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Termin8tor » 27 Jan 2018 12:30 pm » wrote:

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 11:03 am » wrote:Posted for Clem who still thinks he's a mainstream Conservative.
Steve Schmidt, Stuart Stevens, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, and Charlie's Sykes are all mainstream Coservatives. Clem is not.

Poor little Miss Marxist seems to be hiding out in her Propaganda thread, safe from my citations of factual information.
Where she censors my posts, the cowardly little fascist.

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 12:58 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 27 Jan 2018 12:30 pm » wrote:Poor little Miss Marxist seems to be hiding out in her Propaganda thread, safe from my citations of factual information.

Where she censors my posts, the cowardly little fascist.

Oh STFU you stupid whiny little bastard.
I'm not hiding anywhere.

And it's a comedy thread, not a propaganda thread, which is a concept you seem too dense to comprehend.

The Joseph Goebbels of Liberal Forum accusing me of spreading propaganda.
Now that is funny.

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 11:03 am » wrote:Posted for Clem who still thinks he's a mainstream Conservative.

Steve Schmidt, Stuart Stevens, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, and Charlie's Sykes are all mainstream Coservatives. Clem is not.

Misty » 26 Jan 2018 3:02 pm » wrote: I did a little hunting on my own, because you will never provide a link.

Misty » 25 Jan 2018 4:36 pm » wrote:How can they be a credible source if they post conspiracy theories and FAKE News stories?

CONCLUSIVE PROOF THAT MICHAEL WOLFF IS A LIAR
Michael Wolff’s book about the Trump White House was released to great fanfare, but quickly proved to be full of errors and outright lies. I doubt that anyone takes it seriously anymore, but in any event, this should be the last nail in its coffin:
On Bill Maher’s HBO program, Wolff — author of a best-selling, fact-challenged book on the first Trump year — recently claimed he’d omitted an “incendiary” incident because he lacked “ultimate proof.”

But he invited people to “read between the lines” of a paragraph near the book’s end; when you do, “you’re going to say ‘Bingo!’ ”

The political Twittersphere then went viral over a sentence claiming [U.N. Ambassador Nikki] Haley “had been spending a notable amount of private time” with Trump on Air Force One. Bingo, they concluded: The president and his UN envoy are having an affair.

Mrs. Haley has denounced Wolff’s lie, noting among other things that she has been on board Air Force One a grand total of once. While this is an extreme case, in one sense it is typical: liberals are always the quickest to engage in sexist and racist smears when it suits their political goals.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... a-liar.php

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 11:03 am » wrote:Posted for Clem who still thinks he's a mainstream Conservative.

Fox News hosts ramp up ‘deep state’ conspiracies.

As the network escalates its attacks on the FBI, mainstream conservatives say it is endangering U.S. institutions.

As Fox News opinion hosts have grown increasingly conspiratorial in the past week — going to ever-greater lengths to defend President Donald Trump — other conservative commentators are expressing alarm at what they describe as a rising threat to both their movement and the country.

Those concerns seemed to come to a head Thursday night, when Fox host Sean Hannity was widely mocked for his logic-bending dismissal of The New York Times’ report that Trump had sought to fire special counsel Robert Mueller.

But Hannity’s coverage was just part of a wider trend, observers say.

For the past week, Fox News opinion hosts have seized on claims by some Republican lawmakers about a “secret society” at the FBI and “deep state actors” to fashion unproven narratives designed to protect Trump and delegitimize Mueller.

On Wednesday night, Hannity told viewers, “The constitutional violations are severe and historically unprecedented in this country.

You have deep state actors using and abusing the powerful tools of intelligence we give them to protect this country.”

On Tuesday, Fox Business Network host Lou Dobbs said, “It may be time to declare war outright against the deep state and clear out the rot in the upper levels of the FBI and the Justice Department.”

Also on Tuesday, Steve Doocy credulously reported on "Fox & Friends": “Lawmakers outraged as bombshell texts from that anti-Trump FBI agent and his girlfriend suggest a secret society within the agency meant to perhaps discredit the president.”

Some Fox News reporters and news anchors have pushed back on those narratives, but it’s the opinion hosts who occupy the key morning and prime-time slots, when the most viewers tune in.

“The network is increasingly engaged in a misinformation campaign aimed directly at the American people for the purposes of sowing confusing and spinning a web of protective armor around the president, who is being investigated,” said Steve Schmidt, the Republican political strategist who ran John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign.

