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Misty » 20 Jan 2018 12:44 pm » wrote:

Huey » 20 Jan 2018 11:28 am » wrote:

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 11:25 am » wrote:

Hip hip hooray!

Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2018 9:19 am » wrote:

Misty » 19 Jan 2018 5:45 pm » wrote:I don't trust anything that Nunes has anything to do with.

Oh, so they're all lying.

Because every Republican who's seen the memo supports Nunes' take on it.

As do the journalists who have been on the cutting edge of the story.

Is this a giant Right Wing Conspiracy of lies?

I know, I know, you'll claim they're all lying.

But all the actual criminals are telling the truth!

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 12:44 pm » wrote:

Huey » 20 Jan 2018 11:28 am » wrote:

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 11:25 am » wrote:

Hip hip hooray!

Misty » 14 Jan 2018 2:44 pm » wrote:
If you are going to post someone's quote it is incumbent upon you to make sure that the person can link back to the original post.

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 12:44 pm » wrote:Trump caused the shutdown, blah, blah, blah.

Hell Freezes Over=> Liberal Media Correctly Blames Democrats For #SchumerShutdown
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/0 ... rshutdown/

How Would Trump’s Immigration Crackdown Have Affected His Own Team?

After President Donald Trump called it a “total disaster, which threatens our security and our economy and provides a gateway for terrorism” at a White House meeting in early January, “chain migration” quickly became the buzzword du jour for anti-immigration voices.

But chain migration, a process also known as “family reunification” that allows a legal immigrant to bring his family members to the United States—spouses and minor children when he has a green card, and parents and siblings after he becomes a citizen—is nothing new.

In fact, it’s how the families of some of the most prominent anti-immigration voices in Trump’s circle—and the president himself—came to the United States.

These ahistorical warnings about the evils of chain migration are part of a longstanding American tradition described by immigration historian Tyler Anbinder in a 2016 Chicago Sun-Times editorial:

“From the days of the Puritans to the present, every generation of Americans has believed that the latest wave of immigrants is completely different from—and inferior to—their own immigrant ancestors and could never become true Americans.”

From White House adviser Stephen Miller to Fox News commentator Tomi Lahren, many prominent anti-immigration voices advocate for immigration policies like merit-based systems and language-based preferences that would have barred their own families from coming to the United States.

But while our favorite immigration opponents may have forgotten their immigrant roots, lucky for them, I have an Ancestry.com account, and I know how to use it.

In a project I call #resistancegenealogy, I’ve traced their family trees and found, not surprisingly, their own family’s stories are markedly similar to those of the immigrants they now would like to prevent from becoming Americans.
(Except, of course, that today’s immigrants are less commonly white Europeans.)

Here are some of the highlights.

Dan Scavino, Jr.

Let’s start with Dan Scavino, Jr., White House social media director, who tweeted an article about chain migration “choking” the United States.

That’s the kind of charge that may have once been leveled against Italian immigrants like Scavino’s great-grandfather.

Scavino’s roots trace back to the Italian Piedmont town of Canelli, where his great-grandfather Davide “Gildo” Ermenegildo was born in August of 1884 to Giuseppe Scavino and his wife Carolina Giovine.

The birth certificate is below, with Gildo on the right side.

Gildo Scavino was part of a classic chain of immigrants that began with his older brother Vittorio (or Victor, as he would come to be known) who arrived at Ellis Island in 1904 with his wife Camilla.

The records indicate that Vittorio had come on a business trip, but he apparently stayed on, because the following March, when brother Ettore (who would become Hector) arrived from Canelli, he listed brother Vittorio, at an address on E. 59th Street in New York City, as his point of contact.

He also indicates that his brother paid for his passage.

The 1905 New York state census indicates that the two brothers were living together.

Newly arrived Ettore, with no occupation listed, is said to be “at home,” Victor a day laborer and his wife Camilla a dressmaker.

Are these the sorts of immigrants who would meet the proposed “skills and merit” criteria that Trump would like to replace the family-based system with?

Victor and Hector went on work in a candy factory, although Victor’s 1918 declaration of intention for citizenship, which immigrants were able to file after having resided in the United States for at least two years, identifies him as a “laundry washer.”

In September of 1913, Dan Scavino’s great-grandfather Gildo arrives, accompanied by brother Victor, who is re-entering the U.S. after some years spent in Paris.

Two months later, their younger sister Esther, a dressmaker, arrives from Canelli and is “discharged” to her older brothers, as written below.

By 1915, the census shows that Esther and her brother Gildo were sharing an apartment on 127th Street.

