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Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 7:05 am » wrote:

Misty » 11 Oct 2019 6:45 pm » wrote:Hunter Biden is a private citizen and they are viciously attacking him.

How did a coke-head with zero experience in the energy field earn $3 1/2 million dollars?
Gosh, see anything suspicious there?

First of all that three and a half million dollar figure is bogus, but I expect no less from you.

I guess you think that Trump's spawn are all self made millionaires, huh?
If it wasn't for their Daddy teaching them to be professional frauds and con artists they'd be flipping burgers.

You sure do have a lot of chutzpah talking about anyone's kids considering that you support 45 and his whole family of grifters.

Cannonpointer » 12 Oct 2019 9:23 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 7:08 am » wrote:Yeah, every single conservative source in the entire country is wingnut, right wackjob?
Without your pre-written Talking Point Lies, you suck as a liar.
And of course not response to this; just censorship.

Stop mass-bumping your threads, jackass. I just took time out of my busy trolling to bump 10 non-clem threads in order to remove your obnoxious block-bumped traffic jam from the top of the page.
I can think of easier ways to address your **** boardsmanship.

Now you know how I feel.
I spend a good chunk of my time here every day cleaning up his mess in this thread.
When I'm not here he just keeps replying to my old posts with the same copied and pasted **** in large screaming red font over and over and over.
I'm sick of it.

deadeyeshot » 12 Oct 2019 9:42 am » wrote:cannon is the head clown

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 12:48 pm » wrote:I know that you sincerely want to know if Trump has any achievements as president, so I'm posting this here.

GOD you are STUPID. I mean you are so brainwashed it is an embarrassment to our entire species and of course you are a LIAR. You get sheer JOY from telling the same LIES over and over

Any ADULT using the term deep state unless he is trying to get a laugh is a BRAINWASHED MORON being USED by people ten times smarter than YOU are to HURT AMERICA. There is no such thing. What there IS. What really EXISTS is a lot of government PROFESSIONALS with integrity and a sense of professionalism which gives our country a bit of continuity even as we turn it over every few years. To make some conspiracy theory out of a thing this country could not FUNCTION without shows beyond doubt how STUPID you are. How EASY it is to USE you to hurt America.

GOD you are STUPID

Misty » 12 Oct 2019 11:42 am » wrote: Now you know how I feel.
I spend a good chunk of my time here every day cleaning up his mess in this thread.
When I'm not here he just keeps replying to my old posts with the same copied and pasted **** in large screaming red font over and over and over.
I'm sick of it.

Yeah, he did that to me on the old board, early in my career there.

I spend 3 12 hour days **** massively in every thread he had active. I mean just taking enormous **** in it, over and over. After that, I didn't hear a peep out of the cocksucker for months. He avoided catching my eye.

I also had teacher and his shills to contend with. I took the shills out one at a time, and when I had sufficiently shamed them for being shills - members of a pack of teacher's lap dogs, one by one, I then turned my attention to gutting teacher. I had silenced his pack. It was mano a mano.

And he fell. And his erstwhile pack of dogs, now silenced, watched it happen.

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 3:52 pm » wrote:
If didn't keep telling the same lies and deleting the truth, I wouldn't keep re-posting it.

YOU are a LIAR and you KNOW it. I PROVE it and you just keep telling the SAME LIES over and over without even TRYING to address the FACTS that show you are a LIAR.


What little Miss Marxist needs is to go to the Safe Place of the Liberals Only section where she write her Fake Reality safe from mean reality-oriented conservatives.

You are a PROVEN LIAR. You are FAR TOO STUPID to know what REALITY is or what a MARXIST is you are just a LIAR who gets sheer joy from telling LIES and who is too much of a GUTLESS COWARD to EVER even TRY to ADDRESS FACTS. You KNOW you are too STUPID to even understand them much less address them. You are pathetic and worthless

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 3:52 pm » wrote: If didn't keep telling the same lies and deleting the truth, I wouldn't keep re-posting it.

If she'd answer hugely important questions, I wouldn't keep asking them.

Most of your "hugely important questions" are rhetorical. Answering rhetorical questions is clown work.

Another chunk - a big one - are falsely premised, along the lines of "Have you stopped beating your wife."

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 3:52 pm » wrote: What little Miss Marxist needs is to go to the Safe Place of the Liberals Only section where she write her Fake Reality safe from mean reality-oriented conservatives.

A certainly agree that she lives in a special world, where toddlers can authentically decide they are opposite gender "on the inside."

But you are just as full of ****. You believe that multinational corporations should have the same rights as human beings - among other preposterous and effeminate things. You both belong in the cartoon you share.

