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The Trump Team’s Accusations Against Comey Are Prototypical Abuses of Power

They are particularly pernicious because of the White House’s attempts to involve the Justice Department.

This afternoon, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, from the White House podium, declared that former FBI Director James Comey may have “violated federal law” in sharing memos documenting his conversations with the president. She said:
While conceding it was “not up to [her] to decide,” Sanders opined, “the facts of the case are very clear” and that “the Department of Justice has to look into whether something’s illegal or not.”

This follows Sanders’s accusation Monday that Comey had given “false testimony,” another matter she suggested that the Justice Department should “look at.”

Then on Tuesday, she said that Comey’s “actions were improper and likely could have been illegal” and that while the ultimate decision to investigate Comey was for the Justice Department to make, “I think if there’s ever a moment where we feel someone has broken the law, particularly if they’re the head of the FBI, I think that’s something that certainly should be looked at.”

Life is too short to rebut every individual outrage or idiocy to emerge from the White House.

But Sanders’s remarks bear attention because they are clearly part of a coordinated plan to maliciously besmirch an individual.

After her first comment, Sanders had a day to think about it before making her Tuesday remarks.

After those, she had a day to think about it before making today’s comments, which appeared to come from a prepared text.

So this is not an impulsive, on-the-spot type slime job.

This is a deliberate, planned effort of the type that reflects the Trump White House’s considered views of how it should respond to Comey.

That is, with months to think about the matter, the White House has decided that it wants to respond to Comey’s testimony by falsely accusing him of criminal activity — and to offer no evidence to support its slanders.

It is a prototypical abuse of power — and particularly pernicious because of the White House’s attempts to involve the Justice Department in the project.

Sanders’ comments aren’t the first time the White House has attempted to suggest criminality on Comey’s part.

In June, Comey acknowledged during Senate testimony that he had prepared contemporaneous memos documenting his conversations with President Donald Trump — including the president’s efforts to persuade him to drop the investigation into former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.

Following his dismissal, Comey said he shared those memos with a friend and instructed that individual to share the memos with members of the press.

The revelations of Trump’s conduct led to the appointment of Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller.

Shortly following Comey’s testimony, Trump tweeted, “Despite so many false statements and lies, total and complete vindication…and WOW, Comey is a leaker!”

Trump’s personal lawyer, Marc Kasowitz, then made statements characterizing the disclosures as “unauthorized” and saying the materials in questions were “privileged.”

He then, unprompted, said, “We will leave it the appropriate authorities to determine whether this leaks should be investigated along with all those others being investigated.”

The conservative press snapped to attention and began running Comey leaks stories, including false ones that suggested the memos were classified.

And a few days ago, the Wall Street Journal ran a story noting that Trump’s lawyers had argued before Mueller that Comey was an unreliable witness: “Another memo submitted the same month outlined why Mr. Comey would make an unsuitable witness, calling him prone to exaggeration, unreliable in congressional testimony and the source of leaks to the news media, these people said.”

Sanders acknowledged today that she is “certainly not an attorney.”

Indeed she is not.

Her comments evince no more legal literacy than they do decency or propriety.

Susan and Tim Edgar previously addressed the issues of possible legality back in June:
Sanders now posits a legal theory that the earlier piece never even bothered to consider: that Comey has violated the Privacy Act.

It’s hard to fully unpack Sanders’s allegation here, but in general, the Privacy Act bars the disclosure of any record — on the contents of any record — which is contained within a federal system of records that identifies a specific individual without his or her prior written consent.

While we do not know precisely what Comey’s memos contained, they do include identifiable references to the president and his staff.

The problem here is that the mere fact these memos were prepared on an FBI computer doesn’t make them records within the definition of the act.

For Privacy Act purposes, records are things like fingerprints, educational, medical, investigative records, or financial data associated with individuals.

It’s hard to even understand the argument for how Comey’s memory about his conversation with the President qualifies as a record, even if he jotted it down while in his office.

And Sanders does not event attempt to describe whose Privacy Act rights might be at issue.

Sanders mingles this theory with the notion that the memos were related to an ongoing investigation as well as the idea Comey wrote were FBI property and that he had an obligation to respect his employment agreement.

This second claim is more plausible — though unclear — and sharing such material outside the bureau might, if Comey were still working at the FBI, theoretically be grounds for some kind of administrative action against him.

Preserving leverage to prevent such disclosures might have been a great argument for not firing him.

