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Misty » 26 Jan 2018 2:11 pm » wrote: Not hiding Sweetie.
I'm right here.

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 4:00 pm » wrote:

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 2:08 pm » wrote:You mean 'Liberal' attorney Alan Dershowitz who hung out with Trump and Jeffrey Epstein back in the day when Epstein was schtupping underage girls?

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 4:45 pm » wrote:It's pretty obvious that Andrew McCabe, Jim Rybicki and James Baker (all possible corroborating witnesses for Comey) have been targeted by 45 and his henchmen.

These are the three people that Comey confided in after his strange meeting with 45, in which 45 asked him if could let the investigation into Michael Flynn go.

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 2:08 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 26 Jan 2018 1:23 pm » wrote:That is a lie. Liberal attorney Alan Dershowitz has said a president engaged in carrying out his Constitutional and legal authority is not obstructing justice.

He said that again last night on Fox. He did say it was very politically unwise.

Why do you think he only appears on Trump TV now?
Because most lawyers disagree with him.

45 can only fire Mueller for cause, and the reasons he gave McGahn when he ordered him to fire him were ludicrous.

(A president) has constitutional duty to “take care that the laws are faithfully executed.” All federal law-enforcement officers assist the president in fulfilling this responsibility, and ultimately he can remove any who refuse his orders. President Trump can effectively preclude any obstruction-of-justice charges against him by firing any prosecutors who dare file them.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ct-justice

Just like the ridiculous reason that Sessions and Rosenstein gave when they fired Comey, that it was because he was mean to Hillary.

Of course the dotard in the WH immediately proved that was **** when he told Lester Holt that he fired Comey because of the Russia thing.
Not to mention that he also told that to the two Russians who visited him in the WH right after the firing, along with some classified information that he also gave them.

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 4:00 pm » wrote:

You're All Cucks Now - By Erick EricksonHe's cheating on you too now. With illegal aliens.

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 4:45 pm » wrote:Trump Launched Campaign to Discredit Potential FBI Witnesses

It's pretty obvious that Andrew McCabe, Jim Rybicki and James Baker (all possible corroborating witnesses for Comey) have been targeted by 45 and his henchmen.
These are the three people that Comey confided in after his strange meeting with 45, in which 45 asked him if could let the investigation into Michael Flynn go.

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 3:21 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 26 Jan 2018 1:55 pm » wrote:Little Miss Marxist claims I'm smearing the entire FBI, rank and file included.

And she never lies!

Can you read your own posts and the title of this thread?:loco:

Salvaging the legacy of the FBI
By John Ligato -
The FBI is experiencing its greatest crisis in our history. J. Edgar Hoover may have kept “intel” files on enemies but never attempted a government coup. Recent leadership at headquarters allowed politics to seep into our DNA, and field agents were smeared with the same brush.

What happened and, what can we do to regain our reputation? The Bureau is about to take some major hits to its legacy and Director Christopher Wray is the only individual who can limit the damage. It’s called leadership.

Several ongoing investigations into alleged FBI wrongdoing may result in years of a continuing news cycle of negativity and a further erosion of the Bureau’s reputation. Mr. Wray has expressed a hesitancy to act in the meantime. Why?

If Mr. Wray does not take action, there may come a time that the FBI can never fully regain public trust. I had been spoiled by the excellent leadership in the Marine Corps. Marine NCO’s and officers led from the front, but recent FBI leadership actions have involved self-serving back room deals and secret societies.

Leadership is not transferring Peter Strzok to Human Resources and having Lisa Page disappear within the bowels of the FBI headquarters. Leadership is not stonewalling congressional requests for information. Leadership is not accepting a bogus technical glitch excuse involving the disappearance of months of texts that have just reappeared. Leadership is not waiting for other government agencies to do your job.

How did we reach this point? We surrendered our independence. The FBI had always maintained an arms-length distance from the politically infested Justice Department. But 20 years of oversight produced an impotent Bureau that required Justice permission to open cases against politicians, clergy, public figures and others. It wasn’t exactly a hostile takeover but rather a seamless merger that began when Robert Mueller was appointed FBI director and culminated with the toxic marriage of FBI staff, Mr. Strzok, Ms. Page, Mr. McCabe, Mr. Comey and Mr. Baker, with Justice attorney’s Bruce Orr, Rod Rosenstein and others.

Just for the record. Loretta Lynch never intended for Justice career prosecutors to judge evidence in the email evidence; she had James Comey do her dirty work.

Mr. Wray should order an immediate OPR investigation. FBI agents can only evoke Fifth Amendment rights in targets of criminal investigations. But if they are granted immunity and refuse to answer routine questions, they can be terminated for insubordination. Mr. McCabe, Mr. Strzok, Ms. Page and others have not yet qualified for retirement benefits, so all would be motivated to talk. But if you do nothing, they will join Lois Lerner with a healthy pension and lawyer up.

