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And specifically which side of the legislature is responsible for appropriations? And did they not offer an appropriation bill that would have kept government running?So in reality, if the house is doing their job who is shutting down government, Jackhole?Congress has failed to pass any appropriations bills for fiscal year 2014.They offered a continuing resolution that contained a poison pill which they knew was a non-starter.You don't change a law by holding the government hostage.You change a law by winning elections and taking control of the legislature and the White House.Republicans haven't been able to do that, so they will hold their breath until they get their way, like petulant little children.What if the Senate sent a CR to the House that contained gun legislation?Would that be okay with you?You'd probably have a hissy fit.

Laugh ****...You seem very grouchy and irritable.Try removing the Magic Eight Ball from your ***.You might feel better.

GOP Colleagues Angry With Ted Cruz Ted Cruz faced a barrage of hostile questions Wednesday from angry GOP senators, who lashed the Texas tea party freshman for helping prompt a government shutdown crisis without a strategy to end it. At a closed-door lunch meeting in the Senate's Mansfield Room, Republican after Republican pressed Cruz to explain how he would propose to end the bitter budget impasse with Democrats, according to senators who attended the meeting. A defensive Cruz had no clear plan to force an end to the shutdown - or explain how he would defund Obamacare, as he has demanded all along, sources said. Things got particularly heated when Cruz was asked point-blank if he would renounce attacks waged on GOP senators by the Senate Conservatives Fund, an outside group that has aligned itself closely with the Texas senator. Cruz's response: "I will not," according to an attendee. Read more: http://www.politico....l#ixzz2ghcLtqeE I wonder how long it will be before Cruz is found in bed with either a dead hooker or a live young boy?

How did I mis-represent my own source, when that is exactly what I posted? Do you know how to read? The intent was to do both. Walden said the Tea Party's organizational strength meant that Republicans had to shutdown the government AND obstruct a debt-ceiling increase. He said nothing about shutting down the government only IF it was necessary to stop Obama's spending. Riddle me this Jackhole, how much money can Obama spend that has not been appropriated by Congress? They have the checkbook, not him. By ignoring the real reason they were willing to allow a government shutdown. The Tea Party doesn't want the government shut down. What would be the point of that, troll? They want to rein in Obama's and Dems' out of control deficit spending. As your own source said, Walden....reportedly told a group of top Republican donors that the Tea Party’s organizational strength meant that Republicans had to shutdown the government and obstruct a debt-ceiling increase. Meaning they want that as a negotiating tool to lower Obama's $600 billion annual deficit. Do you know how to read? The intent was to do both. I've read about the Tea Party's goals for years, and no one wants to shut down the government. They are willing to do so, if that's what it takes to control Obama's and Democrats's leftist agenda. But you're a troll and will lie no matter what the actual facts are.

You seem very grouchy and irritable. Try removing the Magic Eight Ball from your ***. You might feel better. Your sophomoronic comment fails to successfully refute the rebuttal I posted that defeated your last childish argument...

Your sophomoronic comment fails to successfully refute the rebuttal I posted that defeated your last childish argument... I guess it's not sophomoric or childishto call someone anunattractive ****. LOL

"Unfortunately, Congress consistently brings the government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. This brinkmanship threatens the holders of government bonds and those who rely on Social Security and veterans benefits. Interest rates would skyrocket, instability would occur in financial markets, and the federal deficit would soar. The United States has a special responsibility to itself and the world to meet its obligations. It means we have a well-earned reputation for reliability and credibility -- two things that set us apart from much of the world." Tis the way now MB. Blame is abundant on both sides.

Misty, on 03 Oct 2013 - 18:03, said:How did I mis-represent my own source, when that is exactly what I posted?By ignoring the real reason they were willing to allow a government shutdown. The Tea Party doesn't want the government shut down. What would be the point of that, troll?I ignored nothing.Walden gave the real reason when he said that they had to shutdown the government because that's what the Tea Party wanted.You are reading something into the story that is not there.The Teabaggers absolutely wanted this shutdown.They campaigned on it in 2010, and were positively giddy when the deadline came and went.Michele Bachmann said they were 'very excited' that they got exactly what they wanted and Rep. John Abney (R-Texas) said, "It's wonderful," while clapping his hands.So stop lying and saying that the teabaggers didn't want this shutdown.They wanted it, they got it, they own it.