But it doesn’t make the disclosure illegal, let alone criminal.

It also doesn’t make the disclosure unethical or immoral.

Here’s a hint for the president in the future: If you want your employees to keep your confidences on nonclassified matters, a good rule of thumb is that you shouldn’t fire them and then lie about them in public.

Sanders is not the only member of Trump’s team advancing this particular line of attack.

Today, Trump attorney, Jay Sekulow, tweeted:
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We can answer that question for him: No, it won’t.

Casting aspersions on the behavior or veracity of key witnesses is more norm than exception in defense lawyering.

What is different here is that Trump is using the office of the presidency to bully, defame, and discredit his credits and bolster his own defense.

Frivolously accusing individuals of crimes and then threatening them with Justice Department action by stating that the Justice Department should investigate their conduct is not acceptable White House behavior.

It is not merely a gross civil liberties violation with respect to the individuals.

It also threatens the integrity of law enforcement, by effectively directing law enforcement action against a disfavored individual — in this case, one who has already given derogatory testimony about the president and is expected to do so in the future.

It’s what Trump threatened to do throughout the campaign when he promised prosecution of his opponent.

This is what it looks like when the White House itself plays in these waters.

It’s the stuff of petty strongman dictatorships for the president to pronounce an individual guilty of a crime without having to proffer any evidence, offer a legal theory, or convince a jury.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/13/the ... power/amp/
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In other non Debby Downer news.


Supreme Court: Trump admin can keep travel ban on most refugees

Updated 6:57 PM ET, Tue September 12, 2017


Without comment, the court blocked a federal appeals court ruling from last week that would have exempted refugees who have a contractual commitment from resettlement organizations from the travel ban while the justices consider its legality. The ruling could impact roughly 24,000 people

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/12/politics/ ... index.html
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People in this country are suffering terribly and what is he Tweeting about?

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Misty » 14 Sep 2017 12:33 am » wrote:People in this country are suffering terribly and what is he Tweeting about?
good thing he did what he was supposed to do about the suffering before he tweeted.......meanwhile, people are suffering and Hillary gets $1200 for letting people watch her eat.....
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Misty » 14 Sep 2017 12:33 am » wrote:People in this country are suffering terribly and what is he Tweeting about?

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"People in this country are suffering terribly and what is he Tweeting about?"


Like you posting "Orange" and "small hands"? lol

BTW..."Orange is the new Black". ;)
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Misty » 13 Sep 2017 6:03 pm » wrote: Another lie.
I know you like to call everyone who does not agree with you (including me) an atheist, but I have never denied God.
Sorry. You don't get to tell me what I believe.
I was referring to the progressive attitude of most not believing in God. An event occurred recently that has religious consequences. We had an eclipse go complete across the continental US. The last time that happened a disaster followed after some time for that country. This was recorded in the Bible and secular history. The Bible stated the eclipse was a warning from God to repent or suffer the consequences. They suffered the consequences. Looks like this country is to atheistic to repent. This country started out as a Christian b nation. Atheists more and more have taken over the country and now are significantly a large majority even denying our Christian roots. Looks like God has had enough. It's going to get ugly.
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PostmodernProphet » 14 Sep 2017 6:01 am » wrote:good thing he did what he was supposed to do about the suffering before he tweeted.......
So you have no problem with a POTUS who is still obsessing over the election and who calls people childish names like 'Crooked Hillary?'
Silly me. I like my presidents to act a little more presidential.
PostmodernProphet » 14 Sep 2017 6:01 am » wrote:meanwhile, people are suffering and Hillary gets $1200 for letting people watch her eat.....
She's a private citizen now, so she's free to make as much money as she wants as long as it's legal.
That's the free market at work.
:rofl:
But just out of curiosity who is paying her $1200 to watch her eat?
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Sgt Bilko » 14 Sep 2017 9:54 am » wrote:I was referring to the progressive attitude of most not believing in God.
And you painted me with that same big broad brush.
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Misty » 14 Sep 2017 3:56 pm » wrote: So you have no problem with a POTUS who is still obsessing over the election and who calls people childish names like 'Crooked Hillary?'
Silly me. I like my presidents to act a little more presidential.
did you want them 'Crooked'?.....

But just out of curiosity who is paying her $1200 to watch her eat?
demmycrats......
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Misty » 11 Mar 2011 1:42 pm » wrote:August 30th, 2016
Taking my thread back from Clem, Huey and Bilko today.

