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solon » 30 Oct 2019 1:10 pm » wrote:

Misty » 30 Oct 2019 1:07 pm » wrote:The Liar-In-Chief keeps saying that he released a full transcript of his call to the president of Ukraine, word for word, comma for comma.
But this is what it says right in the memo.
"A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion.
The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place.
A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation.
The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear."

Between Vindman and Taylor there just isn't ANY rational defense left for Trump.The best the right can do is ADMIT Trump's blatant corruption and say it isn't impeachable

Termin8tor » 30 Oct 2019 5:55 am » wrote:

Misty » 29 Oct 2019 4:57 pm » wrote:You Trumpettes live in a **** bubble.
Because you only see him in front of staged crowds like at his rallies, you think he's a lot more popular than he actually is.

He's more popular now than he was when he was elected......

Termin8tor » 30 Oct 2019 6:20 am » wrote:I know that you are sincerely interested in Beltway corruption, so I'm absolutely sure you won't censor this.
https://spectator.org/an-impeachment-de ... n-offense/

Termin8tor » 31 Oct 2019 2:15 pm » wrote:
What an utter crock of ****, psycho

Says YOU proven LIAR and the most brainwashed MORON I have ever seen and a GUTLESS COWARD who NEVER addresses the FACTS

How do we know how important Devin Nunes was in exposing the biggest abuse of power in US history?

He wasnt if the Russia investigation was a FRAUD then you can explain all THIS RIGHT?

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/06/timel ... stigation/In July 2016, the FBI began investigating the Russian government’s attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election, including whether President Donald Trump’s campaign associates were involved in those efforts.The START of the whole thing was a bunch of intelligence agencies like Estonia and Germany and Britain was telling OUR intelligence agencies that whenever they were spying on KNOWN and suspected Russian intelligence assets they kept hearing Trump campaign people
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nks-russiaGCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.
Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.
The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.
It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.
Trump was getting advance notice from wikileaks about their dumps wikileaks was called by Trumps own pick for head of the CIA a hostile intelligence agency but Trump touted them at LEAST 100 times
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/19/18507743/ ... -wikileaksTrumps campaign manager repeatedly gave a man he KNEW was connected to Russian Military Intelligence INTERNAL polling data and Manafort discussed their strategy for the midwest with him
https://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort- ... gn-1400826The report noted that Manafort instructed his longtime colleague Rick Gates to provide Kilimnik with internal Trump campaign polling data and briefings on the campaign's strategies. For years, Manafort and Kilimnik worked together closely on political campaigns in Ukraine. Manafort even nicknamed Kilimnik his "Russian brain." The FBI has determined that Kilimnik, who was once a Russian military translator, has links to Russian intelligence services.
Sessions, Page, Manafort, Papadopolous, Jared, Don jr, Gates, Mcfarland ALL had contacts with Russians then LIED about them. Either you can cough up an innocent explanation for all that LYING or that alone justifies the investigationThe Trump campaign had more than 140 contacts with Russians the normal presidential campaign has ZERO

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... e=REGIWALLJan 26, 2019 - Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries,

ADDRESS the FACTS or STFU LIAR

The Democrat Smear Machine and its psychopathic toadies are smearing him.

You are a LIAR they are telling the TRUTH about him and it is REALITY and FACTS that you HATE and attack

He's a man of high integrity and courage, a truly great American.

MY GOD you are stupid and delusional

Which is why you despise him.

Termin8tor » 31 Oct 2019 2:15 pm » wrote:

Devin Nunes....cult, shriek, babble, blah, blah

What an utter crock of ****, psycho.
How do we know how important Devin Nunes was in exposing the biggest abuse of power in US history?

Termin8tor » 31 Oct 2019 4:14 pm » wrote:

Misty » 31 Oct 2019 3:16 pm » wrote:Devin Nunes is a **** hack.

Proving any doubt I'm correct; He's a man of high integrity and courage, a truly great American.

Termin8tor » 31 Oct 2019 4:36 pm » wrote:How many crimes did Mueller and his team of hacks accused Trump of?

