Liberal Forum

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:05 am » wrote:

larryc12 » 17 Jan 2018 10:27 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 9:56 pm » wrote:Where did little Miss Marxist go?
I'm absolutely sure she'd admit being wrong.
Sure, right.

The woman is absolutely NUTS! It's hard to imagine her being this mentally hampered, but damn if it isn't so.

Nice tongue bath.
That's really funny.

I guess you don't read many of Clem's posts, or should I say rants.
They read like the Unabomber's manifesto.

Do you agree with Clem that former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough 'isn't and perhaps never has been a conservative?'

Or that the founder and editor of The Weekly Standard, William Kristol 'gave up true Conservatism many years ago?'

He says crap like that and you say I'm the one who's nuts?


Isn't it ironic how the very same Conservatives/Republicans that Clem once had great respect for, he now throws under the bus, because they do not support the person in the WH, who for most of his life was a Liberal Democrat.

You just described yourself in many ways. Your rants include make believe about Trump. You are obsessed with him. Reality escapes you in your demented hatred.

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:

Misty » 16 Jan 2018 1:47 pm » wrote:I don't understand how ripping families apart like this will make America great again.
Garcia is not a 'bad hombre.'
He has no criminal record.
He was supporting his family and paying his taxes.
Now his family has lost their breadwinner.
His deportation destroys a family, and benefits no one.

Why did your party allow this to happen? Chain immigration and the Immigration Lottery badly need to be ended. Your party has refused.
If Democrats allowed that, this guy might well have been allowed to stay.

WTF does this case have to do with chain immigration or the visa lottery?
This man was brought to this country as a child.
He has lived here for 30 years, has worked and paid his taxes, and has committed no crimes.
He checked in with ICE every year, and was pursuing the path to citizenship.

In 2005 he paid a lawyer to start the paperwork.
At first she did nothing, and when she finally did, she screwed up the paperwork and that is why he was given a deportation order.

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:Not to mention, the corrupt Democrat Party has encouraged illegals to vote and used massive immigration to out-vote native-born Americans.

Yeah....not to mention it, because It's not true.

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:So of course there's going to be a reaction, sometimes tragic.

Spare me the phony sympathy.

Now reply to the part of my post that you ignored, where I said that I don't understand how ripping families apart like this will make America great again.

45 promised to make America great again.

So tell me how ripping this man away from his family makes America great again?
Who is going to support his family now that they have lost their breadwinner?
You?

What if they need to apply for some kind of government assistance, which as American citizens, they are allowed to do.
Will you then call freeloaders then?

There is no way you can justify what was done to this family and what 45 is doing to many families just like them.

He should burn in hell for it.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:35 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:

Misty » 16 Jan 2018 1:47 pm » wrote:I don't understand how ripping families apart like this will make America great again.
Garcia is not a 'bad hombre.'
He has no criminal record.
He was supporting his family and paying his taxes.
Now his family has lost their breadwinner.
His deportation destroys a family, and benefits no one.

Why did your party allow this to happen? Chain immigration and the Immigration Lottery badly need to be ended. Your party has refused.
If Democrats allowed that, this guy might well have been allowed to stay.

WTF does this case have to do with chain immigration or the visa lottery?
This man was brought to this country as a child.
He has lived here for 30 years, has worked and paid his taxes, and has committed no crimes.
He checked in with ICE every year, and was pursuing the path to citizenship.

In 2005 he paid a lawyer to start the paperwork.
At first she did nothing, and when she finally did, she screwed up the paperwork and that is why he was given a deportation order.

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:Not to mention, the corrupt Democrat Party has encouraged illegals to vote and used massive immigration to out-vote native-born Americans.

Yeah....not to mention it, because It's not true.

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:So of course there's going to be a reaction, sometimes tragic.

Spare me the phony sympathy.

Now reply to the part of my post that you ignored, where I said that I don't understand how ripping families apart like this will make America great again.

45 promised to make America great again.

So tell me how ripping this man away from his family makes America great again?
Who is going to support his family now that they have lost their breadwinner?
You?

What if they need to apply for some kind of government assistance, which as American citizens, they are allowed to do.
Will you then call freeloaders then?

There is no way you can justify what was done to this family and what 45 is doing to many families just like them.

He should burn in hell for it.

Who put the man and his family in this situation? The US government? The person who brought the man here illegally? Or the man who knew he was here illegally?