(Formerly the The Mean Girl's Club
The Home of Clem, Huey and Bilko.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqg4taiLRRE
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Misty » 14 Sep 2017 3:58 pm » wrote: And you painted me with that same big broad brush.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck just maybe it is a duck.
I go by the attitude you use in posting about subjects.
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Misty » 14 Sep 2017 3:56 pm » wrote: So you have no problem with a POTUS who is still obsessing over the election and who calls people childish names like 'Crooked Hillary?'
Silly me. I like my presidents to act a little more presidential.
She's a private citizen now, so she's free to make as much money as she wants as long as it's legal.
That's the free market at work.
:rofl:
But just out of curiosity who is paying her $1200 to watch her eat?
Hillary worked hard to earn that name.
Lied about Benghazi after sending men to their deaths.
Email server containing classified data outside of the government firewalls.
Tell lies about hearing gunfire after landing in a foreign airport.
Etc. etc. etc.

She is a congenital liar being caught lying about large and small issues.
Crooked Hillary fits Misty!!!
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Misty » 12 Sep 2017 8:23 pm » wrote: Probably the biggest lie you've ever told.
I do not HATE anything or anybody Conservative.
**** you, psycho, I've never see one single positive thing you've written about a conservative, unless they were selling out on something.

All you do is viciously and dishonestly attack principled conservatives.

What a complete and utter lie.
]I voted for John Kasich in the 2016 Primary, whom I believe is quite Conservative.
Just like Kasich has sold out, the squish.
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Misty » 12 Sep 2017 9:41 pm » wrote: (That's assuming you consider Trump supporters Conservative. I don't really.
Almost everything Trump is doing or has promised is conservative, Dim, so what would you call his supporters, martians? :rofl:

No, you'll like and smear us, like you do almost all conservatives.
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Misty » 12 Sep 2017 2:24 pm » wrote: No, he knows his listeners are as dumb as a box of rocks and will take whatever he says as gospel.
Anyone with a little knowledge knows this is ****. Even liberal sources who'd spread this falsehood for years finally admitted just about the opposite is true.

But I don't recall you EVER admitting a single lie you've told.

Psycho. :loco:
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Misty » 13 Sep 2017 5:58 pm » wrote:Another false wingnut accusation blows up in their face.
:die: :die: :die: :die: :die: :die: :die: :die:
Reasons to act illegally. Progressism at its best!!!
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Once again taking credit for something he didn't do.

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Final Border Fence Panel Installed in Naco
Release Date: May 9, 2017

TUCSON, Ariz. – Granite Construction crews installed the final border fence panel earlier today, completing the replacement of an estimated 7.5 miles of outdated primary pedestrian fencing along the U.S-Mexico border near Arizona’s Naco Port of Entry.

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Plans for the replacement fencing began four years ago, and funding was approved last year as part of the 2016 fiscal budget.

The overall project, which includes replacement fencing, road improvements, and improvements to low water crossings, is expected to be completed next month.

The replacement fence creates greater impedance to illegal crossings, and improves situational awareness of illicit activities along the immediate border.
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Termin8tor » 15 Sep 2017 5:26 am » wrote:**** you, psycho, I've never see one single positive thing you've written about a conservative, unless they were selling out on something.
All you do is viciously and dishonestly attack principled conservatives.
What a complete and utter lie. Just like Kasich has sold out, the squish.
ROFL, anyone who doesn't kowtow to your Great Orange Hope is now a 'squish.'

It's laughable to say that John Kasich is NOT a principled Conservative.
He's a whole lot more principled than you are, that's for sure.

You voted for the guy who is now kissing up to Chuck and Nancy.
How does that feel?
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Sgt Bilko » 15 Sep 2017 1:23 pm » wrote:
:die: :die: :die: :die: :die: :die: :die: :die:
Reasons to act illegally. Progressism at its best!!!
Except she didn't act illegally.
Ask Representatives Trey Gowdy (R) orTom Rooney (R).
The people who may have acted illegally were the ones trying to set up a secret back channel to Moscow/Putin.
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GOP Congressman says Democrats behind Charlottesville rally.

The violent neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, last month was nothing more than “a total hoax” orchestrated by liberals who supported Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, according to a hard-right Republican representative.

“It’s all baloney,” Dana Rohrabacher told the San Francisco Chronicle, speaking of the rally where police said a car driven by a white supremacist injured 19 and killed counterprotester Heather Heyer.
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