Schmidt, who is also an analyst for MSNBC, said he’s noticed a marked shift on Fox in the past week, as commentators have ramped up their attacks on institutions, like the FBI, once sacred to conservatives.

“This is not normal. Not healthy in a democracy,” he said.

Stuart Stevens, the Republican who served as chief strategist for Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign, had a similar view.

“In the 1960s, some rich white radicals attacked the justice system, ranted about government conspiracies and called for violent opposition,” he wrote in an email.

“They called themselves Weathermen. Now the same is happening, and they call themselves conservative commentators. But it’s equally nutty.”

Jennifer Rubin, a conservative columnist at The Washington Post, noted to POLITICO that the points being made on shows like "Hannity" and "Fox & Friends" echo those being reportedly pushed by Russian bots on social media.

“When they turn on a dime and begin adopting the same position as Russian bots and start attacking the FBI, we’ve gone to a whole new level of crazy,” she said.

“It’s almost like Fox has become the RT, the Russia Today, for the administration and the Kremlin,” she added.

Those comments were made to POLITICO on Thursday afternoon, before the Times’ scoop that Trump backed off from firing Mueller only when White House Counsel Don McGahn threatened to resign.

Fox News spokespeople did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

The Times story broke during Tucker Carlson’s 8 p.m. show, though the host barely touched on it.

In the following hour, Sean Hannity initially dismissed the report, telling viewers that the paper was “trying to distract you.”

Later in his show, though, he acknowledged that Fox News reporter Ed Henry had confirmed the reporting.

Referring to Trump, Hannity sheepishly added, “Does he not have the right to raise those questions? You know, we’ll deal with this tomorrow night.”

Hannity then transitioned to coverage of a car crash.

"Fox & Friends," widely regarded as a favorite show of the president, also cast doubt on the Times story Friday morning, as host Pete Hegseth opined, “You look in the first paragraph, all of this reporting based on four people who are told of the matter.”

Fellow host Ainsley Earhardt added, “It's something we have to tell you have about because it is a headline on The New York Times.

What do you think about that? Do you even care?”

In a Thursday interview on CNBC, Bill Kristol, the Weekly Standard editor who was a Fox News analyst from 2002 to 2012, alleged that the channel has become increasingly conspiratorial over the past several years, saying, "Seventy-five percent of it seems to be birther-like coverage of different issues."

Rubin said, though, that the most recent commentary is beyond anything that’s aired on the network in the past.

“The substance of what they’re saying and the conspiracy theories that are being floated are so much weirder and so much less credible than simply taking a suspicious view of the events leading up to Benghazi or questioning the motives of President Obama.

There was once upon a time some factual basis for what they were looking at — some may have been drawing unreasonable conclusions and some may have been exaggerating, but here they appear to be making stuff up from whole cloth, so I do think it’s worse.”

The main catalyst for Fox’s shift has been stories revolving around text messages sent between FBI agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page, in which they express critical views of Trump. Both were previously involved in Mueller’s investigation, though they no longer are.

GOP lawmakers appeared on Fox News early in the week, trumpeting a text that they said proved that Page and Strzok were part of a “secret society” within the FBI determined to bring down the president.

But when the text became public on Wednesday, it became clear that the phrase “secret society” had been used in a tongue-in-cheek way.

Fox News hosts also seized on the FBI’s admission that five months of Page and Strzok’s texts between December 2016 and May 2017 were missing as proof of foul play.

But on Thursday, reports emerged that the texts had been recovered.

On Tuesday, Fox News host Jeanine Pirro tweeted a link to a story about Page and Strzok and the “secret society” claims, writing, “I’ve said it before - THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT IN CUFFS.”

Throughout Tuesday and much of Wednesday, the texts were a constant source of discussion on Fox News, with video of interviews on the topic with Republican Reps. Trey Gowdy and John Ratcliffe, as well as Sen. Ron Johnson, running frequently.

“And that secret society — we have an informant talking about a group that were holding secret meetings off-site.

There's so much smoke here, there's so much suspicion," Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, said in his Tuesday interview.

Charlie Sykes, a longtime conservative radio host and MSNBC contributor, said he believes the recent ramping-up of Fox News hosts’ rhetoric is due to the Mueller probe gaining intensity.

In the past week, news has emerged that Mueller has interviewed Attorney General Jeff Sessions and former FBI head James Comey.

