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Another thing that happens here when these events happen, you have all kinds of speculation that erupts.
And there is an ongoing theory -- Mr. Snerdley, correct me if I'm wrong about this.
There's an ongoing theory that the shooter himself may in fact be a leftist who writes the manifesto and then goes out and performs the deed purposely to smear his political enemies, knowing he's going to get shot in the process.
You know you just can't -- you can't immediately discount this.
The left is this insane, they are this crazy.
And then if that's exactly what the guy is trying to do then he's hit a home run, because right there on Fox News: "Shooter is an admitted white nationalist who hates immigrants."

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019 ... ear/223154

Misty » 15 Mar 2019 5:49 pm » wrote:Innocent people don't behave this way.

He reeks of desperation.

NY appeals court rules President Donald Trump must face Summer Zervos' defamation lawsuit.

NEW YORK — President Donald Trump cannot dismiss the defamation lawsuit filed against him by Summer Zervos, a former contestant on his "Apprentice" reality show who accuse him of sexual groping, a New York appeals court ruled Thursday.

U.S. presidents may not claim constitutional protection to gain temporary immunity from private lawsuits over alleged misconduct, the Appellate Division of the New York Supreme Court said.

"We reject defendant President Trump's argument that the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution prevents a New York State court — and every other state court in the country — from exercising its authority under its state constitution," the five-justice panel ruled in a decision written by Justice Dianne Renwick.

"Instead, we find that the Supremacy Clause was never intended to deprive a state court of its authority to decide cases and controversies under the state's constitution."

"Though he is tasked with significant responsibilities, the President is still a person, and he is not above the law," the court added.

Although the justices concurred that Zervos' case presented a valid argument for defamation, Justices Angela Mazzarelli and Peter Tom said the lawsuit should be delayed until Trump leaves office.

"Subjecting the President to a state trial court's jurisdiction imposes upon him a degree of control by the State of New York that interferes with his ability to carry out his constitutional duty of executing the laws of the United States," Mazzarelli wrote in the partial dissent.

The majority ruling upheld an earlier New York Supreme Court decision that allowed the case to go forward.

In June, justices of New York's highest court rejected efforts by Trump's lawyers to win a temporary block of legal discovery in the Zervos case.

The decision set the stage for a likely pretrial deposition of Trump sometime this spring or summer.

"We respectfully disagree with the majority decision in the Appellate Division," said Trump's attorney Marc Kasowitz in a statement that called the partial dissent "well reasoned."

"We will seek to appeal the majority decision to New York’s highest court, the Court of Appeals, which we expect will agree with the dissent," he said.

Mariann Meier Wang, an attorney for Zervos, said she and the former Apprentice contestant were pleased by Trump's latest legal setback in the case.

"We look forward to proving to a jury that Ms. Zervos told the truth about Defendant’s unwanted sexual groping and holding him accountable for his malicious lies," Wang said.

Filed in January 2017, Zervos' lawsuit alleges that Trump “ambushed” her more than once in 2007, nine years before he was elected president, by kissing her on the mouth, touching her breast, and pressing his genitals against her.

Zervos also accused Trump of defaming her during presidential campaign rallies and via Twitter.

During an Oct. 15, 2016, campaign stop in Maine, Trump alluded to Zervos by referring to "false allegations and outright lies, in an effort to elect Hillary Clinton President," the lawsuit charges.

Trump has denied Zervos' allegations and dismissed them as false.

During state Supreme Court arguments in the case, Kasowitz said Trump's statements about Zervos were constitutionally protected remarks in which he defended himself.

Trump's attorneys rely in part on some of the legal arguments then-President Bill Clinton's lawyers made when he was accused in a 1994 federal court lawsuit over an alleged sexual assault.

Paula Jones alleged that the attack on her took place in 1991 when she was an Arkansas state employee and Clinton was the state's governor.

The U.S. Supreme Court agreed that presidents may be tried in federal courts during their office terms for allegations of private misconduct.

