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Termin8tor » 19 Sep 2019 12:41 pm » wrote:I answered your question with a reliable source, psycho. You of course censored it.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/acting-dni ... complaint/

Anyone who uses pajamas media as a source obviously does not even know what a reliable source is.

New Docs: Intel IG Complained That DOJ, DNI Blocked Help To Trump Whistleblower

The Intelligence Community Inspector General told Congress he was being blocked from giving a whistleblower a way to securely tell the House about allegations that reportedly deal with a promise the President made to a foreign leader, according to a newly released batch of letters.

The House Intelligence Committee released two letters on Thursday written by ICIG Michael Atkinson.

The first letter — sent on Sept. 9 — discloses the existence of a whistleblower complaint while the second — sent on Sept. 17 — tells lawmakers that Atkinson has “not been authorized” to help the whistleblower disclose information, or to provide “basic information” about the complaint to Congress.

Saying the substance of the complaint “relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNI’s responsibilities to the American people,” Atkinson described in the Sept. 17 letter “disagreement” between himself, the Justice Department, and acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire.

“I have requested authorization from the Acting DNI to disclose, at the very least, the general subject matter of the Complainant’s allegations to the congressional intelligence committees,” the letter reads.

“To date, however, I have not been authorized to disclose even that basic information to you, in addition to the important information provided by the Complainant that is also being kept from the congressional intelligence committees.”

By law, Maguire is required to transmit complaints that meet a standard of “urgent concern” to Congress after review by the ICIG.

In this case, reporting indicates, the matter of “urgent concern” refers to an alleged “promise” that President Trump made to an unnamed foreign leader.

The acting DNI is also required to provide guidance to the whistleblower on how to securely transmit information directly to Congress upon request, in a process that goes through the ICIG.

In this case, Atkinson wrote, Maguire has refused to provide information on how the whistleblower can securely pass sensitive information to Congress.

Atkinson also expressed worry for the whistleblower’s protection from “reprisal or the threat of reprisal.”

The ICIG said that while Maguire had provided a “personal assurance” that the tipster’s identity would be protected, that wasn’t enough.

Rather, Atkinson wrote, the tipster needs “the legally enforceable statutory protection previously available to whistleblowers in the Complainant’s situation.”

Atkinson added that the DNI’s decision “may reflect a gap in the law that constitutes a significant problem and deficiency concerning the DNI’s responsibility and authority — or perceived responsibility and authority — relating to intelligence programs or activities.”

He said that Maguire’s position was “affecting the execution of two of my most important duties and responsibilities.”

The letter came on Tuesday, the same day that Maguire refused a subpoena issued by House Intelligence Committee Chair Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) for the whistleblower’s complaint.

Maguire had argued that the complaint was not a matter of “urgent concern” because it dealt with someone outside the intelligence community and focused on an activity outside the DNI’s supervision.

It’s unclear if the activities described in reporting since then — Trump promising a foreign leader something alarming enough to trigger this complaint — comport with Maguire’s argument.

In the Sept. 9 letter initially informing Congress of the matter, Atkinson noted that the DNI’s handling of the issue “does not appear to be consistent with past practice.”

Atkinson also wrote that he disagreed with the Justice Department’s “analysis of the facts” in the situation, referencing a Sept. 17 letter he sent to the DOJ outlining his position.

Read the letters at link in title.

Termin8tor » 19 Sep 2019 8:15 pm » wrote:

Misty » 19 Sep 2019 11:19 am » wrote:Why can't you ever answer a question without punting to Obama?

Why don't you EVER answer questions, psycho?

You, who answers every question by referring people to one of your 'many important threads,' seriously have the audacity to talk about anyone else not answering questions?

Termin8tor » 19 Sep 2019 8:15 pm » wrote:Why do you censor the truth?

You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you upside your pointy little head.
Whoever is paying you to spew your propaganda is entitled to a refund.
You are very, very bad at it.

Trump has done plenty to warrant impeachment. But the Ukraine allegations are over the top.

By George T. Conway III and Neal Katyal

George T. Conway III is a lawyer in New York. Neal Katyal, a law professor at Georgetown University, previously served as the acting solicitor general of the United States.

Among the most delicate choices the framers made in drafting the Constitution was how to deal with a president who puts himself above the law. To address that problem, they chose the mechanism of impeachment and removal from office.

And they provided that this remedy could be used when a president commits “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

That last phrase — “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” — was a historical term of art, derived from impeachments in the British Parliament.

When the framers put it into the Constitution, they didn’t discuss it much, because no doubt they knew what it meant.

It meant, as Alexander Hamilton later phrased it, “the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Simply put, the framers viewed the president as a fiduciary, the government of the United States as a sacred trust and the people of the United States as the beneficiaries of that trust.

Through the Constitution, the framers imposed upon the president the duty and obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” and made him swear an oath that he would fulfill that duty of faithful execution.

They believed that a president would break his oath if he engaged in self-dealing — if he used his powers to put his own interests above the nation’s.