Whether and when Trump would speak to the special prosecutor has also been in the news.

Sykes believes that Fox News hosts’ campaign to protect Trump — echoed throughout conservative talk radio — will have long-lasting effects.

“Long term, you’ve done tremendous damage to a number of institutions that we used to respect,” Sykes said.

“You’re seeing the delegitimization of the news media, the delegitimization of law enforcement, of the intelligence community, perhaps of the federal judiciary. Long term, this will have consequences.”

Schmidt agreed, saying, “If you don’t understand the threat that this poses institutionally to liberty in this country, you don’t understand what that threat is.”

“You haven’t seen an unleashing of unmoored, crazy accusations with a witch-hunt trial atmosphere attached to it since you’ve been in the heart of the McCarthy era and the Red Scare in the 1950s,” Schmidt added.

Rubin, the Washington Post columnist, also noted the feedback loop that’s formed between Republican members of Congress promoting “deep state” theories and the network’s hosts.

Johnson, Gowdy and Ratcliffe’s appearances gave them valuable airtime in front of the conservative base, while the network gained fresh fodder for discussion.

“You have people who haven’t been known to be crackpots in the past, like Sen. Johnson, suddenly saying the most ridiculous sorts of things,” Rubin said.

“So the behavior seems to be spreading from the few to the many, and I think they do take great energy from one another.”

Later on Wednesday, after it became clear that the phrase “secret society” had been used in jest, Fox News hosts stopped referencing it quite as often.

That does not mean they abandoned their conspiratorial outlook, though.

On Thursday morning’s "Fox & Friends," Doocy referenced how the FBI had been unable to recover months of texts between Page and Strzok and mused, “Was it part of the deep state?”

Steve Schmidt, Stuart Stevens, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, and Charlie's Sykes are all mainstream Coservatives. Clem is not.

Termin8tor » 24 Jan 2018 3:22 pm » wrote:I think it's hilarious that you call mainstream conservatives Nazis.

Misty » 24 Jan 2018 3:49 pm » wrote:Which mainstream Conservative did I call a Nazi?
And please don't say you.
You are NOT a mainstream Conservative.

Termin8tor » 24 Jan 2018 3:51 pm » wrote:She lies.
Cite any principles I have that are not mainstream conservative.
I'll wait.
Forever.

Misty » 24 Jan 2018 7:18 pm » wrote:Since you joined Cult45 you have taken to advancing far right crazy conspiracy theories.
And mainstream Conservatives do not love Russia and hate the FBI.

Misty » 25 Jan 2018 2:13 pm » wrote:Maybe because it isn't a massive scandal.

Evidence suggests a massive scandal is brewing at the FBI
Michael Goodwin By Michael Goodwin | New York Post
Washington wagons (are) circling the agency to protect it from charges of corruption. This time, the appropriate tag line is “too big to believe.”


Yet each day brings credible reports suggesting there is a massive scandal involving the top ranks of America’s premier law enforcement agency. The reports, which feature talk among agents of a “secret society” and suddenly missing text messages, point to the existence both of a cabal dedicated to defeating Donald Trump in 2016 and of a plan to let Hillary Clinton skate free in the classified email probe.

If either one is true — and I believe both probably are — it would mean FBI leaders betrayed the nation by abusing their powers in a bid to pick the president.....


Even worse, there is growing reason to believe someone in President Barack Obama’s administration turned over classified information about Trump to the Clinton campaign.


As one former federal prosecutor put it, “It doesn’t get worse than that.” That prosecutor, Joseph ­diGenova, believes Trump was correct when he claimed that Trump Tower was wiretapped.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/23/evidence- ... t-the-fbi/

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 11:03 am » wrote:Posted for Clem who still thinks he's a mainstream Conservative.

Steve Schmidt, Stuart Stevens, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, and Charlie's Sykes are all mainstream Coservatives. Clem is not.

by KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON January 28, 2018 4:00 AM @KEVINNR
There is a reason for the crisis of faith in our institutions....


