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Like you, Brooklyn Dad is a liar and a hack.

Barr would be committing a huge number of felonies

if he complied.Releasing this information would be a violation of federal law.

Why didn't you point that out, psycho?

I already debunked that **** twice.
Nadler is not saying that he should release 6E material without a court ruling.

The House Judiciary Committee adopted a Republican amendment that says that Barr can only release grand jury material if a judge gives him the okay.

I guess that was another hearing that you didn't watch.

Stop spreading lies and propaganda.

Nadler.....said the Justice Department, contrary to its claims, has made “no reasonable accommodations” to answer a committee subpoena calling for the release of an unredacted version of special counsel Robert Mueller's report.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4426 ... -a-vote-to

House Democrats on the Judiciary Committee voted to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt of Congress for failing to provide the full version of
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian interference in the 2016 election

http://time.com/5585946/william-barr-contempt-congress-consequences/

I don't know how you can be so blind to the fact that the whole family are a bunch of grifters and con artists.

Termin8tor » 09 May 2019 7:50 am » wrote:John Yoo accurately offered his honest opinion of what the law means?

Shocking!

I guess you think he should have lied.

What law says that you can crush a child's testicles in order to force it's father to talk during an interrogation?
Cite the statute.

Barr would be committing
a huge number of felonies

if he complied.
Releasing this information would be
a violation of federal law.

Why didn't you point that out, psycho?

I already debunked that **** twice.
Nadler is not saying that he should release 6E material without a court ruling.

The House Judiciary Committee adopted a Republican amendment that says that Barr can only release grand jury material if a judge gives him the okay.

I guess that was another hearing that you didn't watch.

Stop spreading lies and propaganda.

Jerry Nadler has declared a constitutional crisis.

The proximate cause is a couple of redacted lines, including one footnote, in a 400-page report. ...

For the New York Democrat to turn around and have his committee vote to hold Bill Barr in contempt is truly bizarre. Barr’s alleged offense is the redactions. But he has made an almost entirely un-redacted report available to top Democrats to review. They have refused to do so, boycotting the further information that they say they so desperately need.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/ ... t-theater/

Rudy Giuliani Plans Ukraine Trip to Push for Inquiries That Could Help Trump

WASHINGTON — Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s personal lawyer, is encouraging Ukraine to wade further into sensitive political issues in the United States, seeking to push the incoming government in Kiev to press ahead with investigations that he hopes will benefit Mr. Trump.

Mr. Giuliani said he plans to travel to Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, in the coming days and wants to meet with the nation’s president-elect to urge him to pursue inquiries that allies of the White House contend could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump.

One is the origin of the special counsel’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch.

Mr. Giuliani’s plans create the remarkable scene of a lawyer for the president of the United States pressing a foreign government to pursue investigations that Mr. Trump’s allies hope could help him in his re-election campaign.

And it comes after Mr. Trump spent more than half of his term facing questions about whether his 2016 campaign conspired with a foreign power.

“We’re not meddling in an election, we’re meddling in an investigation, which we have a right to do,” Mr. Giuliani said in an interview on Thursday when asked about the parallel to the special counsel’s inquiry.

“There’s nothing illegal about it,” he said. “Somebody could say it’s improper.

And this isn’t foreign policy — I’m asking them to do an investigation that they’re doing already and that other people are telling them to stop.

And I’m going to give them reasons why they shouldn’t stop it because that information will be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government.”

Mr. Giuliani’s planned trip, which has not been previously reported, is part of a monthslong effort by the former New York mayor and a small group of Trump allies working to build interest in the Ukrainian inquiries.

Their motivation is to try to discredit the special counsel’s investigation; undermine the case against Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s imprisoned former campaign chairman; and potentially to damage Mr. Biden, the early front-runner for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

The investigations had been opened by Ukrainian prosecutors serving during the term of the country’s current president, Petro O. Poroshenko.

He lost his re-election bid last month to Volodymyr Zelensky, a comedian and political newcomer. Mr. Zelensky has said he would like to replace the prosecutor who oversaw some of the matters, Yuriy Lutsenko, who has met multiple times with Mr. Giuliani to discuss the issues.

Mr. Zelensky is set to take office on June 3.

Mr. Giuliani said he had been planning for several weeks to travel to Kiev to deliver a paid speech to a Jewish group about Middle East policy.

But intermediaries for Mr. Giuliani worked to organize meetings with people who they believed would have insights into the incoming Zelensky administration and the investigations in which Mr. Giuliani was interested.

And in recent days, Mr. Giuliani reached out through intermediaries to request a meeting with Mr. Zelensky, he said, adding, “It’s not confirmed yet.”

If the meeting does occur, Mr. Giuliani said, “I am going to tell him what I know about the people that are surrounding him, and how important it is to do a full, complete and fair investigation.”

He said his efforts in Ukraine have the full support of Mr. Trump.

He declined to say specifically whether he had briefed him on the planned meeting with Mr. Zelensky, but added, “He basically knows what I’m doing, sure, as his lawyer.”

