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By the way, I made a joke about you at "the other place." Btthegreat: "Did Chuck leave LF?" Me: "Nobody leaves LF, except for the first, few established members of O-T-L. (See: MistyBlue)"

By the way, I made a joke about you at "the other place."Btthegreat: "Did Chuck leave LF?"Me: "Nobody leaves LF, except for the first, few established members of O-T-L. (See: MistyBlue)"ROFL. This place is like crack.

Yesterday morning (4-8) Sen. Jon Kyl [R-AZ] took to the Senate floor and insisted that any budget bill that was agreed upon must cut Planned Parenthoods funding. In the process, he made a blatantly false claim about the type of services the organization provides:KYL: Everybody goes to clinics, to doctors, to hospitals, so on. Some people go to Planned Parenthood. But you dont have to go to Planned Parenthood to get your cholesterol or your blood pressure checked. If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood, and thats well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does.Watch ItThat is really sad, because I never considered John Kyl to be a Flying Monkey, but he sure is acting like one.Abortion accounts for only 3% of the services offered by PP.Of course Kyl was forced to walk back his statement. This is the statement his office issued:"His remark was not intended to be a factual statement, but rather to illustrate that Planned Parenthood, an organization that receives millions of dollars in taxpayer funding, does subsidize abortions." LinkNot intended to be a factual statement? Seriously?So how are we supposed to know, when one of our members of Congress makes a statement on the floor of the House of the Senate, whether or not it's factual?Silly me, I think anything they submit into the official record shoud be factual.I guess that's too much to ask.I can see being off by a few percentage points, but there's quite a bit of distance between 3% and over 90%.

More lies....Washington (CNN) The optics don't look great for Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann. That is, if you're talking about her relationship with LensCrafters, the one-stop shop of eye care and eyewear.The possible GOP presidential candidate supported her belief that Planned Parenthood should lose its government funding by telling a crowd in Iowa on Monday, "The executive director of Planned Parenthood in Illinois said they want to become the LensCrafter of big abortion in Illinois."And it's not the first time Bachmann made the comparison. She made the same claim as early as September of 2008 and has stated that the comparison first came from a Planned Parenthood director in Illinois. But what Steve Trombley, CEO of Planned Parenthood Illinois, actually said is different than Bachmann's interpretation. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal in June 2008, he stated, "I like to think of Planned Parenthood as the LensCrafters of family planning," while speaking of making family planning services more accessible. Bachmann has been substituting the phrase "big abortion" with "family planning," but the eye care company has asked that she leave them out of her scuffle altogether.LensCrafters hit back at Bachmann Tuesday, telling Roll Call, "She's using our name without our knowledge or permission." Julie Maslov, communications director for Luxottica Retail, the parent company for LensCrafters, said the company contacted Bachmann's office Tuesday and asked that she stop making the comparison.Planned Parenthood also released a statement saying, "The continued misleading attacks on Planned Parenthood expose a cynical and coldhearted willingness to further a divisive political agenda even if it will deny women access to lifesaving cancer screenings and birth control."VIDEOBig difference between big abortion and family planning.

(some Free Market Capitalism crap) Yes, the cause of Freedom, something liberals almost always despise. WTF do you know about freedom you Fascist Corporatist?The only freedom you believe in, is the freedom of your corporate masters to give it to us up the ***, hard and often. You seem to enjoy that a lot. Me....not so much.Gosh, you're right as usual. If you don't buy a Chevrolet or shop at Walmart or buy an Apple computer, their CEO's have you arrested and thrown in jail, right? Yes, Capitalism truly is oppressive!I'm such a "Corporate fascist" that I think Americans should have the freedom to buy or not buy whatever product or service they want.Truly evil, right? Say, what happens to an American if they decide not to pay into Big Government Ponzi Schemes Social Security and Medicaid?You'll be arrested and thrown in jail.Isn't Socialism compassionate?