I vote for the second 2. The US is not ripping families apart. The people committing illegal acts are putting their families in this situation.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:35 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:

Misty » 16 Jan 2018 1:47 pm » wrote:I don't understand how ripping families apart like this will make America great again.
Garcia is not a 'bad hombre.'
He has no criminal record.
He was supporting his family and paying his taxes.
Now his family has lost their breadwinner.
His deportation destroys a family, and benefits no one.

Why did your party allow this to happen? Chain immigration and the Immigration Lottery badly need to be ended. Your party has refused.
If Democrats allowed that, this guy might well have been allowed to stay.

WTF does this case have to do with chain immigration or the visa lottery?
This man was brought to this country as a child.
He has lived here for 30 years, has worked and paid his taxes, and has committed no crimes.
He checked in with ICE every year, and was pursuing the path to citizenship.

In 2005 he paid a lawyer to start the paperwork.
At first she did nothing, and when she finally did, she screwed up the paperwork and that is why he was given a deportation order.

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:Not to mention, the corrupt Democrat Party has encouraged illegals to vote and used massive immigration to out-vote native-born Americans.

Yeah....not to mention it, because It's not true.

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:So of course there's going to be a reaction, sometimes tragic.

Spare me the phony sympathy.

Now reply to the part of my post that you ignored, where I said that I don't understand how ripping families apart like this will make America great again.

45 promised to make America great again.

So tell me how ripping this man away from his family makes America great again?
Who is going to support his family now that they have lost their breadwinner?
You?

What if they need to apply for some kind of government assistance, which as American citizens, they are allowed to do.
Will you then call freeloaders then?

There is no way you can justify what was done to this family and what 45 is doing to many families just like them.

He should burn in hell for it.

With your comments and blind hatred of Trump may what you want for Trump should be visited on you. Obviously you fail to understand Christianity!!!

Since Trump took office business has exploded creating tons of new jobs. Obama crippled business and Trump is making America great again and fools like you can only nit pick against his accomplishments. You seem to think that Trump personally ordered the deportation of that man when in your own post the blame rests with an incompetent lawyer.

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 11:50 am » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:35 am » wrote:This man was brought to this country as a child.
He has lived here for 30 years, has worked and paid his taxes, and has committed no crimes.
He checked in with ICE every year, and was pursuing the path to citizenship.
In 2005 he paid a lawyer to start the paperwork.
At first she did nothing, and when she finally did, she screwed up the paperwork and that is why he was given a deportation order.

Who put the man and his family in this situation? The US government? The person who brought the man here illegally? Or the man who knew he was here illegally?
I vote for the second

Yeah, you just ignored that whole part of my post about how Jorge Garcia was trying to get his status in order, and got ripped off by the lawyer he hired.

His wife is a US citizen so not only should he have been allowed to stay, but to apply for citizenship himself, which he was trying to do.

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 11:50 am » wrote:2. The US is not ripping families apart. The people committing illegal acts are putting their families in this situation.

Jorge Garcia was brought here when he was 10 years old.
Do you think he had a choice in that?
He was doing everything he could to get right with the government.

The person who brought him here is not being punished, he and his family are.
WTF did his wife and kids do wrong?

He was the sole breadwinner for his family, so what happens to them now?
Do you even give a ****?

I'm not the least bit surprised by the TOO BAD, SO SAD attitude of both you and your BFF Clem.
Both of you are completely devoid of empathy, just like the heartless bastard in the WH that you worship so much.

Jorge Garcia And His Family Speak Out About His Deportation To Mexico | The View

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=13s&v=cEPpujbRXe4


Make America Great Again, my ***.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 12:21 pm » wrote:

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 11:50 am » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:35 am » wrote:This man was brought to this country as a child.
He has lived here for 30 years, has worked and paid his taxes, and has committed no crimes.
He checked in with ICE every year, and was pursuing the path to citizenship.
In 2005 he paid a lawyer to start the paperwork.
At first she did nothing, and when she finally did, she screwed up the paperwork and that is why he was given a deportation order.

Who put the man and his family in this situation? The US government? The person who brought the man here illegally? Or the man who knew he was here illegally?
I vote for the second

Yeah, you just ignored that whole part of my post about how Jorge Garcia was trying to get his status in order, and got ripped off by the lawyer he hired.

His wife is a US citizen so not only should he have been allowed to stay, but to apply for citizenship himself, which he was trying to do.

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 11:50 am » wrote:2. The US is not ripping families apart. The people committing illegal acts are putting their families in this situation.

Jorge Garcia was brought here when he was 10 years old.
Do you think he had a choice in that?
He was doing everything he could to get right with the government.

The person who brought him here is not being punished, he and his family are.
WTF did his wife and kids do wrong?

He was the sole breadwinner for his family, so what happens to them now?
Do you even give a ****?

I'm not the least bit surprised by the TOO BAD, SO SAD attitude of both you and your BFF Clem.
Both of you are completely devoid of empathy, just like the heartless bastard in the WH that you worship so much.

1. We did not put him in this position. As an adult he chose to stay here.

2. At any point as an adult he knew this could happen.

3. At any point he could have chosen to return to his country of citizenship with his family.

4. His decision to stay here is what is “breaking up” his family.

5. This is what happens when one side supports ignoring immigration law instead of enforcing it for political purposes.

6. Do I feel bad because the decisions he made as an adult are breaking up his family? Yes. Just like I feel bad when an American breaks Mexican immigration law and ends up in a Mexican jail. But, that was their choice.

So, I am not taking responsibility for the decisions of an adult to continue to break the law. He could have left with his family and applied for citizenship like millions of people world wide. He put his family in this position. Not me.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:35 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 16 Jan 2018 1:54 pm » wrote:Why did your party allow this to happen? Chain immigration and the Immigration Lottery badly need to be ended. Your party has refused.

If Democrats allowed that, this guy might well have been allowed to stay.

WTF does this case have to do with chain immigration or the visa lottery?
This man was brought to this country as a child.
He has lived here for 30 years, has worked and paid his taxes, and has committed no crimes.
He checked in with ICE every year, and was pursuing the path to citizenship.

Democrats have played Lucy and the football for decades, making promises about immigration reform, then obstructing it after they get what they want.

It is a national imperative that we reform immigration. If Democrats were willing to do what the overwhelming majority of Americans want, what's actually good for the country, DACA would be voted on and pass, as part of overall immigration reform.

In 2005 he paid a lawyer to start the paperwork.
At first she did nothing, and when she finally did, she screwed up the paperwork and that is why he was given a deportation order.

Oh, then it's not Trump's fault that he's being deported as you first implied.

Spare me the phony sympathy.

**** you, psycho, and your endless smears and lies.
Why did you ignore these crucial details?

Because it shows your party to be deeply corrupt.

Not to mention, the corrupt Democrat Party has encouraged illegals to vote and used massive immigration to out-vote native-born Americans.

So of course there's going to be a reaction, sometimes tragic.

Now reply to the part of my post that you ignored, where I said that I don't understand how ripping families apart like this will make America great again.

**** you, psycho. You never answer my most important questions or respond to my most important points.

You almost always cut them out of my posts
Respond to my point about Democrats encouraging illegals to vote and allowing them to get welfare and other government benefits.


If that had never happened, opposition to illegal immigration would be far less.

There is no way you can justify what was done to this family and what 45 is doing to many families just like them.

He should burn in hell for it.

If anyone should, it should be the members of your party who are ruining the country for political gain.


The party on whose behalf you tell Democrat Talking Point Lies.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 12:23 pm » wrote:Jorge Garcia And His Family Speak Out About His Deportation To Mexico | The View

Make America Great Again, my ***.

Why is your party obstructing any popular, common sense, vital reform to immigration?

Because they cling to power by using immigration to out vote native-born Americans.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:05 am » wrote: Do you agree with Clem that former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough 'isn't and perhaps never has been a conservative?'

Listen to the liberal **** and opinions he's been babbling for years now, Dim.

What, you don't believe your own eyes?

Or that the founder and editor of The Weekly Standard, William Kristol 'gave up true Conservatism many years ago?'

He says crap like that and you say that I'm the one who's nuts?

On some issues Kristol is conservative, but he wrote an editorial strongly urging Republicans to give up their opposition to massive federal government; to simply govern and manage it without trying to reduce it.

On that most central issue to Conservatism, he's a sellout.

Isn't it ironic how the very same Conservatives/Republicans that Clem once had great respect for, he now throws under the bus, because they do not support the person in the WH, who for most of his life was a Liberal Democrat.

