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Huey » 08 Oct 2017 3:25 pm » wrote:Furthermore, those were not military assault weapons. Those were semi automatic sport weapons. No different in function than a ruger mini 14. Are you gonna ban every semi automatic weapon?

Huey » 08 Oct 2017 3:55 pm » wrote: Again, what law would have prevented the Vegas massacre?

Misty » 08 Oct 2017 3:57 pm » wrote: I'm not going to argue with you about what is or is not an assault weapon.
That's just the usual attempt at deflection by people like you who tell us that unless we are gun experts, we are not entitled to an opinion on this subject.

I'll go by the definition used in the 1994 law.

The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified a definition of an assault weapon.

It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:

a folding or telescoping stock
a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
a bayonet mount
a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
a grenade launcher

Misty » 08 Oct 2017 4:07 pm » wrote: The usual red herring.
Never mind all the other shootings that take place every day.

Misty » 08 Oct 2017 2:46 pm » wrote: Are you really that obtuse?
Yes, the city of Chicago has very strict gun laws but people only need to take a drive over the state line to buy a gun, so the local laws are useless.
Only a federal law would address this issue, and Democrats don't run anything.

And I don't know WTF you think I could do about it.

indago » 08 Oct 2017 4:14 pm » wrote: "Only a federal law would address this issue"

We already have "a federal law"

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Huey » 08 Oct 2017 4:19 pm » wrote: So what is your solution? You already have federal law regulating gun purchases across state lines. That’s being broken. So a federal crime is being committed as well as state and local laws.

indago » 08 Oct 2017 4:31 pm » wrote: Solution to what?

Huey » 08 Oct 2017 4:32 pm » wrote: Gun violence. Mass shootings

indago » 08 Oct 2017 4:36 pm » wrote: Why is there "Gun violence. Mass shootings"?

Huey » 08 Oct 2017 4:54 pm » wrote: Why is there? Hate, mental illness, who knows?

Misty » 08 Oct 2017 2:46 pm » wrote: Are you really that obtuse?
Yes, the city of Chicago has very strict gun laws but people only need to take a drive over the state line to buy a gun, so the local laws are useless.
Only a federal law would address this issue, and Democrats don't run anything.

And I don't know WTF you think I could do about it.

Misty » 08 Oct 2017 3:47 pm » wrote: The laws should be uniform from state to state, IOW a federal law.
Nothing will change as long as we have this hodge podge of state laws.

Also we should reinstate the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.

Misty » 08 Oct 2017 3:20 pm » wrote:Hmmm.........Maybe Chicago gun laws are not so strict after all.

A decade ago that was indeed a title Chicago wore proudly.
We were the only major city that still had an ordinance banning residents from keeping a handgun in their home.
The handgun ban made us the primary target of the National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment Foundation, and in 2010 the U.S. Supreme Court forced Chicago to fall into line with the rest of the country.
Since then, the courts have peeled off so many layers of our once stellar gun ordinance that it’s barely recognizable.
We’re still maneuvering to keep gun stores and shooting ranges from opening in the city limits.
But the courts have ruled against us on that, too, so we know it’s just a matter of time.

Misty » 07 Oct 2017 1:22 pm » wrote: Try this on for size.

US lost 33,000 jobs in Sept, vs 90,000 jobs increase expected.
This is the first time the U.S. economy has lost jobs since September 2010 – seven years ago.

The Surge In Optimism Nobody Wants To Talk About
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Economy: Just before Friday's mixed-bag jobs report came out, a survey showed that manufacturers' optimism is at its highest level in decades. This is part of a broad and sustained trend that has gone largely unremarked.

Autoplay: On | OffThe National Association of Manufacturers reports that for the first three quarters of this year, an average of 90.9% of manufacturers said they were positive about their own company's outlook,
the highest three-quarter reading in the survey's 20-year history, according to NAM.

By contrast, just 59.8% of manufacturers had a positive outlook in the first three quarters of last year.

This is a stunning turnaround in optimism. But it's hardly the only example.

Gallup's investor optimism index hit a 17-year high in September. And Gallup's weekly economic confidence index has been in positive territory since November 2016, after being in negative territory for all but a handful of weeks since 2008.

The Conference Board's Consumer Confidence Index dipped in September to 119.8, but was still up 20% from its 2016 average.

The University of Michigan's Index of Consumer Sentiment has averaged 96.2 so far this year, compared with 91.4 over the same time period last year. In fact, you have to go back to 2004 to find another nine-month stretch where the index was in the mid-to-high 90s.

The Small Business Optimism Index has averaged 104.9 through August, according to the National Federation of Independent Business. That's up nearly 12% from the year before. More than a quarter of small businesses say the next three months will be a "good time to expand," compared with 9% who said that a year ago.

In September, the IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index marked its 12th straight month in positive territory, the first time that's happened in 12 years. The index stood at 53.4 in September. Last year it averaged 48.6. (Anything below 50 is pessimistic.)

The stock market, which is one of the best optimism indexes out there — since people are voting with their own money — has been at historic highs as well. The Dow Jones industrial average closed the week at 22,771.64. That's up 14% for the year, and 24.5% compared with a year ago.

It is important to note that all these indexes — all of them — started to rocket upward after November 2016.

What could have happened to have caused this jump in optimism, we wonder?
http://www.investors.com/politics/edito ... der-trump/

indago » 08 Oct 2017 7:01 pm » wrote:
Well, if you can't resolve those issues, then you can't have a solution.

Misty » 08 Oct 2017 3:20 pm » wrote:Hmmm.........Maybe Chicago gun laws are not so strict after all.

Misty » 08 Oct 2017 2:46 pm » wrote: Are you really that obtuse?
Yes, the city of Chicago has very strict gun laws but people only need to take a drive over the state line to buy a gun, so the local laws are useless.
Only a federal law would address this issue, and Democrats don't run anything.

And I don't know WTF you think I could do about it.

Huey » 09 Oct 2017 8:10 am » wrote:Until the left realizes that overwhelming majority of guns used in crime are obtained illegally nothing is going change. You can write all the laws you want short of banning firearms and guess what? Nothing is going is going to change.

You can ban a RIfle because it has accoutrements that make it look evil, like a military military weapon, and it is still a semi automatic sport rifle used for hunting. A bayonet mount, flash suppressor, pistol grip, etc do not make it an Assault Rifle. The AR in AR 15 doesn't make it Assault Rifle. Hell, that doesn't even stand for Assault Rifle.

Limiting the number of guns one owns won't stop mass shooting ethers. The VA Tech Shooter killed 32 people with only TWO GUNS. Neither were what the left calls assault rifles. Both were handguns. A Glock, and Walther. And VA Tech was/is a gun free zone.

Bump stock bans probably won't stop them either. First, you can bump fire a weapon with out any help. Two, they are not very good. They cause jams, and are not very accurate. As I understand it they are called spray and pray. Pray you hit what you are aiming at. They were designed to help those with physical problems so they could shoot. Made it easier to pull the trigger. Although I do agree if true automatic weapons are so hard to get they are effectively banned these should be as well.

I don't know what the solution is. But I am fairly certain that laws that don't address the problem that are knee jerk reactions designed to make it look like something is being done aren't gonna work either.