For 3,000 years.

In the NHB Zone.

Cannonpointer » 12 Oct 2019 3:45 pm » wrote:

Misty » 12 Oct 2019 11:42 am » wrote:Now you know how I feel.
I spend a good chunk of my time here every day cleaning up his mess in this thread.
When I'm not here he just keeps replying to my old posts with the same copied and pasted **** in large screaming red font over and over and over.
I'm sick of it.

Yeah, he did that to me on the old board, early in my career there.
I spend 3 12 hour days **** massively in every thread he had active. I mean just taking enormous **** in it, over and over. After that, I didn't hear a peep out of the cocksucker for months. He avoided catching my eye.
I also had teacher and his shills to contend with. I took the shills out one at a time, and when I had sufficiently shamed them for being shills - members of a pack of teacher's lap dogs, one by one, I then turned my attention to gutting teacher. I had silenced his pack. It was mano a mano.
And he fell. And his erstwhile pack of dogs, now silenced, watched it happen.

He just proved my point.
I haven't been here for a few hours and he made 6 posts in a row in here that I now have to move to the PG.

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 12:28 pm » wrote:

Misty » 11 Oct 2019 6:45 pm » wrote:You accuse people of crimes all the time based only on the speculative **** that you read on your wingnut websites.
That is NOT evidence.

Wow, look at all the lies in just two sentences.
I cite the WSJ oped page, National Review, American Spectator, Powerline, the Daily Signal, American Thinker, American Greatness, The Hill and more, all highly credible.

Except you rarely use any of those sources.
You use gatewaypundit more than any other source.
They are famous for promoting conspiracy theories and hoaxes.

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 12:28 pm » wrote:And even Gateway is more reliable than the sources you use that carried 2 1/2 years of Fake News all of which has been debunked.

The MSM does not carry FAKE News.
They were reporting on a major ongoing investigation.

You don't seem to have an issue with the fact that Sean Hannity makes claims about things that are still under investigation, do you?

Termin8tor » 11 Oct 2019 6:48 pm » wrote:Every claim that Hannity has made is either true, on the verge of being proven or still under investigation.

Misty » 12 Oct 2019 4:04 pm » wrote: He just proved my point.
I haven't been here for a few hours and he made 6 posts in a row in here that I now have to move to the PG.

**** up ever thread he has. Just spam the **** out of it with copy pastes a page long, one after the other.

He'll sue for peace and use his indoor posting if you learn him on his own medicine.

Cannonpointer » 12 Oct 2019 4:25 pm » wrote:

Misty » 12 Oct 2019 4:04 pm » wrote:He just proved my point.
I haven't been here for a few hours and he made 6 posts in a row in here that I now have to move to the PG.

**** up ever thread he has. Just spam the **** out of it with copy pastes a page long, one after the other.

He'll sue for peace and use his indoor posting if you learn him on his own medicine.

She's tried. I don't care if she spreads obvious lies in my threads.

The sources I cite expose them for what they are; utter ****.

She gave up doing that long ago.

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 4:39 pm » wrote:
She's tried. I don't care if she spreads obvious lies in my threads.

The sources I cite expose them for what they are; utter ****.

She gave up doing that long ago.

Who knows but that she might have some hours to while away, clearing her desk as I once did, to focus her attentions on you...

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 4:34 pm » wrote:

Misty » 12 Oct 2019 4:22 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 4:34 pm » wrote:I cite the WSJ oped page, National Review, American Spectator, Powerline, the Daily Signal, American Thinker, American Greatness, The Hill and more, all highly credible.

Except you rarely use any of those sources.
You use gatewaypundit more than any other source.
They are famous for promoting conspiracy theories and hoaxes.

You don't even bother to read what I cite, psycho, so you're lying.

I can read the links at the bottom of your posts you psycho.

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 4:34 pm » wrote:

Misty » 12 Oct 2019 4:22 pm » wrote:You don't seem to have an issue with the fact that Sean Hannity makes claims about things that are still under investigation, do you?

Hannity has been correct about everything he has said. He asks questions and speculates, and I'll bet his speculation turns out to be correct.
But unlike the speculation in the corrupt liberal MSM about Trump and associates, he hasn't slandered anyone.

You mean there isn't a Lib or a Dem that he hasn't slandered.
You're a **** brainwashed moron.

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 4:36 pm » wrote:

Misty » 12 Oct 2019 4:22 pm » wrote:The MSM does not carry FAKE News.

I can't even watch MS-LSD or CNN because I get literally nauseous at the endless propaganda, lies, **** and slander.
While hiding the truth.

You don't watch them but you know they are spreading propaganda, lies and ****.
So who told you that?