Zero.

How many crimes did Barr and his team of professionals determine Trump committed?

Zero.

BuzzFeed News sued the US government to see all the work that Mueller’s team kept secret.

We have published the first installment, with revelations about the Ukraine conspiracy theory, Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, and more.

These are some of the revelations that BuzzFeed News pried loose after pursuing five separate Freedom of Information Act lawsuits for all the subpoenas and search warrants that then-special counsel Robert Mueller’s team executed, as well as all the emails, memos, letters, talking points, legal opinions, and interview transcripts it generated.

In response to a court order, the Justice Department released the first installment of documents: hundreds of pages of summaries of FBI interviews with witnesses, available here for the first time. Another installment will be released every month for at least the next eight years.

The documents revealed Saturday, known as “302 reports,” are summaries of interviews with former White House official and Trump campaign manager Stephen Bannon, Cohen, Gates, and more.

They are some of the most important and highly sought-after documents from Mueller’s investigation.

They reveal what key players in the campaign told FBI agents about Russia, Trump, the email hack during the 2016 presidential campaign, and Trump associates’ handling of the special counsel’s investigation.

Mueller’s 448-page report last March was the most hotly anticipated prosecutorial document in a generation, laying out the evidence of Russia's interference in the 2016 election and the Trump administration’s efforts to obstruct the inquiry.

The report, however, reflected only a small fraction of the billions of primary-source documents that the government claims Mueller’s team may have amassed over the course of its two-year investigation.

Those documents are a crucial national legacy, a key to understanding this important chapter in American history. But the public has not been allowed to see any of them. Until now.

You can read all the documents obtained by BuzzFeed here:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ja ... et-memos-1

In Ukraine, the quid pro quo may have started long before the phone call.

A standard theme in detective thrillers is that the perpetrator feels compelled to return to the scene of the crime. It’s an irrational urge, and readers of such potboilers are often left wondering whether the protagonist secretly wants to get caught.

Perhaps we’re living a real-life version of this fictional plot in President Trump’s alleged solicitation of political help from Ukraine, which this week spawned a full-blown impeachment probe.

Republicans question whether the Ukraine events have the weight of “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

But when seen as part of a pattern of behavior, the gravity becomes clearer.

Trump survived his first effort to solicit foreign political help in his appeals to Russia for damaging information about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential campaign.

But soon after Trump was cleared of “collusion” by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, he seemingly went at it again — this time demanding political dirt from Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, as a condition of delivering military assistance to Kyiv.

Trump evidently thought he’d been exonerated, too, of obstructing Mueller’s investigation (though Mueller’s report is ambiguous on that question).

Perhaps emboldened, the president has since appeared to deepen his obstructive behavior, trying to block witnesses from testifying before Congress about Ukraine or any other questionable presidential and personal behavior.

If this were a thriller, we’d suspect that the central character has a compulsion that he doesn’t understand or control — and keeps repeating the actions that get him in trouble.

But this is reality, not bedtime reading.

And now it’s an impeachment investigation, as of Thursday, that requires evidence of wrongdoing rather than psychological speculation about motives.

House investigators have been conducting a rapid, well-focused inquiry. But here are two nagging questions that I hope investigators can answer.

What led to Trump’s first meeting on June 20, 2017, with Ukraine’s then-President Petro Poroshenko?

Ukraine had hired the lobbying firm BGR Group in January 2017 to foster contact with Trump, but nothing had happened . . . and then the door opened. Why?

On June 7, less than two weeks before Poroshenko’s White House meeting, Trump’s lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, had visited Kyiv to give a speech for the Victor Pinchuk Foundation, headed by a prominent Ukrainian oligarch.

While Giuliani was there, he also met with Poroshenko and his prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, according a news release issued by the foundation.

Just after Giuliani’s visit, Ukraine’s investigation of the so-called black ledger that listed alleged illicit payments to former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was transferred from an anti-corruption bureau, known as NABU , to Poroshenko’s prosecutor general, according to a June 15, 2017, report in the Kyiv Post.