After a four-year legal battle, Clinton agreed to pay an $850,000 settlement.

Attorneys on both sides in the Zervos case agreed that there has been no definitive legal ruling on whether a sitting U.S. president may be sued in a state court over allegations that do not involve official White House duties.

Termin8tor » 15 Mar 2019 7:51 pm » wrote:

Misty » 15 Mar 2019 5:49 pm » wrote:Innocent people don't behave this way.
He reeks of desperation.

Uh, no, he's very confident. Despite your silly claims, there remains zero evidence that Trump or anyone close to him committed any crimes.

Termin8tor » 15 Mar 2019 7:51 pm » wrote:Asked what his greatest accomplishment as president would be, he said exposing and holding to account everyone involved in this massive abuse of power.
Dan Bongino said tonight on Tucker Carlson that he is "absolutely sure" this will happen.
There's a new sheriff in town, William Barr, and he's pretty pissed.

A short history of President Trump’s anti-Muslim bigotry.

On Friday, 49 people were killed in a terrorist attack at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand — the country’s worst mass killing since 1943. A suspect charged in the attack was reportedly an anti-Muslim zealot.

As news of the attack was unfolding, President Trump tweeted a link to Breitbart — a far-right “news” site.

Breitbart has published vile anti-Muslim hatred, including calling Muslims “rapefugees,” mocking the notion of Islamophobia, and absurdly claiming that terrorist attacks are “an expression of mainstream Muslim values.”

It’s a site where Muslim-hating white supremacists — like at least one of those who allegedly carried out the attack in Christchurch — would find writers who gave them rhetorical ammunition for their ideologies of hate. (Trump has since deleted the tweet.)

Trump is an Islamophobic bigot.

As president, his words matter.

He is using them to spread hatred.

And deranged, unwell or evil people have allegedly been inspired by those words to target the very people that Trump targets in his speeches and his tweets.

The charged suspect in New Zealand cited Trump “as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose” (though he also said he rejected Trump as a policymaker and leader).

Trump’s anti-Muslim bigotry has a long history.

In 2011 and 2012, Trump insinuated that President Barack Obama was secretly Muslim.

In September 2015, at a campaign rally, Trump nodded along as a supporter claimed “we have a problem in this country; it’s called Muslims.”

Trump continued nodding, saying “right,” and “we need this question!” as the supporter then proceeded to ask Trump “when can we get rid of them [Muslims]?”

In response, Trump said: “We’re going to be looking at a lot of different things.”

In November 2015, on “Morning Joe,” Trump said that America needs to “watch and study the mosques.”

Four days later, he indicated that he would “certainly implement” a database to track Muslims in the United States.

Two days after that, he falsely claimed that “thousands and thousands” of Muslims cheered in New Jersey when the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001.

Then came the most egregious statement — one that should haunt Trump’s legacy forever and taint everyone who supported him subsequently: On Dec. 7, 2015, he called to ban all Muslims from entering the United States.

Three days later, Trump tweeted that the United Kingdom is “trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem.”

On March 9, 2016, Trump falsely claimed that “Islam hates us.”

Upon taking office, Trump surrounded himself with anti-Muslim bigots.

Sebastian Gorka, a former Trump adviser, was fired by the FBI for his Islamophobia. Michael Flynn, Trump’s disgraced national-security-adviser-turned-felon, said that Islam “is like a cancer.”

And top officials such as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and national security adviser John Bolton have also stoked hatred of Islam.

In late November 2017, Trump retweeted three videos by Jayda Fransen.

She was one of the leaders of Britain First, a neo-fascist hate group.

She has been convicted of multiple hate-crime offenses and was involved in organizing “Christian patrols,” which included what Britain First called “mosque invasions” aimed at intimidating British Muslims.

While Fransen was out on bail, she appeared on Radio Aryan, a neo-Nazi radio station.

Her interview began right after the station concluded its reading from “Mein Kampf.”

That is who the president of the United States chose to amplify to his millions and millions of Twitter followers.

The list of Trump’s anti-Muslim bigotry goes on and on.

But just imagine replacing the word “Muslim” with “Jewish” or “black” in any of statements above.

It immediately becomes clear that there is a grotesque double standard when it comes to the mainstream acceptance of anti-Muslim bigotry without consequence in the United States and the broader Western world.

We must never reduce our vigilance toward the dangerous scourges of anti-Semitism and racism, but we must hold anti-Muslim bigots to the same standard that we would hold other bigots.

Last week, a prominent Fox News host and Trump ally, Judge Jeanine Pirro, suggested that wearing a Muslim hijab could be incompatible with believing in the U.S. Constitution.

After her remarks sparked outrage, Pirro went on broadcasting as usual, only eliciting a toothless statement from Fox News.

It’s clear that in media and in politics alike, vilifying Muslims is not unsavory enough to actually elicit consequences.

Some of the president’s supporters might accuse me of “politicizing tragedy,” but that is the only appropriate thing to do when tragedies are made more likely because of our politics.

Hollow statements of condolence are meaningless if you are willing to turn around and support an Islamophobic bigot in the White House who makes those condolences more necessary.

The attack on New Zealand is an attack on religious freedom and an attack on that hallowed principle that worshiping the God of your choice should not make you a target of violence.

But if we want to stop such massacres, we need to work much harder to stamp out hate and bigotry in society — and part of that is to stop electing or supporting hateful bigots.

Misty » 15 Mar 2019 9:13 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 15 Mar 2019 7:51 pm » wrote:Uh, no, he's very confident. Despite your silly claims, there remains zero evidence that Trump or anyone close to him committed any crimes.

Every time I think that you couldn't possibly say anything more stupid than you already have, you prove me wrong.

Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, George Papadopoulos, Michael Cohen, and Roger Stone may soon be joining the list.

Asked what his greatest accomplishment as president would be, he said exposing and holding to account everyone involved in this massive abuse of power.

Dan Bongino said tonight on Tucker Carlson that he is "absolutely sure" this will happen.

There's a new sheriff in town, William Barr, and he's pretty pissed.

Well if Dan Bongino said it, it must be true.
Who the **** is Dan Bongino?

That you refuse to read anything about, yet lie is a "wingnut conspiracy theory."

Psychopath.

Misty » 15 Mar 2019 10:03 pm » wrote:This is what you say when your name is mentioned by a mass murderer.

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 7:48 am » wrote:

Misty » 15 Mar 2019 9:13 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 15 Mar 2019 7:51 pm » wrote:Uh, no, he's very confident. Despite your silly claims, there remains zero evidence that Trump or anyone close to him committed any crimes.

Every time I think that you couldn't possibly say anything more stupid than you already have, you prove me wrong.
Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, George Papadopoulos, Michael Cohen, and Roger Stone may soon be joining the list.

Every time I think you couldn't possibly say thing more stupid than you already have, you prove me wrong. Manafort's crimes have nothing to do with Trump and the rest are mere process crimes.

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 8:36 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 8:35 am » wrote:

Misty » 15 Mar 2019 10:03 pm » wrote:This is what you say when your name is mentioned by a mass murderer.

Did you blame Bernie Sanders when one of his supporters attempted mass murder and almost killed Steve Scalise?
Of course not.
You dishonestly twist everything out of shape in order to bludgeon your political opponents.

Misty » 15 Mar 2019 10:03 pm » wrote:The charged suspect in New Zealand cited Trump “as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose” (though he also said he rejected Trump as a policymaker and leader).

So he didn't like Trump as a policymaker or a leader, but he admired him as 'a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.'

Has Trump disassociated himself from those remarks?

This is what you say when your name is mentioned by a mass murderer.

Misty » 16 Mar 2019 3:29 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 8:35 am » wrote:Did you blame Bernie Sanders when one of his supporters attempted mass murder and almost killed Steve Scalise?

Of course not.

You dishonestly twist everything out of shape in order to bludgeon your political opponents.

I didn't blame Trump for the shooting you asshole.
What I said was that he should have disassociated himself from the comments that the shooter made about him in his manifesto, like someone else who was mentioned did.

But you keep lying because that is what you do best.

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 7:56 am » wrote:Anyone who has read excerpts from the Koran know that it has very mixed messages, some of peace and acceptance.

Some of wild calls to violence, acceptance of rape of non-believers, pedophilia, etc.

Mohammed himself married a 12-year-old child bride.

Sexual assault and rape of non-believers by muslims has skyrocketed in every country that has allowed in large numbers of Muslim immigrants, even Sweden. Britain had a huge scandal about Muslims raping under aged girls and holding them in sexual slavery.

I thought you were against rape and child rape?

Not when Breitbart decries it. Then you lie that it's "Islamophobia."

You dishonestly twist everything into a weapon with which to bludgeon your enemies, even rape and pedophilia.

Psychopath.

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 3:34 pm » wrote:

Misty » 16 Mar 2019 3:29 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 8:35 am » wrote:Did you blame Bernie Sanders when one of his supporters attempted mass murder and almost killed Steve Scalise?
Of course not.
You dishonestly twist everything out of shape in order to bludgeon your political opponents.

I didn't blame Trump for the shooting you asshole.
What I said was that he should have disassociated himself from the comments that the shooter made about him in his manifesto, like someone else who was mentioned did.
But you keep lying because that is what you do best.

You're playing your usual ugly guilt-by-association tactic.
So get stuffed.

Misty » 16 Mar 2019 3:40 pm » wrote:

Anyone who has read excerpts from the Koran know that it has very mixed messages, some of peace and acceptance.
Some
of wild calls to violence, acceptance of rape of non-believers, pedophilia, etc.

Mohammed himself married a 12-year-old child bride.
Sexual assault and rape of non-believers by muslims has skyrocketed in every country that has allowed in large numbers of Muslim immigrants, even Sweden. Britain had a huge scandal about Muslims raping under aged girls and holding them in sexual slavery.

I thought you were against rape and child rape?


Not when Breitbart decries it. Then you lie that it's "Islamophobia."
You dishonestly twist everything into a weapon with which to bludgeon your enemies, even rape and pedophilia.

Psychopath.

Breitbart does not have to call Islamic refugees 'rapefugees' in order to decry rape and pedophilia.

Misty » 16 Mar 2019 3:46 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 3:34 pm » wrote:You're playing your usual ugly guilt-by-association tactic.

So get stuffed.

The New Zealand shooter sees Trump “as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.”
That should bother you greatly, but apparently it does not.

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 3:47 pm » wrote:

Misty » 16 Mar 2019 3:40 pm » wrote:Breitbart does not have to call Islamic refugees 'rapefugees' in order to decry rape and pedophilia.

There's an extremely large problem among Muslims that draws them to rape and pedophilia on the specific permission of the Koran and Mohammed's own behavior, but your concern is about Breitbart's politically incorrect term?
You're kidding, right?

Misty » 16 Mar 2019 3:46 pm » wrote:I guess the fact that Trump retweeted to his million of Twitter followers, three videos by Jayda Fransen, one of the leaders of Britain First, a neo-fascist hate group does not bother you either.

He associated himself with her.

Why would he do that Precious?

Misty » 16 Mar 2019 3:51 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2019 3:47 pm » wrote:There's an extremely large problem among Muslims that draws them to rape and pedophilia on the specific permission of the Koran and Mohammed's own behavior, but your concern is about Breitbart's politically incorrect term?

You're kidding, right?

And of course you censored my post, fascio-leftist that you are.

No legitimate news outlet would use a term like 'rapefugees.'
Like most of the sources you read, Breitbart is a filthy rag.