The Hillary email case is a classic example of why the FBI is no longer an independent entity. Mr. Comey made a declination announcement, which he had no authority to make, in order to appease the attorney general and the party in power. Once he publicly proclaimed Hillary innocent, he poisoned any potential jury pool if Justice did decide to prosecute. He took a dive, no different than some palooka who throws a fight. But the writing was on the wall when the FBI disregarded standard investigative techniques.

Investigations are normally conducted by our field offices. Mr. Comey’s decision to oversee the investigation at headquarters and assign Peter Strzok as a default case agent was highly questionable. Mr. Strzok conducted a bogus investigation because:

• An experienced case agent would have never offered immunity to Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin and Brian Patagliana.

• An experienced case agent would have demanded a grand jury, and interviewed Hillary for a minimum of two full days based on the amount of contradictions in previous testimony and recovered emails.

• An experienced agent would never allow a subject in an investigation (Cheryl Mills) to witness the interview of another subject (Hillary Clinton). This is akin to providing answers to an exam.

It appears that Mr. Strzok is either a totally incompetent FBI agent or in the bag for Hillary. My guess of the latter is based on the facts and circumstances presented above.

The media is reporting that Mr. Wray threatened to resign rather than reassign Mr. McCabe. If that’s the case, then it is my belief that his resignation would be the first step in restoring the FBI’s Fidelity, Bravery and Integrity.

Mr. McCabe’s continued presence in his position not only presents the appearance of a conflict of interest but is also another sign that Mr. Wray will not take action and demonstrate leadership. If the FBI permanently loses the trust of the American public, then what next?

• John Ligato is a retired FBI agent and former Marine who was the recipient of three Purple Hearts for action in Vietnam. His latest book is “The Near Enemy” (Post Hill Press, 2017)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... is-legacy/

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 3:28 pm » wrote:

Sgt Bilko » 26 Jan 2018 3:20 pm » wrote:Misty the Trump hater and liar is at it again. Lies galore. Her stock in trade about Trump!!

Bilko the Trump Humper and sycophant is at it again. Kisses and tongue baths galore. His stock in trade about the SCROTUS.

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 4:45 pm » wrote:Trump launched campaign to discredit witnesses

It's pretty obvious that Andrew McCabe, Jim Rybicki and James Baker (all possible corroborating witnesses for Comey) have been targeted by 45 and his henchmen.

BREAKING: Sen. Grassley Sends Out Letters – Demands Info from Hillary, DNC, Donna Brazile, Podesta… On Fusion GPS!
January 26, 2018 by Cristina Laila 29 Comments
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Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) sent a batch of letters to DNC leaders demanding information regarding their interactions with dossier author Christopher Steele....



The batch of letters were sent to former DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, former interim DNC chairwoman Donna Brazile, current DNC chair, Tom Perez, former Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and former Clinton campaign chief strategist Joel Benenson....

Paul Sperry of the New York Post tweeted Thursday evening, “I’m told Steele & Simpson + the FBI & DOJ/NSD + even FISC are all gonna be in a world of hurt when this 4-pp memo + underlying docs hit the fan. Steele & Simpson are caught in a sh*tstorm of lies, which further tainted the FBI’s FISA warrant to spy on Team Trump …”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01 ... hors-work/

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 10:59 am » wrote:I don't know where you get the idea that Wolff is my hero.

Ricky Tavy » 26 Jan 2018 9:06 pm » wrote:How cute!

Even after the latest bit of Nunes' **** has been debunked to the point of humiliation, Spermineater remains a dedicated kamikaze pilot.

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 4:45 pm » wrote:

Trump Launched Campaign to Discredit Potential FBI Witnesses

The president targeted three bureau officials who could provide key testimony in the Mueller probe.

President Donald Trump pressed senior aides last June to devise and carry out a campaign to discredit senior FBI officials after learning that those specific employees were likely to be witnesses against him as part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, according to two people directly familiar with the matter.

In testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee on June 8, recently fired FBI Director James Comey disclosed that he spoke contemporaneously with other senior bureau officials about potentially improper efforts by the president to curtail the FBI’s investigation of alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Mueller is investigating whether Trump’s efforts constituted obstruction of justice.

It's pretty obvious that Andrew McCabe, Jim Rybicki and James Baker (all possible corroborating witnesses for Comey) have been targeted by 45 and his henchmen.
These are the three people that Comey confided in after his strange meeting with 45, in which 45 asked him if could let the investigation into Michael Flynn go.

Ricky Tavy » 26 Jan 2018 9:37 pm » wrote:
Somebody ordered some vague bluster form a Deplorable girly boy trying to pose badass in cyber-space? If so, it's getting cold.