That would be the paradigmatic case for impeachment.

That’s exactly what appears to be at issue today.

A whistleblower in U.S. intelligence lodged a complaint with the intelligence community’s inspector general so alarming that he labeled it of “urgent concern” and alerted the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

Though the details remain secret, apparently this much can be gleaned: The complaint is against the president.

It concerns a “promise” that the president made, in at least one phone call, with a foreign leader.

And it involves Ukraine and possible interference with the next presidential election.

The complaint is being brazenly suppressed by the Justice Department — in defiance of a whistleblower law that says, without exception, the complaint “shall” be turned over to Congress.

We also know this: As he admitted Thursday night on CNN, the president’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, has been trying to persuade the Ukrainian government to investigate, among other things, one of Trump’s potential Democratic opponents, former vice president Joe Biden, and Biden’s son Hunter about the latter’s involvement with a Ukrainian gas company.

Trump held up the delivery of $250 million in military assistance to Ukraine, which is under constant threat from neighboring Russia.

He had a phone conversation on July 25 with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine.

According to the Ukrainian government, the call included a discussion of Ukraine’s need to “complete investigation of corruption cases, which inhibited the interaction between Ukraine and the USA.”

So it appears that the president might have used his official powers — in particular, perhaps the threat of withholding a quarter-billion dollars in military aid — to leverage a foreign government into helping him defeat a potential political opponent in the United States.

If Trump did that, it would be the ultimate impeachable act.

Trump has already done more than enough to warrant impeachment and removal with his relentless attempts, on multiple fronts, to sabotage the counterintelligence and criminal investigation by then-special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and to conceal evidence of those attempts.

The president’s efforts were impeachable because, in committing those obstructive acts, he put his personal interests above the nation’s: He tried to stop an investigation into whether a hostile foreign power, Russia, tried to interfere with our democracy — simply because he seemed to find it personally embarrassing.

Trump breached his duty of faithful execution to the nation not only because he likely broke the law but also because, through his disregard for the law, he put his self-interest first.

The current whistleblowing allegations, however, are even worse.

Unlike the allegations of conspiracy with Russia before the 2016 election, these concern Trump’s actions as president, not as a private citizen, and his exercise of presidential powers over foreign policy with Ukraine.

Moreover, with Russia, at least there was an attempt to get the facts through the Mueller investigation; here the White House is trying to shut down the entire inquiry from the start — depriving not just the American people, but even congressional intelligence committees, of necessary information.

It is high time for Congress to do its duty, in the manner the framers intended.

Given how Trump seems ever bent on putting himself above the law, something like what might have happened between him and Ukraine — abusing presidential authority for personal benefit — was almost inevitable.

Yet if that is what occurred, part of the responsibility lies with Congress, which has failed to act on the blatant obstruction that Mueller detailed months ago.

Congressional procrastination has probably emboldened Trump, and it risks emboldening future presidents who might turn out to be of his sorry ilk.

To borrow John Dean’s haunting Watergate-era metaphor once again, there is a cancer on the presidency, and cancers, if not removed, only grow.

Congress bears the duty to use the tools provided by the Constitution to remove that cancer now, before it’s too late.

As Elbridge Gerry put it at the 1787 Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, “A good magistrate will not fear [impeachments].

A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them.” By now, Congress should know which one Trump is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ssion=true

Yet you support this completely lawless administration.
Why is the AG blocking the Intelligence committee from getting whistleblower info that the IG said was credible and urgent, and the DNI is required by law to turn over to them?

Once again Baghdad Barr is showing that he thinks that his job is to protect the president.
That is NOT his job.

Lying, babbling, smearing and censoring the truth.

More proof that the left is utterly **** deranged.

Misty » 19 Sep 2019 11:19 am » wrote:Why can't you ever answer a question without punting to Obama?

Because it was the Obama administration that committed this huge abuse of power; biggest in US history.

The acting DNI did not follow the law.
Instead he consulted with the DOJ who is now blocking the complaint from going to the intel committees.

The law is called the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA).
Look it up Precious.

Just about completely backwards, as usual. The acting DNI felt that the whistleblower's claim of urgency was quite dubious, so he sought legal advice from the Justice Dept.

The Justice Dept. confirmed his suspicion.

And according to former acting Attorney General of the Justice Dept Matt Whittaker, this supposed whistleblower is abusing the whistle blower statute.

Whittaker said that the Deep State, his term, was yet again abusing power in an attempt to undermine Trump.

Gosh, who knows more, Whittaker or a lying, raving psychopath like you?

Termin8tor » 20 Sep 2019 8:35 pm » wrote:Lying, babbling, smearing and censoring the truth.
More proof that the left is utterly **** deranged.

Speaking of lying.
How's that 'no collusion' thing going for you Precious?

Termin8tor » 20 Sep 2019 8:45 pm » wrote:And according to former acting Attorney General of the Justice Dept Matt Whittaker, this supposed whistleblower is abusing the whistle blower statute.
Whittaker said that the Deep State, his term, was yet again abusing power in an attempt to undermine Trump.
Gosh, who knows more, Whittaker or a lying, raving psychopath like you?