Finally, in 1916, the youngest Scavino sister Clotilde, her baby son Mario and the Scavinos’ widowed father, 68-year-old Giuseppe, arrive, leaving behind at least one sister in Italy.

These newcomers list last-arrived sister Esther as their point of contact.
(You see how this works now? It’s like a … chain.)

This group was detained at Ellis Island as “likely public charges,” meaning there was concern they would not be able to support themselves, which probably had something to do with the fact that Giuseppe was issued a medical certificate at Ellis Island for “senile debility,” which you can see noted below.

After two days of waiting and a hearing, the Scavinos were cleared for entry to the United States on December 18. Giuseppe died just three months later.

(They fared better, incidentally, than shipmate Domenica Fazio, a suspected prostitute who was detained alongside them and deported back to Italy.)

Gildo Scavino, Dan, Jr.’s great-grandfather, went on to marry Carmella Daglia, also an Italian immigrant, in 1918, and their son Aldo was born in New York in 1920, paving the way for his grandson to one day work in the White House and use his platform to call for an end to so-called chain migration.

Rep. Steve King

Republican Congressman Steve King of Iowa has become notorious for making thinly veiled racist pronouncements about the threats of immigration.

“We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies,” he lamented on Twitter in March last year.

But King’s own grandmother Freda Harm was one of those very babies, arriving in steerage at Ellis Island in 1894 from Germany at the age of four, according to passenger documents, with her parents and two little siblings in tow.

The difference, of course, is that white European babies are likely not the kinds of “somebody else” King was referring to.

White House Senior Adviser Stephen Miller

Miller, an immigration hardliner who has helped craft Trump’s wish list on more restrictive policies, once warned in a college op-ed that “worshipping at the altar of multiculturalism” might lead to the “sacrifice of the one culture which binds us all.”

But Miller’s own Jewish family arrived from Eastern Europe with very little and spun their hard work into success, opening up businesses in Pennsylvania—the classic immigration success story.

In a White House briefing in August, Miller made clear that White House immigration policy would prioritize those immigrants who could already speak English.

But by those rules, Miller’s own great-grandmother would not have passed muster.

In the 1910 census, she is clearly identified as speaking only Yiddish, four years after arriving.

Tomi Lahren

Fox News’ Tomi Lahren has been especially unforgiving in her immigration stance, even going so far as to defend President Trump’s “**** countries” comment.

But her tree yielded perhaps the most hilarious vignette yet: Lahren’s Russian immigrant great-great-grandfather, Constantin Dietrich, was indicted by a federal grand jury in North Dakota in 1917 for forging his naturalization papers.

Such prosecutions were exceedingly rare; there were typically less than 100 annually out of about 105,000 naturalizations.

But luckily for Lahren, the trial jury was apparently unmoved by the findings of the grand jury and acquitted him, making it possible for her to be here sharing her anti-immigration screeds on Twitter in 2018.

Tucker Carlson

“Why does America benefit from having tons of people from failing countries come here?” Fox News personality Tucker Carlson asked on Twitter last year.

Well, though Carlson was apparently estranged from his biological mother, sketching out her tree led to the memoirs of Carlson’s great-great grandfather Cesar Lombardi, who wrote about how the “narrowness of opportunities” in Switzerland created a “violent desire” for him to “seek my fortune in foreign parts.”

He landed in New York on November 1, 1860.

The good news is that while we’ve been hearing about the evils of immigration for centuries, the country appears to have continually weathered the storm. I suspect we’re going to be just fine moving forward.

After all, some of those immigrants’ descendants have even ended up in the White House.

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 1:28 pm » wrote:Seems like some of the most vocally anti-immigration Conservatives are advocating for policies that would have kept their own families from coming to this country.

How Would Trump’s Immigration Crackdown Have Affected His Own Team?

After President Donald Trump called it a “total disaster, which threatens our security and our economy and provides a gateway for terrorism” at a White House meeting in early January, “chain migration” quickly became the buzzword du jour for anti-immigration voices.

But chain migration, a process also known as “family reunification” that allows a legal immigrant to bring his family members to the United States—spouses and minor children when he has a green card, and parents and siblings after he becomes a citizen—is nothing new.

In fact, it’s how the families of some of the most prominent anti-immigration voices in Trump’s circle—and the president himself—came to the United States.

These ahistorical warnings about the evils of chain migration are part of a longstanding American tradition described by immigration historian Tyler Anbinder in a 2016 Chicago Sun-Times editorial:

“From the days of the Puritans to the present, every generation of Americans has believed that the latest wave of immigrants is completely different from—and inferior to—their own immigrant ancestors and could never become true Americans.”