Fox News hosts ramp up ‘deep state’ conspiracies.

As the network escalates its attacks on the FBI, mainstream conservatives say it is endangering U.S. institutions.

As Fox News opinion hosts have grown increasingly conspiratorial in the past week — going to ever-greater lengths to defend President Donald Trump — other conservative commentators are expressing alarm at what they describe as a rising threat to both their movement and the country.

Those concerns seemed to come to a head Thursday night, when Fox host Sean Hannity was widely mocked for his logic-bending dismissal of The New York Times’ report that Trump had sought to fire special counsel Robert Mueller.

But Hannity’s coverage was just part of a wider trend, observers say.

For the past week, Fox News opinion hosts have seized on claims by some Republican lawmakers about a “secret society” at the FBI and “deep state actors” to fashion unproven narratives designed to protect Trump and delegitimize Mueller.

On Wednesday night, Hannity told viewers, “The constitutional violations are severe and historically unprecedented in this country.

You have deep state actors using and abusing the powerful tools of intelligence we give them to protect this country.”

On Tuesday, Fox Business Network host Lou Dobbs said, “It may be time to declare war outright against the deep state and clear out the rot in the upper levels of the FBI and the Justice Department.”

Also on Tuesday, Steve Doocy credulously reported on "Fox & Friends": “Lawmakers outraged as bombshell texts from that anti-Trump FBI agent and his girlfriend suggest a secret society within the agency meant to perhaps discredit the president.”

Some Fox News reporters and news anchors have pushed back on those narratives, but it’s the opinion hosts who occupy the key morning and prime-time slots, when the most viewers tune in.

“The network is increasingly engaged in a misinformation campaign aimed directly at the American people for the purposes of sowing confusing and spinning a web of protective armor around the president, who is being investigated,” said Steve Schmidt, the Republican political strategist who ran John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign.

Schmidt, who is also an analyst for MSNBC, said he’s noticed a marked shift on Fox in the past week, as commentators have ramped up their attacks on institutions, like the FBI, once sacred to conservatives.

“This is not normal. Not healthy in a democracy,” he said.

Stuart Stevens, the Republican who served as chief strategist for Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign, had a similar view.

“In the 1960s, some rich white radicals attacked the justice system, ranted about government conspiracies and called for violent opposition,” he wrote in an email.

“They called themselves Weathermen. Now the same is happening, and they call themselves conservative commentators. But it’s equally nutty.”

Jennifer Rubin, a conservative columnist at The Washington Post, noted to POLITICO that the points being made on shows like "Hannity" and "Fox & Friends" echo those being reportedly pushed by Russian bots on social media.

“When they turn on a dime and begin adopting the same position as Russian bots and start attacking the FBI, we’ve gone to a whole new level of crazy,” she said.

“It’s almost like Fox has become the RT, the Russia Today, for the administration and the Kremlin,” she added.

Those comments were made to POLITICO on Thursday afternoon, before the Times’ scoop that Trump backed off from firing Mueller only when White House Counsel Don McGahn threatened to resign.

Fox News spokespeople did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

The Times story broke during Tucker Carlson’s 8 p.m. show, though the host barely touched on it.

In the following hour, Sean Hannity initially dismissed the report, telling viewers that the paper was “trying to distract you.”

Later in his show, though, he acknowledged that Fox News reporter Ed Henry had confirmed the reporting.

Referring to Trump, Hannity sheepishly added, “Does he not have the right to raise those questions? You know, we’ll deal with this tomorrow night.”

Hannity then transitioned to coverage of a car crash.

"Fox & Friends," widely regarded as a favorite show of the president, also cast doubt on the Times story Friday morning, as host Pete Hegseth opined, “You look in the first paragraph, all of this reporting based on four people who are told of the matter.”

Fellow host Ainsley Earhardt added, “It's something we have to tell you have about because it is a headline on The New York Times.

What do you think about that? Do you even care?”

In a Thursday interview on CNBC, Bill Kristol, the Weekly Standard editor who was a Fox News analyst from 2002 to 2012, alleged that the channel has become increasingly conspiratorial over the past several years, saying, "Seventy-five percent of it seems to be birther-like coverage of different issues."

Rubin said, though, that the most recent commentary is beyond anything that’s aired on the network in the past.

“The substance of what they’re saying and the conspiracy theories that are being floated are so much weirder and so much less credible than simply taking a suspicious view of the events leading up to Benghazi or questioning the motives of President Obama.

There was once upon a time some factual basis for what they were looking at — some may have been drawing unreasonable conclusions and some may have been exaggerating, but here they appear to be making stuff up from whole cloth, so I do think it’s worse.”