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday.

Mr. Trump has called attention to the scrutiny of Mr. Biden’s son Hunter Biden, and to questions about the former vice president’s involvement in the removal of a Ukrainian prosecutor whose office had authority over investigations of the oligarch whose company paid Hunter Biden.

Mr. Trump has also sought to stir up interest in claims that Ukrainian officials tried to benefit Hillary Clinton in 2016 by focusing attention on Mr. Manafort’s business in Ukraine.

The attention forced Mr. Manafort to resign from the Trump campaign, but allies of the Ukrainian officials involved have denied that they acted improperly to benefit Mrs. Clinton’s campaign.

Mr. Trump has recently suggested he would like Attorney General William P. Barr to look into the material gathered by the Ukrainian prosecutors.

Mr. Giuliani has been working on the effort with other allies of Mr. Trump whose involvement has not been previously reported, including Victoria Toensing, a lawyer who was named last year, along with her husband, as part of the legal team representing the president in the special counsel’s investigation.

The appointment was rescinded less than one week later amid concerns about conflicts of interest, but Mr. Trump’s legal team suggested that Ms. Toensing and her husband, Joseph E. diGenova, would assist the president “in other legal matters.”

On social media and in regular appearances on Fox News, the couple advanced the theory that the special counsel’s investigation was the result of a Justice Department effort to frame Mr. Trump.

They increasingly began pushing the claim that “the real collusion began in @Ukraine,” as Ms. Toensing put it in a post on Twitter in March.

The tweet spotlighted a story in the conservative media in which Mr. Lutsenko, Ukraine’s top prosecutor, announced he was opening an investigation into whether Ukrainian officials tried to help Mrs. Clinton during the 2016 presidential election by disseminating documents related to Mr. Manafort’s work in Ukraine before 2014.

Ms. Toensing has also met with Mr. Lutsenko, the Ukrainian prosecutor who has pushed the investigations, Mr. Giuliani said. (Mr. Giuliani had previously said that Ms. Toensing was representing Mr. Lutsenko, but after this article published, he said that he had been mistaken.)

Ms. Toensing will accompany Mr. Giuliani to Ukraine, he said, explaining that she was “concerned” for Mr. Lutsenko and wanted the incoming president to “promptly understand what he’s trying to do.”

Asked about the trip and her interactions with of Mr. Lutsenko, which have not been previously disclosed, she responded, “I’m not going to talk to you about this matter.”

Also involved in planning the trip and pushing the investigations is Lev Parnas, a Ukrainian-American businessman who knows Mr. Giuliani well.

Mr. Parnas turned up in Kiev, presenting himself as a representative of Mr. Giuliani seeking information about Mr. Lutsenko’s claims, and about Hunter Biden’s involvement in the Ukrainian gas company, according to people familiar with Mr. Parnas’s activity.

He organized a phone call between Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Lutsenko, as well as a separate call between Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Lutsenko’s predecessor in the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office, according to Mr. Giuliani.

He said Mr. Parnas also helped arrange a trip to the United States for Mr. Lutsenko in January. During it, the prosecutor met for hours with Mr. Giuliani in New York.

Mr. Parnas is an executive of an energy company that donated $325,000 to a pro-Trump super PAC last year, prompting a Federal Election Commission complaint by a nonpartisan campaign finance watchdog accusing Mr. Parnas, his business partner and the company of violating campaign finance laws.

A lawyer for Mr. Parnas, who had previously defended the contribution, did not respond to a request for comment about his client’s work with Mr. Giuliani in Ukraine.

Mr. Giuliani has done work in Ukraine before, having been hired in 2017 by the Ukrainian-Russian developer Pavel Fuks.

Mr. Giuliani described that work as related to emergency management consulting, but Mr. Fuks said in an interview that he hired Mr. Giuliani as “a lobbyist for Kharkiv and Ukraine” to lure American investors.

“This is stated in the contract.”

Mr. Giuliani said that work had ended, and that Mr. Fuks had nothing to do with his current efforts.

“My only client is the president of the United States,” he said.

“He’s the one I have an obligation to report to, tell him what happened.”

Termin8tor » 10 May 2019 9:01 am » wrote:According to former prosecutor Rudy Guliani.....blah, blah, blah.

Termin8tor » 10 May 2019 3:04 pm » wrote:

Rudy Giuliani Plans Ukraine Trip to Push for Inquiries That Could Help Trump
These people have no shame.

You don't think that criminal activity should be punished? Because it seems quite likely that Biden's son was involved in it, and Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine if they didn't fire the prosecutor investigating it.

Termin8tor » 10 May 2019 3:16 pm » wrote:Brown shirt little Miss Marxist is censoring the truth, so that it won't be seen.

Misty: I know you are allergic to facts but here are two of them.

Speaking of being allergic to facts, why did you lie that Barr twice committed perjury?