From White House adviser Stephen Miller to Fox News commentator Tomi Lahren, many prominent anti-immigration voices advocate for immigration policies like merit-based systems and language-based preferences that would have barred their own families from coming to the United States.

But while our favorite immigration opponents may have forgotten their immigrant roots, lucky for them, I have an Ancestry.com account, and I know how to use it.

In a project I call #resistancegenealogy, I’ve traced their family trees and found, not surprisingly, their own family’s stories are markedly similar to those of the immigrants they now would like to prevent from becoming Americans.
(Except, of course, that today’s immigrants are less commonly white Europeans.)

Here are some of the highlights.

Dan Scavino, Jr.

Let’s start with Dan Scavino, Jr., White House social media director, who tweeted an article about chain migration “choking” the United States.

That’s the kind of charge that may have once been leveled against Italian immigrants like Scavino’s great-grandfather.

Scavino’s roots trace back to the Italian Piedmont town of Canelli, where his great-grandfather Davide “Gildo” Ermenegildo was born in August of 1884 to Giuseppe Scavino and his wife Carolina Giovine.

The birth certificate is below, with Gildo on the right side.

Gildo Scavino was part of a classic chain of immigrants that began with his older brother Vittorio (or Victor, as he would come to be known) who arrived at Ellis Island in 1904 with his wife Camilla.

The records indicate that Vittorio had come on a business trip, but he apparently stayed on, because the following March, when brother Ettore (who would become Hector) arrived from Canelli, he listed brother Vittorio, at an address on E. 59th Street in New York City, as his point of contact.

He also indicates that his brother paid for his passage.

The 1905 New York state census indicates that the two brothers were living together.

Newly arrived Ettore, with no occupation listed, is said to be “at home,” Victor a day laborer and his wife Camilla a dressmaker.

Are these the sorts of immigrants who would meet the proposed “skills and merit” criteria that Trump would like to replace the family-based system with?

Victor and Hector went on work in a candy factory, although Victor’s 1918 declaration of intention for citizenship, which immigrants were able to file after having resided in the United States for at least two years, identifies him as a “laundry washer.”

In September of 1913, Dan Scavino’s great-grandfather Gildo arrives, accompanied by brother Victor, who is re-entering the U.S. after some years spent in Paris.

Two months later, their younger sister Esther, a dressmaker, arrives from Canelli and is “discharged” to her older brothers, as written below.

By 1915, the census shows that Esther and her brother Gildo were sharing an apartment on 127th Street.

Finally, in 1916, the youngest Scavino sister Clotilde, her baby son Mario and the Scavinos’ widowed father, 68-year-old Giuseppe, arrive, leaving behind at least one sister in Italy.

These newcomers list last-arrived sister Esther as their point of contact.
(You see how this works now? It’s like a … chain.)

This group was detained at Ellis Island as “likely public charges,” meaning there was concern they would not be able to support themselves, which probably had something to do with the fact that Giuseppe was issued a medical certificate at Ellis Island for “senile debility,” which you can see noted below.

After two days of waiting and a hearing, the Scavinos were cleared for entry to the United States on December 18. Giuseppe died just three months later.

(They fared better, incidentally, than shipmate Domenica Fazio, a suspected prostitute who was detained alongside them and deported back to Italy.)

Gildo Scavino, Dan, Jr.’s great-grandfather, went on to marry Carmella Daglia, also an Italian immigrant, in 1918, and their son Aldo was born in New York in 1920, paving the way for his grandson to one day work in the White House and use his platform to call for an end to so-called chain migration.

Rep. Steve King

Republican Congressman Steve King of Iowa has become notorious for making thinly veiled racist pronouncements about the threats of immigration.

“We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies,” he lamented on Twitter in March last year.

But King’s own grandmother Freda Harm was one of those very babies, arriving in steerage at Ellis Island in 1894 from Germany at the age of four, according to passenger documents, with her parents and two little siblings in tow.

The difference, of course, is that white European babies are likely not the kinds of “somebody else” King was referring to.

White House Senior Adviser Stephen Miller

Miller, an immigration hardliner who has helped craft Trump’s wish list on more restrictive policies, once warned in a college op-ed that “worshipping at the altar of multiculturalism” might lead to the “sacrifice of the one culture which binds us all.”

But Miller’s own Jewish family arrived from Eastern Europe with very little and spun their hard work into success, opening up businesses in Pennsylvania—the classic immigration success story.

In a White House briefing in August, Miller made clear that White House immigration policy would prioritize those immigrants who could already speak English.

But by those rules, Miller’s own great-grandmother would not have passed muster.

In the 1910 census, she is clearly identified as speaking only Yiddish, four years after arriving.