The main catalyst for Fox’s shift has been stories revolving around text messages sent between FBI agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page, in which they express critical views of Trump. Both were previously involved in Mueller’s investigation, though they no longer are.

GOP lawmakers appeared on Fox News early in the week, trumpeting a text that they said proved that Page and Strzok were part of a “secret society” within the FBI determined to bring down the president.

But when the text became public on Wednesday, it became clear that the phrase “secret society” had been used in a tongue-in-cheek way.

Fox News hosts also seized on the FBI’s admission that five months of Page and Strzok’s texts between December 2016 and May 2017 were missing as proof of foul play.

But on Thursday, reports emerged that the texts had been recovered.

On Tuesday, Fox News host Jeanine Pirro tweeted a link to a story about Page and Strzok and the “secret society” claims, writing, “I’ve said it before - THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT IN CUFFS.”

Throughout Tuesday and much of Wednesday, the texts were a constant source of discussion on Fox News, with video of interviews on the topic with Republican Reps. Trey Gowdy and John Ratcliffe, as well as Sen. Ron Johnson, running frequently.

“And that secret society — we have an informant talking about a group that were holding secret meetings off-site.

There's so much smoke here, there's so much suspicion," Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, said in his Tuesday interview.

Charlie Sykes, a longtime conservative radio host and MSNBC contributor, said he believes the recent ramping-up of Fox News hosts’ rhetoric is due to the Mueller probe gaining intensity.

In the past week, news has emerged that Mueller has interviewed Attorney General Jeff Sessions and former FBI head James Comey.

Whether and when Trump would speak to the special prosecutor has also been in the news.

Sykes believes that Fox News hosts’ campaign to protect Trump — echoed throughout conservative talk radio — will have long-lasting effects.

“Long term, you’ve done tremendous damage to a number of institutions that we used to respect,” Sykes said.

“You’re seeing the delegitimization of the news media, the delegitimization of law enforcement, of the intelligence community, perhaps of the federal judiciary. Long term, this will have consequences.”

Schmidt agreed, saying, “If you don’t understand the threat that this poses institutionally to liberty in this country, you don’t understand what that threat is.”

“You haven’t seen an unleashing of unmoored, crazy accusations with a witch-hunt trial atmosphere attached to it since you’ve been in the heart of the McCarthy era and the Red Scare in the 1950s,” Schmidt added.

Rubin, the Washington Post columnist, also noted the feedback loop that’s formed between Republican members of Congress promoting “deep state” theories and the network’s hosts.

Johnson, Gowdy and Ratcliffe’s appearances gave them valuable airtime in front of the conservative base, while the network gained fresh fodder for discussion.

“You have people who haven’t been known to be crackpots in the past, like Sen. Johnson, suddenly saying the most ridiculous sorts of things,” Rubin said.

“So the behavior seems to be spreading from the few to the many, and I think they do take great energy from one another.”

Later on Wednesday, after it became clear that the phrase “secret society” had been used in jest, Fox News hosts stopped referencing it quite as often.

That does not mean they abandoned their conspiratorial outlook, though.

On Thursday morning’s "Fox & Friends," Doocy referenced how the FBI had been unable to recover months of texts between Page and Strzok and mused, “Was it part of the deep state?”

Termin8tor » 24 Jan 2018 3:22 pm » wrote:I think it's hilarious that you call mainstream conservatives Nazis.

Misty » 24 Jan 2018 3:49 pm » wrote:Which mainstream Conservative did I call a Nazi?
And please don't say you.
You are NOT a mainstream Conservative.

Termin8tor » 24 Jan 2018 3:51 pm » wrote:She lies.
Cite any principles I have that are not mainstream conservative.
I'll wait.
Forever.

Misty » 24 Jan 2018 7:18 pm » wrote:Since you joined Cult45 you have taken to advancing far right crazy conspiracy theories.
And mainstream Conservatives do not love Russia and hate the FBI.

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 11:03 am » wrote:Fox News hosts ramp up ‘deep state’ conspiracies.

Posted for Clem who still thinks he's a mainstream Conservative.

Steve Schmidt, Stuart Stevens, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, and Charlie's Sykes are all mainstream Coservatives. Clem is not.

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 11:03 am » wrote:Posted for Clem who still thinks he's a mainstream Conservative.


Fox News hosts ramp up ‘deep state’ conspiracies.
As the network escalates its attacks on the FBI, mainstream conservatives say it is endangering U.S. institutions.

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 11:05 am » wrote:45 is terrified that his dirty business dealings are going to be revealed.

That's why he is working so hard to impede the investigation.

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 11:03 am » wrote:Posted for Clem who still thinks he's a mainstream Conservative.

Steve Schmidt, Stuart Stevens, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, and Charlie's Sykes are all mainstream Coservatives. Clem is not.