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Misty » 12 Sep 2017 1:54 pm » wrote: So I guess you also believe that the warnings about Hurricane Irma were a scam to promote a climate change agenda and boost bottled water sales, because that is what he said.
Did you see the satellite images of the storm?

Chris Ladd who describes himself as a recovering Republican writes in Forbes that Limbaugh is 'an entertainer who has built a fabulously lucrative career by confirming your bigoted uncle’s political delusions.'

That's a perfect description of him.

Misty » 17 Sep 2017 2:48 pm » wrote:We have a president who retweets something posted by someone with the Twitter handle '@Fuctupmind'
which shows him assaulting Hillary Clinton and knocking her down with a golfball.
SAD!

Ricky Tavy » 20 Sep 2017 6:47 pm » wrote: Luckily for you, the dumbassery that buttresses your lack of self-awareness protects you from seeing your neon hypocrisy, crybaby. Your next bit of supported substance will be your first.

Ricky Tavy » 20 Sep 2017 7:14 pm » wrote:
Thank you for responding to my criticism about a lack of substance from your whiny hypocritical ***. That was your most enlightening post yet.

crimsongulf » 20 Sep 2017 7:25 pm » wrote:
Glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.

Cannonpointer » 20 Sep 2017 7:34 pm » wrote:You gotta link me to where these barbs are coming form!

Cannonpointer » 20 Sep 2017 7:34 pm » wrote:You gotta link me to where these barbs are coming form!

crimsongulf » 20 Sep 2017 7:37 pm » wrote:
I am sitting back here on cruise control having a very very nice pappy 2 fingers on the rocks watching that ******* lil prick run like his head is on fire and his *** is catching.

Since I am retired I have decided that I am going to run his gimlet *** off.

Huey » 20 Sep 2017 5:30 pm » wrote: Really psycho? All I have to do is enter your threads or clover your profile and you will go off the deep end.
Jerking your chain and watching you whine is highly entertaining.
Night like you are capable of duscussing real issues, psycho.

Cannonpointer » 20 Sep 2017 5:45 pm » wrote:I do. It was quite a bump - and a tiny, tiny bit more things than bottled water were sold out.
Batteries. Generators. Candles. Propane. Propane cook stoves. Gasoline. Guns and ammo. Plywood. Lumber. Tarps. Tents. Lanterns. Shovels. Flashlights. Battery operated radios. Emergency food supplies, especially unrefrigerated staples.
The infotainment industry doesn't really even PRETEND it doesn't try to drive sales any more, so this is hardly a conspiracy theory.

Cannonpointer » 20 Sep 2017 5:45 pm » wrote:Try watching your regular programs on black friday eve (Thanksgiving), and get back to me on how that went. When football ends, "programming" about sales begin - wall to wall.

Misty » 20 Sep 2017 7:58 pm » wrote: So who is it exactly that is conspiring

Cannonpointer » 20 Sep 2017 7:59 pm » wrote:No need to keep reading.
The jews.

Misty » 20 Sep 2017 8:01 pm » wrote: Those damn Jews!

Under the latest Republican bill, states could get a waiver allowing insurers to charge people more if they or a dependent have a pre-existing condition, or if they get sick and want to keep their insurance.

The key provision in the bill has vague language requiring a state to first show how it "intends to maintain access to adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals with pre-existing conditions."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... t-pay-more

Trump Supporters And The Milgram Effect

August 26, 2016

Nineteen sixty-one was a remarkable year.

In the U.S., Freedom Riders were progressing the cause of civil rights and Kennedy was dreaming about the moon.

Humans, for the first time, sailed with the stars and orbited our planet.

Around the world, the Cold War was ramping up its ferocity, walls were being built in Berlin, and two nations were flexing their nuclear arms.

Against this backdrop, in a small laboratory at Yale, a young psychologist would revolutionize our concept of obedience and authority.

Stanley Milgram was all of 28 years old and had just completed his Ph.D. in the burgeoning field of Social Psychology.

Milgram's interest in obedience to authority reflected another major event from one year earlier: the trial of Adolf Eichmann.

Milgram grew up a Jew during an era of severe persecution, culminating in the mass murder of millions of Jews across Europe.

Following WWII, many people, including Milgram, asked how so many people would willingly participate in the mass slaughter of millions of innocent people.

Eichmann was one of the principle determinants of the Holocaust and during his trial would claim that he was only "guilty of having been obedient."

Though he would hang for his role in perpetrating the Holocaust, he was just one of many who would claim that they were just following commands.

But to what extent does obedience to authority really explain blind devotion?

And can such blind devotion really happen on such a large scale?

Thus, Stanley Milgram developed a social experiment to test the boundaries of obedience to authority.

Volunteers were solicited under the guise of testing memory and learning.

Once in Milgram's lab, these volunteers were asked to test the memory of a second participant, the "student" (an actor).

With every wrong answer, the volunteer was to administer increasingly painful electrical shocks to the student.

Despite shouts of pain and requests to stop, the volunteer was prodded to continue (it was unknown to the volunteer that the shocks were not real) up to a maximum of 450-volts.

Surprisingly, 65 percent of participants continued to shock up to the maximum.

There were no predictable traits for those who continued to obey.

Education or social status had no effect on the final result.

As Milgram wrote, "for many persons obedience may be a deeply ingrained behavior tendency, indeed, a prepotent impulse overriding training in ethics, sympathy and moral conduct."

Return to present day and our current presidential election battle.

Donald Trump's inexplicable rise has effectively been a nation-wide Milgram experiment.

He is not particularly presidential, he lacks concrete understanding of policy, and he has not generated any detailed plans about how he might run the country.

But to the constituents who support him, none of this matters.

His authority is based on the image he projects and, much like Milgram's experiment, it is irrelevant whether this image is based in reality or not.

Unlike previous presidential candidates, Mr. Trump's name has celebrity and staying power.

His is a household name and one which, for the mainstream person who knows little about him, is synonymous with success and authority.

His trademark line "You're Fired!" commands obedience.

And his followers have already demonstrated that they will continue to increase the "shock" as long as The Donald will take responsibility for it.

Mr. Trump's supporters fall almost universally into what Milgram called an "agentic" state in which a person allows another individual to take responsibility for, and dictate the direction of, their actions.

They rationalize and attempt to validate the actions of their authority figure.

We need not be limited to our current election cycle to see the real world effects of blindly following the Pied Piper.

The Venezuelans followed Chavez off of the cliff and the Cubans, Castro.

Hitler moved the masses with aggressive propaganda, hate-filled speech and repetition of false themes.

When Mr. Trump threatens to excise Muslims from this country or to build walls to prevent immigrants from entering, when he harangues veterans for their sacrifices while extolling the virtues of dictators and oligarchs, when he says that he alone can "fix" America, he is placing the world in the electrical chair and prodding the American masses to keep ramping up the volts.

Mr. Trump's rhetoric and intentions are profoundly concerning.

The greatest danger, however, is our willingness to blindly obey.

We must overcome this now so we will not regret it later.

roadkill » 20 Sep 2017 8:12 pm » wrote:**** **** **** on MSNBC. lol
"MSNBC star Lawrence O'Donnell has epic meltdown at staff in leaked video"
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... video.html

Misty » 20 Sep 2017 10:33 pm » wrote:Trump supporters and the Milgram effect

Blind obedience.
A lot of that around here in the fever swamps.