Tomi Lahren

Fox News’ Tomi Lahren has been especially unforgiving in her immigration stance, even going so far as to defend President Trump’s “**** countries” comment.

But her tree yielded perhaps the most hilarious vignette yet: Lahren’s Russian immigrant great-great-grandfather, Constantin Dietrich, was indicted by a federal grand jury in North Dakota in 1917 for forging his naturalization papers.

Such prosecutions were exceedingly rare; there were typically less than 100 annually out of about 105,000 naturalizations.

But luckily for Lahren, the trial jury was apparently unmoved by the findings of the grand jury and acquitted him, making it possible for her to be here sharing her anti-immigration screeds on Twitter in 2018.

Tucker Carlson

“Why does America benefit from having tons of people from failing countries come here?” Fox News personality Tucker Carlson asked on Twitter last year.

Well, though Carlson was apparently estranged from his biological mother, sketching out her tree led to the memoirs of Carlson’s great-great grandfather Cesar Lombardi, who wrote about how the “narrowness of opportunities” in Switzerland created a “violent desire” for him to “seek my fortune in foreign parts.”

He landed in New York on November 1, 1860.

The good news is that while we’ve been hearing about the evils of immigration for centuries, the country appears to have continually weathered the storm. I suspect we’re going to be just fine moving forward.

After all, some of those immigrants’ descendants have even ended up in the White House.

Both of my grandfathers, who spoke no English, left their wives and children behind in Sicily, and came to this country.

They worked hard and saved their money, and eventually brought their families here.

I am a product of what is referred to as 'chain migration' (family reunification) as are many if not most people in this country.

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 1:28 pm » wrote:Seems like some of the most vocally anti-immigration Conservatives are advocating for policies that would have kept their own families from coming to this country.

Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2018 1:32 pm » wrote:

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 1:28 pm » wrote:Seems like some of the most vocally anti-immigration Conservatives are advocating for policies that would have kept their own families from coming to this country.

Perhaps true, but irrelevant at this point in time.

Your corrupt party has been using massive immigration to out-vote the will of native-born Americans.

And made it very easy for them to go on welfare and get other government benefits.

Your party has also encouraged illegals to vote and allowed them to go on welfare, both illegal.

Most Americans clearly want immigration to be reformed and reduced. We want to save our country from your deeply corrupt party and its destructive policies.

Deal with it.

Misty » 19 Jan 2018 5:45 pm » wrote: I don't trust anything that Nunes has anything to do with.

BREAKING: House Intel Committee Officially Begins Process To #ReleaseTheMemo
January 20, 2018 by Joshua Caplan 204 Comments
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After millions of Americans called on Congress to release the bombshell FISA abuse memo,
Rep. Dave Joyce (R-OH) announced Saturday that the process has officially begun.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01 ... sethememo/

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 4:17 pm » wrote: Says the loinfo asshole who just like his lover thinks it's cool to use the term Marxist in reference to me.
Explain exactly what makes me a Marxist jackass.
And don't make up a bunch of **** like you usually do.

Trump’s Obama-era rhetoric on shutdowns comes back to haunt him.

In 2011, when Republicans appeared poised to shut down the government, Trump sat down with NBC’s Meredith Vieira and focused his attention on one man: Barack Obama.

VIEIRA: So if there were a partial shutdown of the government come Friday, that would be OK with you.

TRUMP: In my opinion – you know, I hear the Democrats are going to be blamed and the Republicans are going to be blamed.

I actually think the president would be blamed.

If there is a shutdown, and it’s not going to be a horrible shutdown because, as you know, things will sort of keep going…. If there is a shutdown I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States.

He’s the one that has to get people together.

He kept going (and going).

“I’m a deal man,” Trump added.

“I’ve made hundreds and hundreds of deals and transactions.

He never did deals before.

How can you expect a man that’s not a deal man that never did a deal, other than frankly becoming president of the United States, he never did a deal, how’s he going to corral all these people to get them to do a deal?”

Asked how he would prevent a shutdown, Trump boasted, “I would get everybody together and we’d have a budget and it would get done.”

Reminded that the relevant officials had already gotten together, he added, “[T]hey don’t have the right leader. You don’t have the right leader.”

By this reasoning, the fact that the government shutdown is apparently proof that we don’t currently have the right leader.

In September 2013, Trump declared, “[P]roblems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader.

And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.

[Obama] doesn’t do that. He doesn’t like doing that. It’s not his strength.

And that’s why you have this terrible situation…. It’s very embarrassing worldwide.”