Matt Whittaker?
You mean the 'masculine toilet scam' guy?
That Matt Whittaker?

OMFG, you get more ridiculous every day.

Termin8tor » 20 Sep 2019 9:06 pm » wrote:

Misty » 20 Sep 2019 8:56 pm » wrote:Matt Whittaker?
You mean the 'masculine toilet scam' guy?
That Matt Whittaker?

You're as shameless as BV, who claims that every conservative in the country is a drug addict and a liar.
You stupidly lie that every source I cite is "wingnut right hoax / conspiracy sources," and you smear every person I cite.

And you claim that every Liberal is a liar and a psycho.
Matt Whittaker is a grifter and a scam artist.

Termin8tor » 20 Sep 2019 9:06 pm » wrote:I know what a sincere desire you have to know the truth, so here you go, psycho.
The new pseudo scandal about Trump and the Ukraine and this fake whistler blower is yet another abuse of power by the Deep State

Of course it is you brainwashed moron.
You're the one always demanding 'evidence' when it comes to accusations against your dear leader, yet based on no evidence at all you accuse the whistleblower of being 'fake' and of being a member of the 'deep state.'

Termin8tor » 20 Sep 2019 9:06 pm » wrote:And an attempt to undermine Trump and prevent him, Guliani and others from investigating and prosecuting the real criminals.

Giuliani is NOT a member of the government.
He is 45's private attorney, so what right does he have to investigate or prosecute anyone?

Congratulations.
Drunk Grandpa went on CNN and laid out the narrative, then the orange skidmark went on TV and when asked about the whistleblower, he said that someone needs to look into Joe Biden/Ukraine.

This is classic deflection.......don't look at me.......look at him.
And being the dutiful little toady and sycophantic lickspittle that you are, you have picked it up and are running with it.

I don't want your tin pot wacky conspiracy theories in my thread.
Post that **** in your own threads.

Termin8tor » 20 Sep 2019 8:45 pm » wrote:And according to former acting Attorney General of the Justice Dept Matt Whittaker this supposed whistleblower is abusing the whistle blower statute.
Whittaker said that the Deep State, his term, was yet again abusing power in an attempt to undermine Trump.

A narrative straight from FOX News TRUMP TV.





Matt Whitaker........LMAO.
They're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

What a good little lemming you are Precious.

Right wingers without any sense of shame are now smearing a child.

Termin8tor » 22 Sep 2019 12:58 pm » wrote:Say, did you hear the astounding news that almost the entire Republican base have joined a cult?

An overwhelming 91 percent of Republicans now approve of Trump's performance

So that's 91% of 27% of the country.
Think he can win with that?



https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/part ... ation.aspx

https://www.mediamatters.org/laura-ingr ... phen-kings

And her own brother called her out on it.

Termin8tor » 24 Sep 2019 7:32 am » wrote:I've seen three figures of integrity all explain in detail how the "whistle blower" is abusing the law; and that Trump's conversations are protected by Executive Privilege and not subject to that law.
Meaning the guy isn't a whistle blower and is being grossly dishonest.

That is a bunch of ****.
No one knows anything about the whistleblower.
Figures of integrity my ***.
You mean people who are saying what you want to hear.

Termin8tor » 24 Sep 2019 7:32 am » wrote:Go **** yourself, you babbling psychopath.

Why are you screaming Precious?
Looks like someone is losing his ****.
This one really scares you, huh?

Termin8tor » 24 Sep 2019 7:14 am » wrote:

Misty » 23 Sep 2019 7:10 pm » wrote:

The Gaping Asshole: Say, did you hear the astounding news that almost the entire Republican base have joined a cult? An overwhelming 91 percent of Republicans now approve of Trump's performance

So that's 91% of 27% of the country.
Think he can win with that?

Why are you avoiding my point? To claim that Trump supporters are a "cult" is stunningly dishonest when 91% of Repubs support him.
But of course he can defeat an old clueless Beltway hack like Biden or a shrill Harvard leftist like Warren.
He'll win easily.
What's your prediction? You don't have the courage to make one.

You mean I don't have the stupidity to make a prediction this far ahead of an election.
You apparently do.

Termin8tor » 24 Sep 2019 12:24 pm » wrote:

Misty » 24 Sep 2019 12:16 pm » wrote:

https://www.mediamatters.org/laura-ingr ... phen-kings

And her own brother called her out on it.

Gosh, her brother is upset because she made a joke?
You're kidding, right?

OIC, it's just a joke.

Was it also a joke when the guy from the Daily Wire called her 'a mentally ill Swedish child' or when Dinesh D-Souza said that Nordic white girls with braids were used in Nazi propaganda?
Or when the POTUS made a sarcastic comment about her on Twitter?

Your Trump Party thinks it's perfectly okay to attack children like Greta Thunberg or the kids from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
You must be so proud of yourselves.