual rent payments tied to the Grand Hyatt’s profits.

In 1986, the hotel had its best year, raking in nearly $80 million. City officials expected to receive at least as much as the $3.7 million paid the year before.

But a month after Trump and his partners signed off on the accounting changes, the city was paid just $667,155.

What followed was a two-year-long saga in which city auditors said they were met with stonewalling, disorganization and obfuscation at every turn.

Thirty years later, as the Republican nominee for president cites an IRS audit while refusing to release his tax returns, the Grand Hyatt case offers rare insight into what an audit of a Trump business can look like.

Experts asked by CBS News to examine the city auditor’s report, which was completed in 1989, described the behavior of hotel and Trump Organization officials as “unusual” and “unheard of.”

Karen Burstein, who was the city’s auditor general at the time, told CBS News she never forgot the case.

“Something was fishy there,” Burstein said referring to the hotel’s owners.

“This was not the behavior of an innocent party. I think that’s what became evident to us.”

The experts who examined her report say it detailed failures in basic bookkeeping, the seemingly sudden adoption of irregular accounting methods, and efforts to stymie officials.

Stonewalling

It was more than a year before city officials were allowed to step inside the Grand Hyatt.

On one occasion, a date was agreed on for the audit to begin, but cancelled the day before by hotel lawyers.

That law firm, Dreyer and Traub, represented Trump throughout the 1980s.

Certified public accountant Robert Tobey said auditors rarely face such delays.

“It’s one of those things you want closure on.

Why would you want this hanging over your head?” said Tobey, a partner at Perelson Weiner LLP, which audits corporations, hedge funds, private equity funds and non-profits.

“Stonewalling auditors is not a common practice. You want to make them go away.”

Yet Dreyer and Traub challenged city officials before they even got started, arguing that the city did not have a right to examine the hotel’s records.

Eventually, the law firm reversed course, but it was an early warning sign that this would not be a normal audit, experts said.

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Accountants are typically in charge in the early stages of an audit, and attorneys only show up at the end, if there’s a dispute, said certified public accountant John Lieberman, also of Perelson Weiner.

“It appears in this case, the attorneys came in almost with guns blazing, and said, ‘You’re not allowed to audit,’ which is a very, very unusual thing,” Lieberman said.

“I would say in 35 years I have never seen that type of thing.”

But it was what the city’s auditors discovered when they got inside the hotel that most surprised forensic accountant Rumbi Petrozzello.

Missing books

The amount of financial information simply missing was staggering.

For just the year 1986, the hotel, which was managed by the Hyatt Corporation, was unable to produce:

Seven of 12 monthly ledgers
Three of 12 detailed ledgers
25 of 87 income journals
One of five payroll cycles
26 of 84 expense vouchers

“That’s the stuff you’re expected to hold on to, for various reasons,” said Petrozzello, of Rock Financial Forensics, who along with Lieberman and Tobey, is a member of the New York State Society of Certified Public Accountants.

“Even if it’s for an IRS audit, what are you going to say, ‘I don’t keep scraps of paper.’”

But “scrap of paper” is exactly what the hotel called its guest checks, food receipts and other financial records in correspondence with auditors.

Keeping such basic information would be a “Herculean task” the hotel wrote in its response to the city’s audit.

The hotel also argued that its contract with the city did not require it to keep those records.

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Auditors were most concerned about the missing monthly ledgers, the records that should have detailed more than half a year of income and expenses.

The hotel said the ledgers were stored off-site, in a room in New Jersey that had been flooded.

Computerized records had been sent to an office in Chicago, where they were lost, the hotel said.

“Just inexcusable,” said Burstein.

Auditors also discovered that the hotel maintained “two capitalization policies in the same year,” allowing its accountants -- a soon-to-be bankrupt firm named Laventhol and Horwath -- to produce an in-house estimate of profits that was drastically different than what the city was given.

Generally Unacceptable Accounting Principles

Businesses typically calculate their revenues and expenses using one of two accounting methods, cash or accrual.

This is one of the marquee concepts of the Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP), a set of standards that guide the field.

In 1987, the Grand Hyatt decided to retroactively use both for the year before -- accounting for revenues on a cash basis and expenses on an accrual basis.

Auditors said the decision allowed the hotel to misrepresent its profits, an accusation the hotel denied, arguing that its contract with the city didn’t require it to follow GAAP.

“Until now, I have never come across a mixed method of income and expenses, where one is cash and the other is accrual,” said Petrozzello.

“It doesn’t make sense to work that way, because then your numbers are just misleading, in a way.”

That January, Laventhol and Horwath first calculated and certified the rent due to New York City, known as the percentage rental, at $3.3 million, roughly in keeping with the amount the Grand Hyatt had paid previously during the 1980s.

But days after they arrived at the $3.3 million figure, the hotel’s ownership partners -- Trump’s Wembley Realty and Grand Hyatt’s Refco Properties -- requested the accounting firm suggest ways to lower their tax and rent payments, according to a letter from Laventhol and Horwath included in the auditor’s final report.

The key was to argue that the hotel had profited less, even while revenues had increased.

The importance of profit in calculating the rent was explained by Burstein in a 1989 memo to then-Mayor Ed Koch:

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Laventhol and Horwath started by throwing out GAAP.

Using the mismatched cash and accrual methods, the accountants were able to lower the hotel’s reported profits enough to cut $1.1 million from the $3.3 million they originally certified.

But that wasn’t enough.

The firm then suggested a series of changes in the way the hotel expensed assets, such as furniture.

The hotel’s furnishings had always been regarded as having an eight-year lifespan, but suddenly the accountants changed that figure to six years.

The result was that the hotel could expense 25 percent more for every single fixture inside the massive, 26-floor building.

Similar changes were made for expensing freight charges, sales taxes, and labor costs.