Here's a hint, Dim. They lost me many years ago long, long, LONG before Trump even considered running for office.

At this point in time, Trump is far, far, far more conservative than Kristol or that babbling liberal wackjob Scarborough.

George Will is a squish conservative who I've seen cave in his columns more time than I can count. If he was in office, he'd be a loser like so many pre-Gingrich, pre-Trump Republicans.

But you'll refuse to admit that, however obvious it is.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:05 am » wrote:Isn't it ironic how the very same Conservatives/Republicans that Clem once had great respect for, he now throws under the bus, because they do not support the person in the WH, who for most of his life was a Liberal Democrat.

Here's a hint, Dim. It doesn't matter what Trump was for most of his life.


It matters what he is now and what he's doing now.


And right now he's the most conservative president since Reagan and might well accomplish more in rolling back government. Depending on the results of coming elections, he might well turn out to be a truly great president.

But go ahead, play your deceitful rhetorical games.

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 12:39 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 12:21 pm » wrote:

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 11:50 am » wrote:Who put the man and his family in this situation? The US government? The person who brought the man here illegally? Or the man who knew he was here illegally?
I vote for the second

Yeah, you just ignored that whole part of my post about how Jorge Garcia was trying to get his status in order, and got ripped off by the lawyer he hired.

His wife is a US citizen so not only should he have been allowed to stay, but to apply for citizenship himself, which he was trying to do.

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 11:50 am » wrote:2. The US is not ripping families apart. The people committing illegal acts are putting their families in this situation.

Jorge Garcia was brought here when he was 10 years old.
Do you think he had a choice in that?
He was doing everything he could to get right with the government.

The person who brought him here is not being punished, he and his family are.
WTF did his wife and kids do wrong?

He was the sole breadwinner for his family, so what happens to them now?
Do you even give a ****?

I'm not the least bit surprised by the TOO BAD, SO SAD attitude of both you and your BFF Clem.
Both of you are completely devoid of empathy, just like the heartless bastard in the WH that you worship so much.

1. We did not put him in this position. As an adult he chose to stay here.

2. At any point as an adult he knew this could happen.

3. At any point he could have chosen to return to his country of citizenship with his family.

4. His decision to stay here is what is “breaking up” his family.

5. This is what happens when one side supports ignoring immigration law instead of enforcing it for political purposes.

6. Do I feel bad because the decisions he made as an adult are breaking up his family? Yes. Just like I feel bad when an American breaks Mexican immigration law and ends up in a Mexican jail. But, that was their choice.

So, I am not taking responsibility for the decisions of an adult to continue to break the law. He could have left with his family and applied for citizenship like millions of people world wide. He put his family in this position. Not me.

Misty's own post about that person stated his lawyer screwed up big time causing this. Misty is a liar and the truth is not in her. Especially about Trump.

MISTY THE LIAR LIES AGAIN!!!

Activists say Senator Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas) has issued do-not-call-or-write notice to some constituents.

Ozark Indivisible, the activist group that has been pressing members of Congress from Arkansas on health care, immigration and other issues, reported on its Twitter account last night that people calling Sen. Tom Cotton's office had received cease-and-desist letters and posted the image below:



Billy Fleming, an Arkansas Times contributor, also sent me a copy of the image and an account from a person who reportedly received the letter. That person wrote:



Fleming said he knew several people who'd received such a letter.
He said he believed they all had made repeated phone calls to deliver similar talking points, but he said they were unlikely to have made rude or disparaging remarks.

Another right wing Fascist.
The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives us the right to "petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If these people were making threats, then they should have been reported to the proper authorities.
If not, they have the right to do what they were doing.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 1:13 pm » wrote:Another right wing Fascist.
The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives us the right to "petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If these people were making threats, then they should have been reported to the proper authorities.
If not, they have the right to do what they were doing.

"Unlikely?" Wow, there's absolute proof.

You smear him as a fascist without even knowing what the facts are.

Psychopath.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 12:23 pm » wrote:Jorge Garcia And His Family Speak Out About His Deportation To Mexico | The View

Make America Great Again, my ***.

Hey, who cares that Trump is overturning Obama's illegal and unConstitutional actions?

Who cares that he's started an economic boom?
Who cares that he's working to keep almost all his campaign promises, unlike Clinton and Obama who intentionally broke most of theirs?