You know who hides the truth?
FOX News TRUMP TV.

They ignore a lot of important news stories that they don't want their audience to know about.

Curious that 45 was bitching about a FOX poll on impeachment that he didn't like and the next day the AG flew to New York to meet with Rupert Murdoch.

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 4:38 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 12 Oct 2019 4:39 pm » wrote:

Cannonpointer » 12 Oct 2019 4:25 pm » wrote:

Misty » 12 Oct 2019 4:04 pm » wrote:He just proved my point.
I haven't been here for a few hours and he made 6 posts in a row in here that I now have to move to the PG.

**** up ever thread he has. Just spam the **** out of it with copy pastes a page long, one after the other.
He'll sue for peace and use his indoor posting if you learn him on his own medicine.

She's tried. I don't care if she spreads obvious lies in my threads.
The sources I cite expose them for what they are; utter ****.
She gave up doing that long ago.

There was never anything for me to give up.
You have been whining since 2009 that I rarely post in your threads.

I've posted and reposted and reposted evidence of the threat Iraq was, of Bush's historic achievements on national security matters.

Strangely, Missy Poo doesn't comment in my threads.

I have always avoided your threads like the plague.

Termin8tor » 14 Oct 2019 8:14 am » wrote:Why is the IG report bigger than a phone book?

Because of crimes that weren't committed?

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/06/timel ... stigation/In July 2016, the FBI began investigating the Russian government’s attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election, including whether President Donald Trump’s campaign associates were involved in those efforts.The START of the whole thing was a bunch of intelligence agencies like Estonia and Germany and Britian was telling OUR intelligence agencies that whenever they were spying on KNOWN and suspected Russian intelligence assets they kept hearing Trump campaign people

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nks-russiaGCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

Trump was getting advance notice from wikileaks about their dumps wikileaks was called by Trumps own pick for head of the CIA a hostile intelligence agency but Trump touted them at LEAST 100 times

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/19/18507743/ ... -wikileaksTrumps campaign manager repeatedly gave a man he KNEW was connected to Russian Military Intelligence INTERNAL polling data and Manafort discussed their strategy for the midwest with him

https://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort- ... gn-1400826The report noted that Manafort instructed his longtime colleague Rick Gates to provide Kilimnik with internal Trump campaign polling data and briefings on the campaign's strategies. For years, Manafort and Kilimnik worked together closely on political campaigns in Ukraine. Manafort even nicknamed Kilimnik his "Russian brain." The FBI has determined that Kilimnik, who was once a Russian military translator, has links to Russian intelligence services.

Sessions, Page, Manafort, Papadopolous, Jared, Don jr, Gates, Mcfarland ALL had contacts with Russians then LIED about them. Either you can cough up an innocent explanation for all that LYING or that alone justifies the investigation

The Trump campaign had more than 140 contacts with Russians the normal presidential campaign has ZERO

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... e=REGIWALLJan 26, 2019 - Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries,

You are a LIAR and you KNOW it

ADDRESS the FACTS or STFU

How Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric Trump Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency

No one knows a “clear conflict of interest” when they see it better than the president's.

The real estate sales

Days before his inauguration in 2016, Donald Trump announced that he had given “complete and total” control of the Trump Organization to Don Jr. and Eric.

In doing so, he dismissed critics who called on him to place his assets in a blind trust, arguing that transferring control to immediate family was sufficient to address any conflict-of-interest concerns.

“No new deals will be done during my term(s) in office,” he promised.

Since then, Forbes says, the brothers have sold off more than $100 million worth of Trump Organization real estate.

That figure includes a $33 million sale of the company’s stake in a federally subsidized housing complex—a transaction Secretary of House & Urban Development Ben Carson had to approve—and a $3.2 million sale of land in the Dominican Republic last year, which Forbes called “the clearest violation of their father’s pledge to do no new foreign deals while in office.”

Taxpayers cover the security costs of each business trip the pair makes—in the first two months of 2017 alone that included $97,830 for a trip to Uruguay, $53,155.25 for a trip to Vancouver, and $16,738.36 for a trip to Dubai, according to NBC News.

In February 2017, the Trump Organization unloaded a $15.8 million Trump Park Avenue penthouse—a home formerly occupied by Jared and Ivanka—to Angela Chen, who runs a consulting firm with ties to Chinese government officials and (allegedly) Chinese military intelligence, says Mother Jones.

A Forbes analysis found that this price was 13 percent more than that paid for a comparable unit a year earlier, and that it sold at a time when the building’s other units, on average, were selling for 25 percent less.