Gosh, you're right as usual.Thanks Puss.

Speaking of pinheads.....VIDEO

Thanks Puss.More deceit from little Miss Marxist.Who can't tell the truth to save her little moonbat life.Did you hear the latest economic news? A major firm again downgraded their estimate of US GDP growth to 1.7% this year, meaning real unemployment is still rising, because the country needs roughly 2.5% growth to keep up with population growth.So real unemployment will be roughly 12% by the end of the year.And at a cost of only $1.6 trillion in deficit spending.Wow, isn't Obama-nomics a huge success?

Gosh, you're right as usual. If you don't buy a Chevrolet or shop at Walmart or buy an Apple computer, their CEO's have you arrested and thrown in jail, right? Yes, Capitalism truly is oppressive!I'm such a "Corporate fascist" that I think Americans should have the freedom to buy or not buy whatever product or service they want.Truly evil, right? Say, what happens to an American if they decide not to pay into Big Government Ponzi Schemes Social Security and Medicaid?You'll be arrested and thrown in jail.Isn't Socialism compassionate?More distortions and half-truths. MistyBlue is not talking about the supposed "choice" we have on the market, she is talking about 1) working conditions that were terrible without regulations (and to some extent still are - see: Massey Energy) Then again, since you have been an outspoken proponent of sweatshops and involuntary servitude (children who work for their entire lifetimes to pay off their parents' debt in developing countries), none of this is surprising. 2) corporate America's record on environmental pollution How is choking on the toxic fumes of factories "more freedom?" Oh wait it isn't. Then again, I bet your stupid response is going to be, "Well if you don't like it, move to another location." ROFL. 3) privatizing vital social services that are better served by public ownershipIf the public overwhelmingly rejects privatization, but you favor it, then YOU are the fascist who wants to let the people choke on bitter medicine; the medicine of worse services, no accountability, and massive corporate profits to those who don't deserve it. Also, it's true what MB said - I have never seen you criticize corporations for recklessly gambling with the public's money and then doing massive harm in the process. Never. Did you argue that those who caused the financial recession (Hedge fund managers, bank owners, toxic assets con-men, etc.) should go to jail?Did you argue that the guys at BP, Massey, and other energy companies should pay for their crimes? But as long as you're inventing strawmen, feel free to add more. Edited by Avenger_of_Justice, 15 April 2011 - 08:40 PM.

Gosh, you're right as usual. If you don't buy a Chevrolet or shop at Walmart or buy an Apple computer, their CEO's have you arrested and thrown in jail, right? Yes, Capitalism truly is oppressive!I'm such a "Corporate fascist" that I think Americans should have the freedom to buy or not buy whatever product or service they want.Truly evil, right? Say, what happens to an American if they decide not to pay into Big Government Ponzi Schemes Social Security and Medicaid?You'll be arrested and thrown in jail.Isn't Socialism compassionate?More distortions and half-truths. MistyBlue is not talking about the supposed "choice" we have on the market, she is talking about 1) working conditions that were terrible without regulations Oh gosh, I never realized that American workers were held captive in chains and not allowed to quite and find a different job.Then again, since you have been an outspoken proponent of sweatshops and involuntary servitude (children who work for their entire lifetimes to pay off their parents' debt in developing countries), none of this is surprising.Which I've never expressed, but you're rarely in contact with reality.How is choking on the toxic fumes of factories "more freedom?" Oh wait it isn't. Then again, I bet your stupid response is going to be, "Well if you don't like it, move to another location." ROFL.Save your psychotic ranting for others.3) privatizing vital social services that are better served by public ownershipWhat does a stupid, ignorant 18-year-old kid know about what's best?If the public overwhelmingly rejects privatization, but you favor it, then YOU are the fascist who wants to let the people choke on bitter medicine; the medicine of worse services, no accountability, and massive corporate profits to those who don't deserve it. Let's make Medicare and S.S. voluntary and see how much they "reject" privatization. Young Americans are more likely to believe in UFO's than believe they'll receive a fair share of their S.S. and Medicare.Are you willing to allow them that free choice?No, because you're a Totalitarian-lite Socialist moonbat.Also, it's true what MB said - I have never seen you criticize corporations for recklessly gambling with the public's money and then doing massive harm in the process. Never.Then you're either blind or stupid.Actually, you are stupid, but perhaps you're blind as well.Did you argue that those who caused the financial recession (Hedge fund managers, bank owners, toxic assets con-men, etc.) should go to jail?Did you argue that the guys at BP, Massey, and other energy companies should pay for their crimes?I believe that BP and all other oil companies should have been 100% liable for their actions and said so at the time, if that's what the law was. It wasn't, because someone wrote a law making them only slightly liable.I believe that Democrat-supporting Goldman Sachs is a highly unethical company that gets massive favors from Democrats and a few Repubs in exchange for massive contributions.