He added that no one cares who has what power in Congress, because “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... -haunt-him

Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2018 4:09 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 4:17 pm » wrote:Says the loinfo asshole who just like his lover thinks it's cool to use the term Marxist in reference to me.
Explain exactly what makes me a Marxist jackass.
And don't make up a bunch of **** like you usually do.

You admitted a long back that you wanted to make health care a right.
There are zero rights in the Constitution that give things to Americans from government and obligate others to pay for them, so your opinion is leftist.

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 7:07 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2018 4:09 pm » wrote:

Misty » 18 Jan 2018 4:17 pm » wrote:Says the loinfo asshole who just like his lover thinks it's cool to use the term Marxist in reference to me.
Explain exactly what makes me a Marxist jackass.
And don't make up a bunch of **** like you usually do.

You admitted a long back that you wanted to make health care a right.
There are zero rights in the Constitution that give things to Americans from government and obligate others to pay for them, so your opinion is leftist.

What I have said many times is that I believe that people have a right to AFFORDABLE healthcare.
But way to distort my views, liar.

BTW, when people who can't afford to buy health insurance go to the emergency room, who do you think pays for it?

Others like me in the form of higher premiums.

And I would bet good money that I am paying for your healthcare.
Since you have always refused to tell me what kind of healthcare coverage you have, my money says it's some kind of a government program.
Otherwise why would you be afraid to tell me?

I smell a hypocrite.

Republican Strategist Blasts Trump, GOP Over Shutdown: ‘All Of This Is On Them’

It's going to be hard for Trump to convince the American people that the government shutdown is the Democrats' fault when not even his own party agrees.

Despite the weak effort by Donald Trump and his Republican allies in Congress, even figures in his own party agree that the government shutdown lies squarely in the GOP’s lap.

In a Saturday morning tweet, Republican strategist John Weaver – who has worked for GOP names like Sen. John McCain and Gov. John Kasich – said there is no getting around it: The president and Republicans own this shutdown.

Tweet:



Ultimately, nobody is fooled by what happened here.

The president’s initial move to go after those with DACA status set this whole chain of events into motion.

Along the way, Trump has refused to accept even bipartisan agreements to resolve the crisis.

In a cynical attempt to win Democratic votes, Republicans threw gasoline on the fire by adding CHIP to the equation, using health care for kids as a political football – after refusing to reauthorize it for months.

Let’s not forget that about seven months ago, Trump claimed that maybe what the country needed was a
good shutdown.

Through his own actions, that’s just what he got.

It’s going to be hard for this president to convince the American people that the government shutdown is the Democrats’ fault when not even everybody in his own party agrees.

Huey » 20 Jan 2018 7:20 pm » wrote:

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 7:07 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2018 4:09 pm » wrote:You admitted a long back that you wanted to make health care a right.
There are zero rights in the Constitution that give things to Americans from government and obligate others to pay for them, so your opinion is leftist.

What I have said many times is that I believe that people have a right to AFFORDABLE healthcare.
But way to distort my views, liar.
BTW, when people who can't afford to buy health insurance go to the emergency room, who do you think pays for it?
Others like me in the form of higher premiums.
And I would bet good money that I am paying for your healthcare.
Since you have always refused to tell me what kind of healthcare coverage you have, my money says it's some kind of a government program.
Otherwise why would you be afraid to tell me?
I smell a hypocrite.

Mine is Aetna.

Huey » 20 Jan 2018 7:20 pm » wrote:Aren’t you the idiot always whining about semantics?
The right to affordable healthcare? You had that right prior to the ACA.

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 8:03 pm » wrote:

Huey » 20 Jan 2018 7:20 pm » wrote:

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 7:07 pm » wrote: What I have said many times is that I believe that people have a right to AFFORDABLE healthcare.
But way to distort my views, liar.
BTW, when people who can't afford to buy health insurance go to the emergency room, who do you think pays for it?
Others like me in the form of higher premiums.
And I would bet good money that I am paying for your healthcare.
Since you have always refused to tell me what kind of healthcare coverage you have, my money says it's some kind of a government program.
Otherwise why would you be afraid to tell me?
I smell a hypocrite.

Mine is Aetna.

WTF!
Did I ask you what kind of health care coverage you had?
Why are you answering a question I asked Clem?
Do you two share a brain?

Huey » 20 Jan 2018 7:20 pm » wrote:Aren’t you the idiot always whining about semantics?
The right to affordable healthcare? You had that right prior to the ACA.

I guess that's why we had so many uninsured.

If everyone had been able to afford health insurance, then we wouldn't have needed to pass any new laws, would we?

Misty » 20 Jan 2018 8:11 pm » wrote:Congrats to my daughter who was out there today.
I'm so proud of her.

#WomensMarchNYC