Not Democrat Talking Point Liar little Miss Marxist.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 1:13 pm » wrote:

Activists say Senator Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas) has issued do-not-call-or-write notice to some constituents.

Ozark Indivisible, the activist group that has been pressing members of Congress from Arkansas on health care, immigration and other issues, reported on its Twitter account last night that people calling Sen. Tom Cotton's office had received cease-and-desist letters and posted the image below:



Billy Fleming, an Arkansas Times contributor, also sent me a copy of the image and an account from a person who reportedly received the letter. That person wrote:



Fleming said he knew several people who'd received such a letter.
He said he believed they all had made repeated phone calls to deliver similar talking points, but he said they were unlikely to have made rude or disparaging remarks.

Another right wing Fascist.
The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives us the right to "petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If these people were making threats, then they should have been reported to the proper authorities.
If not, they have the right to do what they were doing.

You always attack without knowledge about the situation. The fact that the Senator went to this extent must mean it rose above the level of being brought to his attention,. He along with others in government have secretaries that read the incoming mail and only forward a very few. They give their boss a summary of the mail. This must have been an ongoing issue. You always think the worst of people in government. Get your head out of gutter.

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:05 am » wrote: Nice tongue bath.
That's really funny.

No, not to you. If you thought it was funny, you wouldn't be ranting all this below.

I guess you don't read many of Clem's posts, or should I say rants.
They read like the Unabomber's manifesto.

I don't read them all, but quite a few, yes. And they read like no such thing.

Do you agree with Clem that former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough 'isn't and perhaps never has been a conservative?'

Absolutely!

Or that the founder and editor of The Weekly Standard, William Kristol 'gave up true Conservatism many years ago?'

I don't know about years ago, but I know he's nothing more than an establishment Republican, if not turned to a Democrat.

He says crap like that and you say that I'm the one who's nuts?

He's right and you're not well. I used to think it was funny how out-of-touch with reality you are, but now it's gotten to the point that I think it's sad. Your defensiveness has gotten close, if not there, to paranoia.

Isn't it ironic how the very same Conservatives/Republicans that Clem once had great respect for, he now throws under the bus, because they do not support the person in the WH, who for most of his life was a Liberal Democrat.

Perhaps he IS a liberal democrat, just not a leftist prog like you and the VAST majority of today's democrats. Or perhaps he has turned conservative like never before, eh? Apparently you don't understand that the term "liberal" is not what it used to be, by any stretch of the imagination. There was a time, not that long ago, when the democrats still believed in and stood behind the Constitution as written, the rule of law, the separation of powers, the Electoral College, self-responsibility and accountability, our military and its supremacy throughout the world, the right of lawful citizens to bear as many arms as they wished, the unity and sanctity of marriage and family, the definition of marriage, and probably other things I'm not thinking of at the moment.

Then along came LBJ (you want to talk about a boorish prick, look him up) and it all started to erode. And it all peaked through the Obama years. Now today, something you need to put in your pretty blue bonnet, the fact is a Republican does not a conservative make! I once liked and respected those two as well, but no longer. Same for McCain, Graham, McConnell, and several other non-conservative Republicans. They have sold out for their "position" because that's all that matters to them, so **** them. I suppose there are no democrats that you once respected but now despise?

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 12:21 pm » wrote:

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 11:50 am » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:35 am » wrote:This man was brought to this country as a child.
He has lived here for 30 years, has worked and paid his taxes, and has committed no crimes.
He checked in with ICE every year, and was pursuing the path to citizenship.
In 2005 he paid a lawyer to start the paperwork.
At first she did nothing, and when she finally did, she screwed up the paperwork and that is why he was given a deportation order.

Who put the man and his family in this situation? The US government? The person who brought the man here illegally? Or the man who knew he was here illegally?
I vote for the second

Yeah, you just ignored that whole part of my post about how Jorge Garcia was trying to get his status in order, and got ripped off by the lawyer he hired.

His wife is a US citizen so not only should he have been allowed to stay, but to apply for citizenship himself, which he was trying to do.

Huey » 18 Jan 2018 11:50 am » wrote:2. The US is not ripping families apart. The people committing illegal acts are putting their families in this situation.

Jorge Garcia was brought here when he was 10 years old.
Do you think he had a choice in that?
He was doing everything he could to get right with the government.