Another big tranche of missing communications? Really?
When the IRS was in trouble for targeting tea-party organizations and other conservative groups in the run-up to the 2012 election, thousands of emails — evidence under subpoena — went missing. John Koskinen, then acting commissioner of the IRS, lied to Congress about how and why that happened, a fact he was later forced to acknowledge. As a legal question, the result of all that malfeasance — destroying evidence — was precisely squat. Lois Lerner walks the streets a free woman with a fat federal pension, and John Koskinen is perfectly comfortable showing his face in the daylight. And now it is the FBI’s turn. With serious questions being posed about the bureau’s activities during the 2016 election — about whether the bureau protected Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama in the matter of their habit of using off-the-books email communications to avoid ordinary oversight — the FBI has suddenly discovered months’ worth of communication between FBI counterintelligence specialist Peter Strzok and his paramour, FBI lawyer Lisa Page. The two exchanged politically charged messages about Trump and the Clinton email investigation, and Strzok wrote darkly of developing an “insurance policy” against Trump’s election, still regarded as highly unlikely at that time.
no sane person believes for a nanosecond that those “lost” communications represent anything other than willful obstruction of justice. If you are on the FBI’s radar and you got a parking ticket in Sheboygan in 1983, the FBI knows whether you paid it. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is a federal bureau in the business of conducting investigations.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... -sometimes

Termin8tor » 28 Jan 2018 9:53 am » wrote:

Misty » 25 Jan 2018 2:13 pm » wrote:Maybe because it isn't a massive scandal.

Every conservative source I read largely agrees with me.

Misty » 28 Jan 2018 10:46 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 28 Jan 2018 9:53 am » wrote:Every conservative source I read largely agrees with me.

So if you're to be believed, there are only a dozen or so "mainstream conservatives" left in the entire country.

And you never lie!

You don't read Conservative sources.
You read wingnut conspiracy sites.

are mainstream.

Misty » 28 Jan 2018 10:46 am » wrote:That time when 45 compared our intelligence agencies to Nazi Germany.
I'm sure you were outraged over that, right Puss?

GRASSLEY PURSUES AMERICA’S BIGGEST SCANDAL

While the Democratic Party press tries to pump life into Bob Mueller’s going-nowhere-fast Russia investigation, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles Grassley continues to burrow into the real scandal: the corruption of the Department of Justice and the FBI by Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... candal.php

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 11:03 am » wrote:Posted for Clem who still thinks he's a mainstream Conservative.

Steve Schmidt, Stuart Stevens, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, and Charlie's Sykes are all mainstream Coservatives. Clem is not.

FBI went to great lengths to plot against Donald Trump
By Wayne Allyn Root Review-Journal
January 27, 2018 - 9:00 pm
... there is much more important news involving the exploding FBI/Department of Justice scandal and the shocking, about-to-be-world-famous FISA memo.


Many in the FBI/DOJ leadership will be fired or forced to resign. Many others may wind up serving prison time....


It’s clear this “secret society” met off-site to plot against the president of the United States. These rogue plotters used “burner phones” because they were so afraid their plot could be uncovered. Burner phones? Is this the FBI or the Colombian cocaine cartel?...


The FBI suddenly claimed 50,000 texts from Strzok and Page were gone, missing, disappeared. Two days later the DOJ inspector general announced he found them. Of course, he did. FBI forensic experts find missing texts from bad guys every day. That means the FBI was purposely trying to hide these 50,000 texts. Can you imagine what’s in them?


Folks, this is called a coup. This is supposed to happen only in a banana republic. But that’s exactly what America became under Barack Obama — a cesspool of crime, corruption, conspiracy and media/big government collusion.


The infamous FISA memo will soon be released one way or another — whether GOP congressmen read it out loud on the House floor, or President Trump reads it out loud during his State of the Union. We know specific names have been leaked from this memo about terrible crimes committed.....


This is the worst scandal in U.S. history. The FBI may never recover. Faith in government may never recover. The Democrat Party will never recover.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/o ... ald-trump/

Misty » 27 Jan 2018 11:03 am » wrote:Posted for Clem who still thinks he's a mainstream Conservative.

Steve Schmidt, Stuart Stevens, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, and Charlie's Sykes are all mainstream Coservatives. Clem is not.

Mollie Ziegler Hemingway — a senior editor at The Federalist and Fox News contributor ....calls the use of the dossier to obtain surveillance on Trump administration officials a “scandal of epic proportions.”
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/27/hemin ... collusion/

Misty » 28 Jan 2018 10:46 am » wrote:You don't read Conservative sources.
You read wingnut conspiracy sites.

Misty » 28 Jan 2018 7:05 pm » wrote:

Misty » 28 Jan 2018 7:42 pm » wrote: