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You make yourself look like an idiot by repeating Baghdad Barr's lies without checking the facts.
He's a **** liar and so are you.

I saw some of the testimony, and this particular question several times with analysis.

I quoted the facts repeatedly and cited Andrew McCarthy's analysis that accusing Barr of lying is "stupid."

You censored all that so your lies wouldn't be exposed, brownshirt.

Misty » 06 May 2019 12:36 pm » wrote:

I don't think breakdowns are as funny as you do.

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

Newly obtained tax information reveals that from 1985 to 1994, Donald J. Trump’s businesses were in far bleaker condition than was previously known.

By RUSS BUETTNER and SUSANNE CRAIG

May 7, 2019 - By the time his master-of-the-universe memoir “Trump: The Art of the Deal” hit bookstores in 1987, Donald J. Trump was already in deep financial distress, losing tens of millions of dollars on troubled business deals, according to previously unrevealed figures from his federal income tax returns.

Mr. Trump was propelled to the presidency, in part, by a self-spun narrative of business success and of setbacks triumphantly overcome.

He has attributed his first run of reversals and bankruptcies to the recession that took hold in 1990.

But 10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times paints a different, and far bleaker, picture of his deal-making abilities and financial condition.

The data — printouts from Mr. Trump’s official Internal Revenue Service tax transcripts, with the figures from his federal tax form, the 1040, for the years 1985 to 1994 — represents the fullest and most detailed look to date at the president’s taxes, information he has kept from public view.

Though the information does not cover the tax years at the center of an escalating battle between the Trump administration and Congress, it traces the most tumultuous chapter in a long business career — an era of fevered acquisition and spectacular collapse.

The numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businesses — largely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings.

They continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.

In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, The Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners.

His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.

Over all, Mr. Trump lost so much money that he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the 10 years.

It is not known whether the I.R.S. later required changes after audits.

Since the 2016 presidential campaign, journalists at The Times and elsewhere have been trying to piece together Mr. Trump’s complex and concealed finances.

While The Times did not obtain the president’s actual tax returns, it received the information contained in the returns from someone who had legal access to it.

The Times was then able to find matching results in the I.R.S. information on top earners — a publicly available database that each year comprises a one-third sampling of those taxpayers, with identifying details removed.

It also confirmed significant findings using other public documents, along with confidential Trump family tax and financial records from the newspaper’s 2018 investigation into the origin of the president’s wealth.

The White House’s response to the new findings has shifted over time.

Read the full story at link in title.

Misty » 07 May 2019 7:23 pm » wrote:Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

Newly obtained tax information reveals that from 1985 to 1994, Donald J. Trump’s businesses were in far bleaker condition than was previously known.

By RUSS BUETTNER and SUSANNE CRAIG

May 7, 2019 - By the time his master-of-the-universe memoir “Trump: The Art of the Deal” hit bookstores in 1987, Donald J. Trump was already in deep financial distress, losing tens of millions of dollars on troubled business deals, according to previously unrevealed figures from his federal income tax returns.

Mr. Trump was propelled to the presidency, in part, by a self-spun narrative of business success and of setbacks triumphantly overcome.

He has attributed his first run of reversals and bankruptcies to the recession that took hold in 1990.

But 10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times paints a different, and far bleaker, picture of his deal-making abilities and financial condition.

The data — printouts from Mr. Trump’s official Internal Revenue Service tax transcripts, with the figures from his federal tax form, the 1040, for the years 1985 to 1994 — represents the fullest and most detailed look to date at the president’s taxes, information he has kept from public view.

Though the information does not cover the tax years at the center of an escalating battle between the Trump administration and Congress, it traces the most tumultuous chapter in a long business career — an era of fevered acquisition and spectacular collapse.

The numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businesses — largely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings.

They continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.

In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, The Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners.

His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.

Over all, Mr. Trump lost so much money that he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the 10 years.

It is not known whether the I.R.S. later required changes after audits.

Since the 2016 presidential campaign, journalists at The Times and elsewhere have been trying to piece together Mr. Trump’s complex and concealed finances.

While The Times did not obtain the president’s actual tax returns, it received the information contained in the returns from someone who had legal access to it.

The Times was then able to find matching results in the I.R.S. information on top earners — a publicly available database that each year comprises a one-third sampling of those taxpayers, with identifying details removed.

It also confirmed significant findings using other public documents, along with confidential Trump family tax and financial records from the newspaper’s 2018 investigation into the origin of the president’s wealth.

The White House’s response to the new findings has shifted over time.

Read the full story at link in title.

What Trump lacks in business savvy, he makes up for in relentless self promotion.

That image in your sig is so wrong, but its fuggin Hilarious

Titties N Beer » 07 May 2019 5:48 pm » wrote:

Misty » 06 May 2019 12:36 pm » wrote:

I don't think breakdowns are as funny as you do.

I think Clem's breakdown is positively hysterical.
You should read his posts that I sent to the Peanut Gallery.
They're a riot.

Termin8tor » 07 May 2019 7:42 am » wrote:

Misty » 06 May 2019 6:14 pm » wrote:Hundreds of former prosecutors say Trump would have been indicted if he were not president.

It's over, psycho.
Barr and his team determined no crimes were committed.

And there are now 700 former prosecutors and growing who disagree with him, including the guy he replaced at the DOJ during his first tenure there.

Misty » 07 May 2019 7:38 pm » wrote: And there are now 700 former prosecutors and growing who disagree with him, including the guy he replaced at the DOJ during his first tenure there.

Former prosecutors, ehh?

wow, now I am as impressed with that as the 97% global warming cultists.

Y'all grasp at the tiniest straws.

crimsongulf » 07 May 2019 7:41 pm » wrote:

Misty » 07 May 2019 7:38 pm » wrote:And there are now 700 former prosecutors and growing who disagree with him, including the guy he replaced at the DOJ during his first tenure there.

Former prosecutors, ehh?
wow, now I am as impressed with that as the 97% global warming cultists.
Y'all grasp at the tiniest straws.

Yes they are former prosecutors which is why they can speak freely.
BTW, they are former prosecutors of both parties.

Cultists?
That's pretty funny coming from a Trump supporter.

Misty » 07 May 2019 8:45 pm » wrote: Yes they are former prosecutors which is why they can speak freely.
BTW, they are former prosecutors of both parties.

Cultists?
That's pretty funny coming from a Trump supporter.

Seeing as how many ex-prosecutors are in the country I am sure a source with an agenda different than the left could find 700 that say the opposite.

Like I said tiny straws.

Trump fixer Cohen says he helped Jerry Falwell Jr. handle racy photos.

Months before evangelical leader Jerry Falwell Jr.’s game-changing presidential endorsement of Donald Trump in 2016, Falwell asked Trump fixer Michael Cohen for a personal favor, Cohen said in a recorded conversation reviewed by Reuters.

Falwell, president of Liberty University, one of the world’s largest Christian universities, said someone had come into possession of what Cohen described as racy “personal” photographs — the sort that would typically be kept “between husband and wife,” Cohen said in the taped conversation.

According to a source familiar with Cohen’s thinking, the person who possessed the photos destroyed them after Cohen intervened on the Falwells’ behalf.
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Falwell, president of Liberty University, one of the world’s largest Christian universities, said someone had come into possession of what Cohen described as racy “personal” photographs — the sort that would typically be kept “between husband and wife,” Cohen said in the taped conversation.

According to a source familiar with Cohen’s thinking, the person who possessed the photos destroyed them after Cohen intervened on the Falwells’ behalf.

Cohen, who began a three-year prison sentence this week for federal campaign violations and lying to Congress, recounted his involvement in the matter in a recording made surreptitiously by comedian Tom Arnold on March 25.

The Falwells wanted to keep “a bunch of photographs, personal photographs” from becoming public, Cohen told Tom Arnold. “I actually have one of the photos,” he said, without going into specifics. “It’s terrible.”

Cohen would later prove successful in another matter involving Falwell, two people familiar with the matter told Reuters.

Cohen helped persuade Falwell to issue his endorsement of Trump’s presidential candidacy at a critical moment, they said: just before the Iowa caucuses.

Falwell subsequently barnstormed with Trump and vouched for the candidate’s Christian virtues.

So Cohen kept one of the photos and then managed to persuade Falwell to endorse Trump.
Can you say blackmail?

When Falwell endorsed Trump he said, “In my opinion, Donald Trump lives a life of loving and helping others as Jesus taught in the great commandment.”

Yeah, that's about right.
Whenever I think about Donald Trump, the first thing that comes to mind is how much like Jesus he is.[/sarcasm]

crimsongulf » 07 May 2019 8:46 pm » wrote:

Misty » 07 May 2019 8:45 pm » wrote:Yes they are former prosecutors which is why they can speak freely.
BTW, they are former prosecutors of both parties.
Cultists?
That's pretty funny coming from a Trump supporter.

Seeing as how many ex-prosecutors are in the country I am sure a source with an agenda different than the left could find 700 that say the opposite.
Like I said tiny straws.

No one had to 'find' them.
More and more of them are coming forward voluntarily every day.

The statement is signed by former U.S. attorneys and career Justice Department officials who worked in every administration (both Democratic and Republican) dating back to President Eisenhower.

I haven't seen any open letters signed by 700 former prosecutors saying that 45 did NOT commit obstruction.
Have you?

Misty » 07 May 2019 9:05 pm » wrote: No one had to 'find' them.
More and more of them are coming forward voluntarily every day.

The statement is signed by former U.S. attorneys and career Justice Department officials who worked in every administration dating back to President Eisenhower.

Look, babe, believe it if you wish, but here is a fact.

It doesn't matter.

crimsongulf » 07 May 2019 9:08 pm » wrote:

Misty » 07 May 2019 9:05 pm » wrote:No one had to 'find' them.
More and more of them are coming forward voluntarily every day.
The statement is signed by former U.S. attorneys and career Justice Department officials who worked in every administration dating back to President Eisenhower.

Look, babe, believe it if you wish, but here is a fact.
It doesn't matter.

I would ask you why you think it doesn't matter if the president committed a crime, but I already know the answer.

When he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he would not lose his supporters, he was right.
If that is not cult like behavior, I don't know what is.

If ever he ordered his supporters to drink a glass of Kool-Aid, y'all would do it, no questions asked.

Misty » 07 May 2019 9:14 pm » wrote: I would ask you why you think it doesn't matter if the president committed a crime, but I already know the answer.

When he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he would not lose his supporters, he was right.
If that is not cult like behavior, I don't know what is.

It’s a cult of personality. A person, in this case Trump, becomes like a religion, replacing previously held belief systems, superceding all -isms. Trump can literally do no wrong. He has become a father figure to them.

It is derived from the perceived, and mostly true, ballsiness of Trump. Unlike most politicians, he says whatever is on his mind. That kind of freedom inspires admiration. Many wish their whole lives that they could live with that kind of boldness, being authentic. But they can’t, they are cowed by their wife, their boss, their parents, etc. so in Trump they can live vicariously, imagining they were that way. And they love him for that.

That’s my armchair psychology take.

SJConspirator » 07 May 2019 9:20 pm » wrote:

Misty » 07 May 2019 9:14 pm » wrote: I would ask you why you think it doesn't matter if the president committed a crime, but I already know the answer.

When he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he would not lose his supporters, he was right.
If that is not cult like behavior, I don't know what is.

It’s a cult of personality. A person, in this case Trump, becomes like a religion, replacing previously held belief systems, superceding all -isms. Trump can literally do no wrong. He has become a father figure to them.

It is derived from the perceived, and mostly true, ballsiness of Trump. Unlike most politicians, he says whatever is on his mind. That kind of freedom inspires admiration. Many wish their whole lives that they could live with that kind of boldness, being authentic. But they can’t, they are cowed by their wife, their boss, their parents, etc. so in Trump they can live vicariously, imagining they were that way. And they love him for that.

That’s my armchair psychology take.

Another analogy:

Trump reads that Iran is an Evil Empire.

Trump: "Send the Fleet to the Persian Gulf!"

New York Times: "Trump Sends Fleet To The Persian Gulf, Taunting Iran!"

Trump: "Fake News!"

Misty » 07 May 2019 7:33 pm » wrote: I think Clem's breakdown is positively hysterical.
You should read his posts that I sent to the Peanut Gallery.
They're a riot.

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Brownshirt that you are, you can't tolerate that the truth be seen.

What kind of wackjob censors information on a political debate board?

A psychopathic liar.

I would ask you why you think it doesn't matter if the president committed a crime, but I already know the answer.

Yes. Barr and his team not only determined that Trump committed no crimes, but Barr testified that Mueller told him three times that he would not have indicted Trump even if he wasn't president.

It's over. Done, Fini.

No collusion, despite 2 1/2 years of dishonest Fake News.

No obstruction of justice.

Democrat Talking Point Liars will lie no matter what the facts are.

And leftist brownshirt that you are, you'll censor this post to hide the truth.

When he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he would not lose his supporters, he was right.
If that is not cult like behavior, I don't know what is.

If ever he ordered his supporters to drink a glass of Kool-Aid, y'all would do it, no questions asked.

Oh, so because Trump makes a joke, you conclude we would tolerate him committing crimes?

How freaking stupid.

And even after 2 1/2 years of Official Democrat Talking Point Lies and Fake News, you don't have a shred of evidence of one single one, wackjob.

Quick, censor this post so no one sees the truth, brownshirt.

Yes they are former prosecutors which is why they can speak freely.
BTW, they are former prosecutors of both parties.

So they're claiming that they know better than not only Barr and his team, but Mueller, too?

Speaking of cults.

Mueller told Barr that he would not have indicted Trump even if he wasn't president.

No collusion.

No obstruction of justice, no matter what those political hacks say.

The letter claims that were it not for Justice Department guidance stating that a sitting president cannot be indicted, Trump would have been charged with obstruction of justice based off the evidence laid out in special counsel Robert Mueller's report.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-sec ... bstruction

Cultists?
That's pretty funny coming from a Trump supporter.

Wow, so 95% of the Republican Party are cult members? Because that's the support he has.

What a stupid freaking lie.

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses

So much for liberals' lie that Trump isn't worth what he claims he is.

You can't have these kinds of losses unless you have not only huge worth, but huge profits other years.

Another liberal lie exposed.


Thanks for that!