The person who brought him here is not being punished, he and his family are.
WTF did his wife and kids do wrong?

He was the sole breadwinner for his family, so what happens to them now?
Do you even give a ****?

I'm not the least bit surprised by the TOO BAD, SO SAD attitude of both you and your BFF Clem.
Both of you are completely devoid of empathy, just like the heartless bastard in the WH that you worship so much.

Not enough pictures for you:

1. We did not put him in this position. As an adult he chose to stay here.

2. At any point as an adult he knew this could happen.

3. At any point he could have chosen to return to his country of citizenship with his family.

4. His decision to stay here is what is “breaking up” his family.

5. This is what happens when one side supports ignoring immigration law instead of enforcing it for political purposes.

6. Do I feel bad because the decisions he made as an adult are breaking up his family? Yes. Just like I feel bad when an American breaks Mexican immigration law and ends up in a Mexican jail. But, that was their choice.

So, I am not taking responsibility for the decisions of an adult to continue to break the law. He could have left with his family and applied for citizenship like millions of people world wide. He put his family in this position. Not me

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 1:13 pm » wrote:Another right wing Fascist.
The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives us the right to "petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If these people were making threats, then they should have been reported to the proper authorities.
If not, they have the right to do what they were doing.

If little Miss Marxist calls someone a fascist, they must be a fascist.


Because she never lies! Just ask her.

What is a "fascist" in the moonbat dictionary?

Someone who a strong advocate for freedom, as Tom Cotton is!

In an Arkansas Times article, the person who reportedly received the letter said they have called other legislators to express their "strong thoughts and opinions about their actions."
"They obviously don't want to be held accountable for their words and actions while serving all the people in this nation," the person said.
The person admitted that they may have used "unprofessional and unbecoming language" to "vehemently express" their "righteous anger at Senator Cotton's complicitness with this harmful regime."
http://www.thv11.com/news/local/sen-cot ... /509155632

larryc12 » 18 Jan 2018 2:27 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 11:05 am » wrote: Nice tongue bath.
That's really funny.

No, not to you. If you thought it was funny, you wouldn't be ranting all this below.

I guess you don't read many of Clem's posts, or should I say rants.
They read like the Unabomber's manifesto.

I don't read them all, but quite a few, yes. And they read like no such thing.

Do you agree with Clem that former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough 'isn't and perhaps never has been a conservative?'

Absolutely!

Or that the founder and editor of The Weekly Standard, William Kristol 'gave up true Conservatism many years ago?'

I don't know about years ago, but I know he's nothing more than an establishment Republican, if not turned to a Democrat.

He says crap like that and you say that I'm the one who's nuts?

He's right and you're not well. I used to think it was funny how out-of-touch with reality you are, but now it's gotten to the point that I think it's sad. Your defensiveness has gotten close, if not there, to paranoia.

Isn't it ironic how the very same Conservatives/Republicans that Clem once had great respect for, he now throws under the bus, because they do not support the person in the WH, who for most of his life was a Liberal Democrat.

Perhaps he IS a liberal democrat, just not a leftist prog like you and the VAST majority of today's democrats. Or perhaps he has turned conservative like never before, eh? Apparently you don't understand that the term "liberal" is not what it used to be, by any stretch of the imagination. There was a time, not that long ago, when the democrats still believed in and stood behind the Constitution as written, the rule of law, the separation of powers, the Electoral College, self-responsibility and accountability, our military and its supremacy throughout the world, the right of lawful citizens to bear as many arms as they wished, the unity and sanctity of marriage and family, the definition of marriage, and probably other things I'm not thinking of at the moment.

Then along came LBJ (you want to talk about a boorish prick, look him up) and it all started to8 erode. And it all peaked through the Obama years. Now today, something you need to put in your pretty blue bonnet, the fact is a Republican does not a conservative make! I once liked and respected those two as well, but no longer. Same for McCain, Graham, McConnell, and several other non-conservative Republicans. They have sold out for their "position" because that's all that matters to them, so **** them. I suppose there are no democrats that you once respected but now despise?

There is a major difference between liberal and progressive. Joe Lieberman is one of the last true liberals. All of the rest are progressives. The major difference is progressives are much farther left, reject Christianity, and reject this country as great. Hillary Clinton is a proud progressive as she stated.