The disappearing anti-nepotism laws

When news of Jared and Ivanka’s White House employment broke, observers noted the hirings appeared to be clear violations of federal anti-nepotism laws.

Kushner, the heir to a mid-Atlantic real estate empire, had no experience that would qualify him for the many tasks to which his father-in-law would assign him: solving the opioid crisis, handling Middle East peace negotiations, modernizing the federal government, and reforming America’s criminal justice system.

On Inauguration Day, however, the Department of Justice released an opinion concluding that the statute does not apply to White House staff, allowing Kushner’s employment to go forward.

When intelligence officials held up his application for a top-secret security clearance—a delay due in part, the New York Times reported, to concerns about Kushner’s foreign business interests—his place in the administration, theoretically, was in jeopardy.

His father-in-law stepped in, though, overruling the officials and ordering then-chief of staff John Kelly to issue Kushner a clearance anyway.

Ivanka's résumé was similarly thin for someone taking on a senior West Wing position—a fashion designer, Trump Organization executive, and sometimes-judge on The Apprentice.

She also experienced delays in her attempts to obtain a security clearance, and she was also the beneficiary of some timely presidential intervention: According to CNN, Trump pressured both Kelly and then White House counsel Don McGahn to make decisions on Ivanka's clearance "so it did not appear as if he was tainting the process to favor his family."

When Kelly and McGahn refused, Trump went ahead and approved his daughter's clearance himself.

Weeks before the CNN story broke, Ivanka told ABC News that she and her husband had "absolutely not" received special treatment from her father during the approval process.

"The president had no involvement pertaining to my clearance or my husband's clearance. Zero," she said.

The intellectual property in China

Both Jared and Ivanka, who took a “formal leave of absence” from her eponymous fashion label to serve in her father’s White House, have taken full advantage of the benefits of their new jobs.

In April, on the same day she and Kushner sat next to Chinese president Xi Jinping at a White House state dinner, the Chinese government gave its conditional approval for three trademarks granting Ivanka what the AP called “monopoly rights” to sell Ivanka-branded jewelry, bags, and spa services.

China approved two more rounds of trademarks in May and June, according to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a nonpartisan government watchdog.

In mid-2018, Ivanka shuttered her clothing brand altogether, citing a desire to focus on her work in Washington.

However, she has since continued to seek potentially lucrative trademarks in China, leaving open the possibility that she could return to the brand after her time in public service concludes.

(“As the daughter of the U.S. President, Ivanka Trump has an initial advantage of publicity,” Chinese designer Yang Mei explained to TIME in 2017.)

Last fall, in the midst of her father’s trade war with China and his efforts to strike a new trade agreement between the two global superpowers, she won initial approval for 16 trademarks, and added five more to her portfolio earlier this year.

The free advertising

While the company was still active, Ivanka wasn’t shy about using the spotlight that comes with being the president’s daughter to goose sales of Ivanka-branded apparel and accessories.

Journalists received a press release promoting a gold bracelet—starting at $8,800 and up to $10,800—that she wore during a 60 Minutes interview in November 2016.

A few months later, Ivanka Trump’s entire line received an enthusiastic on-air endorsement from Trump advisor Kellyanne Conway, who called the clothing “wonderful” and urged Fox & Friends viewers to “go buy it today.”

The White House said it “counseled” Conway in response.

After Ivanka wrapped a speech at the 2016 Republican National Convention where her father officially became the party’s presidential nominee, she tweeted a link inviting followers to “shop Ivanka’s look”: a pink Ivanka-branded dress that retailed for $138. It sold out within hours.

The miraculous Kushner bailout

For years, 666 Fifth Avenue was the most vexing line-item on the Kushner real estate ledger—a Midtown skyscraper purchased for $1.8 billion, most of which the family borrowed, right before the 2008 recession.

A mammoth mortgage of about $1.4 billion was due in February of this year, leading to speculation throughout Jared’s time in the West Wing about how, exactly, the Kushner family would come up with the cash.

Multiple foreign governments seized on this uncertainty, privately discussing ways to take advantage of his business entanglements and financial difficulties when dealing with the United States, the Washington Post reported.

In April 2017, a real estate firm tied to the Kushner family made a direct appeal to the government of Qatar to invest in the troubled building, The Intercept reported.

A month later, when a coalition of Persian Gulf states led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates organized a blockade of Qatar, Kushner was among its most vocal U.S. supporters.

According to NBC News, some Qatari officials believed the White House’s position was retaliation for their government’s decision not to make a deal with Kushner’s family.

In the months that followed, Kushner developed a close working relationship with Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman—close enough that bin Salman allegedly told confidants that the president’s son-in-law was “in his pocket.”