Oh gosh, I never realized that American workers were held captive in chains and not allowed to quite and find a different job.Considering the job market in almost all cases is quite inelastic, I would say so. Then again, you're an ignoramus on the subject of economics so this is not surprising at all. Which I've never expressed, but you're rarely in contact with reality.If I remember correctly, you said something along the lines of "sweatshops help third world workers because they would get paid more than what they normally get." Then again, every neoliberal/right wing ragtag I've ever met/conversed with has expressed this opinion so denying it hardly makes a case for you being "honest."Save your psychotic ranting for others.Sorry you're so out of touch with facts. What does a stupid, ignorant 18-year-old kid know about what's best?What does a stupid, ignorant 50-year old kid know about what's best?Let's make Medicare and S.S. voluntary and see how much they "reject" privatization. Young Americans are more likely to believe in UFO's than believe they'll receive a fair share of their S.S. and Medicare.Are you willing to allow them that free choice?No, because you're a Totalitarian-lite Socialist moonbat.Your "choice" is obviously to let them contribute to a program where the private insurer charges monstrous premiums with high deductibles, or not to have insurance at all. A publicly funded insurance program isn't in it for the profit, so there's no comparison. I believe that BP and all other oil companies should have been 100% liable for their actions and said so at the time, if that's what the law was. It wasn't, because someone wrote a law making them only slightly liable.I believe that Democrat-supporting Goldman Sachs is a highly unethical company that gets massive favors from Democrats and a few Repubs in exchange for massive contributions.Who cares if they are supporters of Democrats? I haven't even voted for a Democrat. Ever. Most Democratic voters vote "Democratic" because they feel it's the lesser of two evils (as much as I disagree with their reasoning); they didn't vote for Obama because they wanted him to give handouts to Wells Fargo et al. Your system of unregulated capitalism for the poor and "socialism for the rich" (evidenced by your support of the bailout in 2008, as well as bailouts elsewhere) is what created the mess in the first place. Of course it's much more convenient to blame a "government run institution" like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, even though nobody with a working brain believes that. If you think they should be liable, then your anti-regulatory stance doesn't make sense. Edited by Avenger_of_Justice, 16 April 2011 - 01:03 AM.

Considering the job market in almost all cases is quite inelastic, I would say so. Then again, you're an ignoramus on the subject of economics so this is not surprising at all.Oh yeah, my reading about Economics and business for over 30 years made me an "ignoramus."But you, child genius, understand the subject.Stop being so painfully stupid."Inelastic?" From what Marxist tract did you find that silly term?If I remember correctly, you said something along the lines of "sweatshops help third world workers because they would get paid more than what they normally get." Then again, every neoliberal/right wing ragtag I've ever met/conversed with has expressed this opinion so denying it hardly makes a case for you being "honest."Here's what you claimed about me, moonbat:Then again, since you have been an outspoken proponent of sweatshops and involuntary servitude (children who work for their entire lifetimes to pay off their parents' debt in developing countries), none of this is surprising.Do you have a quote of mine expressing support for that?No? Of course not, psycho.Sorry you're so out of touch with facts. What does a stupid, ignorant 50-year old kid know about what's best?Get yourself some professional help, moonbat.