Termin8tor » 10 May 2019 3:16 pm » wrote:Why did you lie that Nadler and Dems didn't hold him in contempt for refusing to illegally turn over the entire Mueller Report, in undisputed violation of federal law.

Termin8tor » 10 May 2019 3:27 pm » wrote:Biden might have done nothing wrong, but gosh, why are you so bitterly angry that Guliani is looking into it?

Termin8tor » 10 May 2019 3:43 pm » wrote:

Misty: Because by Giuliani's own admission, he is only doing this to hurt Biden and help his client's (Trump) chances in the 2020 election.

Weird, but I saw Guliani on Fox explain why he's investigating, and your claim is a complete and outright lie.

Termin8tor » 10 May 2019 3:41 pm » wrote:

Misty: These people have no shame.

Guliani wants to continue defending his client by investigating further into the biggest scandal in American history?
As well as looking into possible crimes and/or abuses of power by a politician running for the presidency and his son?

Misty » 10 May 2019 4:20 pm » wrote: The biggest scandal in American history is that a foreign country interfered in one of our presidential elections in order to hurt one candidate and help another..

crimsongulf » 10 May 2019 4:25 pm » wrote:

Misty » 10 May 2019 4:20 pm » wrote:The biggest scandal in American history is that a foreign country interfered in one of our presidential elections in order to hurt one candidate and help another..

Who was the HNIC when this happened?

Misty » 10 May 2019 4:35 pm » wrote:

You can't pin any of that on Obama.

crimsongulf » 10 May 2019 4:25 pm » wrote:On collusion Mueller totally exonerated Trump.

Misty » 10 May 2019 4:39 pm » wrote: Mueller never dealt with the issue of 'collusion' because that is not a crime.

He only dealt with conspiracy.
And as far as that goes he essentially said that Trump Jr. was too stupid to have known he was committing a crime.
That's quite an exoneration.

crimsongulf » 10 May 2019 4:38 pm » wrote:

Misty » 10 May 2019 4:35 pm » wrote:You can't pin any of that on Obama.

****. He knew about it and didn't do **** about it.
Remember he had a phone and a pen.
**** that lie.

Trump: “My people came to me, [Director of National Intelligence] Dan Coats came to me and some others saying they think it's Russia.

I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia.

I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.”

I have great confidence in my intelligence people but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

crimsongulf » 10 May 2019 4:44 pm » wrote:

Misty » 10 May 2019 4:39 pm » wrote:Mueller never dealt with the issue of 'collusion' because that is not a crime.
He only dealt with conspiracy.
And as far as that goes he essentially said that Trump Jr. was too stupid to have known he was committing a crime.
That's quite an exoneration.

Damn Marlo, that was what the entire damned fake *** witch hunt was about. Come on girl, get in the game.
Some key takeaways from Mueller’s findings:
NO COLLUSION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA
Mueller made that clear.

WASHINGTON—Within a day of the release of the Mueller report last month, President Trump sought to have former White House counsel Don McGahn declare he didn’t consider the president’s 2017 directive that he seek Robert Mueller’s dismissal to be obstruction of justice, but Mr. McGahn rebuffed the request, according to people familiar with the matter.

Mr. Trump has publicly denied asking Mr. McGahn to fire the Russia probe special counsel since the release of the report. Mr. Mueller’s report detailed that directive, and a subsequent request by Mr. Trump that Mr. McGahn deny that conversation ever happened, and said that Mr. McGahn rebuffed both.

Last month, Mr. Trump tweeted: “If I wanted to fire Mueller, I didn’t need McGahn to do it, I could have done it myself.”

Privately, Mr. Trump asked White House special counsel Emmet Flood to inquire whether Mr. McGahn would release a statement asserting that he didn’t believe those interactions with the president—and Mr. Trump’s subsequent efforts to have Mr. McGahn deny news reports about that request—amounted to obstruction, the people familiar with the matter said. Mr. Flood didn’t respond to a request for comment.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/don-mcgahn ... 1557525630

WASHINGTON — White House officials asked at least twice in the past month for the key witness against President Trump in the Mueller report, Donald F. McGahn II, to say publicly that he never believed the president obstructed justice, according to two people briefed on the requests.

Mr. Trump asked White House officials to make the request to Mr. McGahn, who was the president’s first White House counsel, one of the people said.

Mr. McGahn declined. His reluctance angered the president, who believed that Mr. McGahn showed disloyalty by telling investigators for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, about Mr. Trump’s attempts to maintain control over the Russia investigation.

The White House made one of the requests to Mr. McGahn’s lawyer, William A. Burck, before the Mueller report was released publicly but after the Justice Department gave a copy to Mr. Trump’s lawyers in the preceding days.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/10/us/p ... ction.html

Misty » 10 May 2019 6:13 pm » wrote: Once again, Mueller did NOT deal with the issue of 'collusion' because 'collusion' is not a crime.
He dealt with the issue of 'conspiracy' which is a crime.

I have read a lot of the report.
Have you?

Introduction to Volume One of the Mueller report......page 2.