Fortunately, help for the Kushner family’s financial woes subsequently arrived in the form of Brookfield Asset Management, which acquired a 99-year lease on 666 Fifth Avenue for about $1 billion in April 2018.

This miraculous timing allowed the Kushners to pay off its existing mortgage and buy out its partner in the venture, Vornado Realty Trust.

The buyer was a semi-familiar face in this drama: One of Brookfield Asset Management’s largest investors is the government of Qatar.

Both Brookfield and Qatar claimed that Qatar had no advance warning that its money would be bailing out the president’s son-in-law.

The real estate investments

In June, The Guardian reported that Cadre, a real estate investment company owned in part by Kushner, has taken in some $90 million in offshore funding via an ominously-described “opaque offshore vehicle” in the Cayman Islands since he joined the White House.

Some of the money, the Guardian says, came from other tax shelters; some of it came from unidentified sources in—you guessed it—Saudi Arabia.

Meanwhile, as my colleague Luke Darby noted at the time, although Kushner has purportedly recused himself from decisions affecting real estate policy, Ivanka has done no such thing.

The president’s daughter was instrumental in the effort to include in the 2017 tax reform bill an “Opportunity Zones” program, which extends lucrative tax breaks to rich people who invest capital in designated less-developed areas.

According to the AP, Cadre is raising funds from investors to build Opportunity Zone projects, and the Kushner family already owns at least 13 properties in opportunity zones that could qualify for special tax treatment.

The golf course deals

Last month, in the midst of Trump’s Ukraine scandal and mere hours after Fox News host Jesse Watters asserted that the president’s sons “stopped doing international business deals” when he became president, one of the president's sons hopped on Twitter to celebrate a new international business deal at a Trump golf course in Scotland.

The agreement will allow the Trumps to build 550 new homes in the area, along with a second 18-hole course in the same development.

It is a fortunate break for the Trump-owned resort, which finished its seventh straight year in the red in 2018, according to The Independent.

The stakes in Trump hotels

Just down the road from the White House is the Trump International Hotel, located in D.C.’s Old Post Office building leased in 2013 to one of Donald Trump’s holding companies for development as a luxury hotel.

It is a federally-owned building on the National Register of Historic Places, which means the president is, in a manner of speaking, now acting as his own landlord on the lease.

The property has become notorious for attracting members of Congress, lobbyists, Cabinet officials, interest groups, foreign heads of state, and anyone else looking to curry the president’s favor.

In July, the Washington Post reported that an Iraqi sheikh, a few months after writing to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and then-national security advisor John Bolton to suggest a tougher position on Iran, spent 26 nights on an eighth-floor suite.

Each of the three eldest Trump kids, Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka, owns a 7.425-percent interest in the holding company that leases the building.

Because Ivanka Trump fills out an annual financial disclosure as a White House employee, we know a bit more about how the that stake is paying off these days: Her most recent filing listed almost $4 million in annual revenue from the hotel.

The hotels that almost were

In summer 2017, the Trump boys were working on developing two new hotel chains: Scion, a line of four-star properties, and American Idea, a line of patriotically-decorated, moderately-priced properties in heartland markets.

The New York Times reported that they came up with the idea on the campaign trail with their father, where they relished the opportunity to attend each rally but “were less enamored of the budget-friendly hotels along the way.”

Along with a pair of former campaign donors-turned-business-partners, the Trump Organization struck a deal after the election to open the first Scion hotel in Cleveland, Mississippi.

Earlier this year, though, it pulled out of the agreement and shelved its expansion plan indefinitely.

“We live in a climate where everything will be used against us, whether by the fake news or by Democrats who are only interested in presidential harassment,” Eric explained at the time.

“We already have the greatest properties in the world and if we have to slow down our growth for the time being, we are happy to do it.”

The billion-dollar sales pitch

In February 2018, Don Jr. traveled to India in an effort to sell more than $1 billion worth of luxury residential units built there by the Trump Organization and its partners.

According to the New York Times, advertisements heralding Don Jr.’s visit read: “Trump has arrived.

Have you?” Rajiv Bansa, a salesman at one of the properties, predicted that the younger Trump would have little trouble moving the inventory on his whirlwind tour of the region.

“Everyone in India knows who the U.S. president is,” he told the Times.

“It’s a status symbol. This is a big brand, the president of the United States’ name will be on it.”

When the Times asked the White House if Don Jr.’s sales visit presented “even an appearance of a conflict of interest,” the White House declined to comment.

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-kids-profit-presidency

I have always avoided your threads like the plague.

Too much reality for a psychopath like you to handle.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/18/poli ... ssion=true

THAT'S MY BOY!