(some Free Market Capitalism crap)Free Market Capitalism is "crap?"Say, didn't you vehemently deny being a moonbat Leftist? Gosh, you didn't lie, did you?Yes, the cause of Freedom, something liberals almost always despise.WTF do you know about freedom you Fascist Corporatist?The only freedom you believe in, is the freedom of your corporate masters to give it to us up the ***, hard and often. You seem to enjoy that a lot. Me....not so much.Lie, smear and run, little Miss Marxist's Modus Operandi.Free Market Capitalism made the US the richest country on the entire planet, yet you bleat that it's Corporate Fascism.

my reading about Economics and business for over 30 years made me an "ignoramus."I have to say, I like what I'm seeing here, Rich. It's very, very rare for a babbit to show this kind of introspection and ruthless self-examination. I hate to admit it, but this level of honesty is not something I ever expected to see from you.You are a better man than I thought you were. Keep doing the work, buddy. Remember, "The unexamined life is not worth living."

my reading about Economics and business for over 30 years made me an "ignoramus."I have to say, I like what I'm seeing here, Rich. It's very, very rare for a babbit to show this kind of introspection and ruthless self-examination. I hate to admit it, but this level of honesty is not something I ever expected to see from you.You are a better man than I thought you were. Keep doing the work, buddy. Remember, "The unexamined life is not worth living."Empty sarcasm and deceit Wow, how impressive.Maybe before you die you'll have a freaking clue, but not likely.And "babbit?" How very marxist.Just to put your silliness in perspective, here's my key sentence:Free Market Capitalism made the US the richest country on the entire planet, yet you bleat that it's Corporate Fascism."Babbit."

I have to say, I like what I'm seeing here, Rich. It's very, very rare for a babbit to show this kind of introspection and ruthless self-examination. I hate to admit it, but this level of honesty is not something I ever expected to see from you.You are a better man than I thought you were. Keep doing the work, buddy. Remember, "The unexamined life is not worth living."It's great to come in here and see Clem getting his *** handed to him once again, and by what he calls a 'stupid, ignorant 18-year-old kid'. It's the only arrow he has left in his quiver. Calling people names like a petulant 5 year old......my reading about Economics and business for over 30 years made me an ignoramus.Maybe you're reading the wrong stuff.

Oh yeah, my reading about Economics and business for over 30 years made me an "ignoramus."But you, child genius, understand the subject.Stop being so painfully stupid."Inelastic?" From what Marxist tract did you find that silly term?Because in your fairy tale world of capitalist markets, everyone can find whichever job they like or want at any given time. But back in the actual world, reality is quite different. Do you have a quote of mine expressing support for that?Do you have a quote expressing everyone whom disagrees with you complying to the terms defined under "Marxist moonbat?"You're beyond retarded. Edited by Avenger_of_Justice, 16 April 2011 - 01:07 PM.

Then again, since you have been an outspoken proponent of sweatshops and involuntary servitude (children who work for their entire lifetimes to pay off their parents' debt in developing countries), none of this is surprising.Do you have a quote of mine expressing support for that?Are you denying that you defended Tom Delay and his shameful behavior in supporting the sweat shop owners in the Northern Marianas Islands, and blocking any legislation that would have helped those workers? Because if you are, I can easily dig up your posts on that subject.

Hey, great job at avoiding the massive damage that Obamacare has done and will do if left in place. Typical troll behavior. Which is why I'd eliminate the federal law that requires treatment. Leave it to the states how to reform that. Another example of how little you know about Ronald Reagan. Don't like his law?

Why won't you answer my question Puss? What kind of health care coverage do you have?