I ignored nothing. Walden gave the real reason when he said that they had to shutdown the government because that's what the Tea Party wanted. You are reading something into the story that is not there. It's very, very simple. Which party wants to shut down the government?The party that funded all of it? Or the party that refused to even vote on that legislation in the Senate? And the president who promised to veto it and any partial funding bill? That's so simple and obvious, you'll have to bleat some very good lies to avoid admitting it.

"Unfortunately, Congress consistently brings the government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. This brinkmanship threatens the holders of government bonds and those who rely on Social Security and veterans benefits. Interest rates would skyrocket, instability would occur in financial markets, and the federal deficit would soar. The United States has a special responsibility to itself and the world to meet its obligations. It means we have a well-earned reputation for reliability and credibility -- two things that set us apart from much of the world."Tis the way now MB. Blame is abundant on both sides.False moral equivalence.Did the Senate send the House a bill with gun legislation in it?No. It was the House that put a poison pill into their bill.

False moral equivalence. Did the Senate send the House a bill with gun legislation in it? No. It was the House that put a poison pill into their bill. What an absurd comparison. Obama has already delayed many parts of his horrific health care plan. And the Senate voted 80 to something in a symbolic vote to cancel the tax on health care devices. So delaying the Individual Mandate and this tax isn't a "poison pill." Obama and Dems are stonewalling because they think they can gain politically from this.They're screwing much of the country and threatening our economy to win seats.

The constant cries of Democratic voter fraud, are a diversionary tactic used by the right to deflect attention away from their regular practice of election fraud, and voter supression, which are much more serious. Those tactics affect thousands of votes, not just one vote here or there. I love how you guys keep throwing that out there, but never bother to post any proof of all this rampant voter fraud. You just repeat what you've been told like a good little flying monkey. Under George W. Bush the DOJ launched something they called their “voter integrity” initiative in 2002. They were intent on exposing all this supposed Democratic voter fraud. As of 2007 the DOJ's own statistics showed that of 87 ballot-fraud convictions obtained within those five years, 17 were for noncitizen voting and another 6 were for multiple voting. Most of the cases involved vote-buying schemes hatched by local politicians in Kentucky, West Virginia and elsewhere. But the voter fraud folklore serves its purpose. It enables Republicans to push through state requirements for photos and other forms of voter identification, rules that depress turnout and impact elderly and minority voters, that is, Democrats. This is the real fraud. Why are liberal women bitter...gee, what could it be?

Why are liberal women bitter...gee, what could it be? Uh,, because they were unsuccessful in their many attempts to castrate their husbands?

I guess it's not sophomoric or childishto call someone anunattractive ****. LOL Not when they deserve it! (I am laughing out loud)

I am laughing out loud.I'm sure you do that a lot at very inappropriate times, and for no particular reason.You must be such an embarassment to your family.

Congress has failed to pass any appropriations bills for fiscal year 2014.They offered a continuing resolution that contained a poison pill which they knew was a non-starter.You don't change a law by holding the government hostage.You change a law by winning elections and taking control of the legislature and the White House.Republicans haven't been able to do that, so they will hold their breath until they get their way, like petulant little children.What if the Senate sent a CR to the House that contained gun legislation?Would that be okay with you?You'd probably have a hissy fit. 1. Republicans won elections in 2010 and 2012. 2. They won control of the house in 2010 and maintained that control in 2012. 3. The constitution gives the President control of the military and control of the executive branch. The senate has the power to advise and consent on executive appointments, represent the interest of their states, etc. And the house has the power of the purse. All spending and revenue generating bills are supposed to start in the house. It is called seperation of powers and was done deliberately. 4. There are two types of bills. An authorization bill which gives the authority for a program or department. The other is an appropriations bill which funds a department or program. Two separate bills with two separate votes. Just because a bill was authorized does not mean, in theory, it will be funded. Keep in mind things like immigration with Reagan and bush. Sure, many things were AUTHORIZED, but they were not funded. 5. So your spiel about winning is inaccurate. They have own elections. And those elections have consequences. As a matter of fact the 2010 election were historic. A complete overturn in the house. 680 or so state legislative seats. 30 or so governor seats. A complete turn around in the amount of state legislatures controlled by repubs and in states where they control all 3. 6. Those elections are direct democratic votes where majority wins. The presidential election is not. So it seems the conservatives can win elections.

Why are liberal women bitter...gee, what could it be?Why are Conservative men so silly and superficial....gee, what could it be?

Why are Conservative men so silly and superficial....gee, what could it be? Compared to board liberals? You're kidding, right?

Yea, EC mentioned this in one of his threads. It's scarey that this article predicts that they'll hold up the debt limit also.