Ultimately, Laventhol and Horwath needed to revise the hotel’s 1986 financial report three times before it was able to lower the total rent to $667,155, and the Trump-Hyatt partnership were finally willing to approve it for sending to the city.

Then Laventhol and Horwath violated GAAP one last time, the auditors said.

Accountants are supposed to certify financial reports when they are totally complete and no more changes are made.

Laventhol and Horwath sent its altered report in May 1987, but kept the original January certification date.

“The January date is therefore false; however, the accountants may have thought it protected them from questions about later recalculations that vary significantly from generally accepted auditing standards,” Burstein wrote in her memo to Koch.

Lawyers for New York City would later call the decision to keep the January certification date “a deliberate attempt “ to conceal accounting changes and “a fraud against the public,” a claim both the accountants and the Trump Organization denied.

Dealing with Trump’s people

Burstein said Trump Organization personnel actively engaged with her auditing team throughout the process.

“It was his people who were calling us all the time. It wasn’t anybody from Hyatt,” Burstein said.

City correspondence with the hotel’s ownership partners was sent to the Trump Organization, according to court documents.

And hotel officials tried to keep the audit from being made public, she said.

“They said, but this is Donald Trump ... I have to say they made an enormous fuss about it,” Burstein said.

In a letter written after the audit was completed, the hotel’s controller, Stan Blagojevic, wrote that he believed the auditors’ focus on the hotel “may relate to the presence of Donald Trump as one of the owners.”

Blagojevic wrote that his management company had been “extremely reluctant” to work in New York City, “a classic example of urban decay and municipal neglect,” until they “were persuaded to do so by the extraordinary vision of Donald J. Trump.”

Blagojevic, who passed away in 2004, was harshly critical of the audit.

“Rather than an objective and professional discussion of the audit’s findings and conclusions, the draft report is replete with diatribes, hyperbole and histrionics,” Blagojevic wrote.

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The accountants who reviewed Burstein’s work for CBS News all had a different take.

“It was probably one of the best reports I’ve ever read,” said Lieberman.

“You didn’t have to know anything about this backstory except to read what they did.

The history, the background, the principles, what happened, it’s all very clear.”

Trump said in a statement to CBS News that he doesn’t recall the audit.

“I sold the hotel many years ago for a tremendous profit.

By building the hotel I created thousands of jobs, saved the Grand Central area, and helped to revive a dying, at the time, New York City,” Trump said.

“The city was extremely happy with that development and you’re now bringing up something thirty years later that I’ve never heard about.”

The Hyatt Hotels Corporation declined to comment for this story.

Soon after Burstein’s report was filed, the Office of the Auditor General was among several city agencies shuttered as part of a series of budget cuts.

She went on to be a state court judge, before running as a Democratic candidate for state attorney general in 1994, when she lost to Republican Dennis Vacco.

State officials reviewed Burstein’s report in late 1989 and determined it was accurate.

They ordered the hotel to pay New York City about $2.9 million.

A month later, in January 1990, a Trump Organization official signed for the ownership partners on a lawsuit against the city and state.

The government filed a countersuit, and added Laventhol and Horwath as a defendant.

A year later the accounting firm filed for bankruptcy.

A judge ordered the case stayed during the bankruptcy proceedings, but a city clerk accidentally marked the case as disposed, according to court documents.

The city forgot about the case until 2000, when another clerk noticed the mistake.

In a new series of filings, the city and hotel -- which was no longer owned by Trump, who sold his stake in 1996 -- argued about whether the case could be continued.

Ultimately it was, and in 2004 the two sides reached a settlement. Its terms were not disclosed.

For the years after 1986, however, the percentage rental paid to the city again rose into the $3 million range, and continued to increase through 1999, when the hotel paid about $6.8 million.
"Trump said in a statement to CBS News that he doesn’t recall the audit.
The city was extremely happy with that development and you’re now bringing up something thirty years later that I’ve never heard about.”

Right.
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Misty » 12 Aug 2017 11:04 am » wrote:This is why 45 is so nervous about Mueller looking into his financial dealings.
He has a very shady way of doing business.
Always has.
He regularly cheated people, in this case the city of New York.
The trouble is, every time I've checked out a specific accusation you've made, it's been ****.


So why would anyone believe you now?

Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf, Dim?
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Termin8tor » 12 Aug 2017 11:01 am » wrote:Why should we care one bit what they think, Dim?
Last time I looked, Europeans were our allies.
Termin8tor » 12 Aug 2017 11:01 am » wrote:Those are the kind of people who were servile to the Soviet Union during the Cold War; who hated Reagan's courage to win it.
That's right.
Smear our allies and praise our enemies just like The Mascot of White Supremacy does.
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Misty » 12 Aug 2017 11:12 am » wrote:
Last time I looked, Europeans were our allies.
So what? Does that mean they have the courage to do what's right, against Iran for example?

No.

Yes, often the same kind of spineless allies Reagan had to prop up.

Allies some of whom were closer to Gorbachev than to Reagan.

That's right.
Smear our allies and praise our enemies just like The Mascot of White Supremacy does.
Blah, blah, blah, babbles the psycho. :loco:
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Termin8tor » 12 Aug 2017 11:10 am » wrote:The trouble is, every time I've checked out a specific accusation you've made, it's been ****.
So why would anyone believe you now?
Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf, Dim?
So you didn't even bother to read that story before your knee started jerking and you posted that reply.

Are you seriously that brainwashed that you refuse to even read anything negative about your Cheeto Jesus and just reflexively dismiss it?

Having lived most of my life in NYC, I am quite familiar with the way that 45 did business.
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Termin8tor » 12 Aug 2017 11:18 am » wrote:Blah, blah, blah, babbles the psycho. :loco:
Translation: I have nothing.
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