The paper quoted Viktor Trepak, former deputy head of the country’s security service, saying: “It is clear for me that somebody gave an order to bury the black ledger.”

The New York Times reported in May 2018 that Ukraine had “halted cooperation” with Mueller’s investigation.

The paper quoted Volodymyr Ariev, a parliament ally of Poroshenko, explaining: “In every possible way, we will avoid irritating the top American officials.”

Was there any implicit understanding that Poroshenko’s government would curb its cooperation with the U.S. Justice Department’s investigation of Manafort, who would later be indicted by Mueller?

Why was Marie Yovanovitch , the U.S. ambassador to Kyiv, fired in May?

Trump, Giuliani and their allies had been attacking her since early 2018, but for what reason?

Lutsenko, the Ukrainian prosecutor, told the Hill in March that she had given him a “do not prosecute” order, an incendiary charge that Donald Trump Jr. promptly echoed on Twitter.

But Lutsenko later recanted, and the State Department said the story was a fabrication.

So why were Trump and Giuliani so eager to dump the ambassador?

Here’s what Yovanovitch said during her Oct. 11 testimony to House investigators: “Individuals who have been named in the press as contacts of Mr. Giuliani may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine.”

The former ambassador may have been referring to Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas, two Giuliani clients who were indicted last month on suspicion of arranging secret contributions to help foreign governments.

(Fruman and Parnas have pleaded not guilty.)

Their biggest project, according to an Associated Press Oct. 7 story, was a plan to sell U.S. natural gas to Ukraine, aided by Giuliani and Energy Secretary Rick Perry’s lobbying of Naftogaz, the Ukrainian gas company.

Trump’s effort to play politics in Ukraine is described in an ever-widening stream of documents and testimony.

The House must now assess whether Trump’s behavior makes him unfit to continue in office.

President Donald Trump has been ordered by a New York State judge to pay $2 million to a group of nonprofit organizations as part of a settlement in a civil lawsuit stemming from persistent violations of state charities laws.

The payment is the final resolution to a case brought by the New York attorney general's office after the Trump Foundation held a fundraiser for military veterans during the 2016 campaign.

The televised fundraiser took in nearly $3 million in donations that were dispersed on the eve of the Iowa caucuses as directed by then-campaign chief Corey Lewandowski.

The two million must be paid by President Trump himself for breaching his fiduciary duty to properly oversee the foundation that bears his name.

"I direct Mr. Trump to pay the $2,000,000, which would have gone to the Foundation if it were still in existence, on a pro rata basis to the Approved Recipients," Judge Saliann Scarpulla wrote.

The lawsuit filed by the state's attorney general accused President Trump -- along with his children, Donald Jr., Eric and Ivanka -- of conflating charity with politics, repeatedly using charitable donations for personal, political and business gains, including legal settlements, campaign contributions and even to purchase a portrait of Trump to hang at one of his hotels.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/trump-fou ... ssion=true

Misty » 25 Oct 2019 11:49 am » wrote:

Misty » 28 Oct 2019 10:47 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 07 Nov 2019 2:57 pm » wrote:
Yet another psychopathic lie with zero evidence to back it up.

Devin Nunes is an American hero.

Termin8tor » 07 Nov 2019 2:54 pm » wrote:

Misty » 02 Nov 2019 5:09 pm » wrote:In Ukraine, the quid pro quo may have started long before the phone call.

Oh my gosh, Trump was seeking evidence about how the biggest scandal in US history began?
An attempt to steal an election, then topple the duly elected president in a coup.
Involving felonies for which Durham will be issuing indictments?
He also was seeking evidence of corruption and criminal activity by a longtime Beltway hack and his son.
You want to impeach Trump for that, wackjob?
You're kidding, right?

Misty » 26 Oct 2019 1:04 pm » wrote:



http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc ... _tw_maddow

Good for her.
That takes balls.

Cannonpointer » 07 Nov 2019 5:25 pm » wrote:NBC gets faux exposed for covering for a predator lets a top anchor "call them out," runs a smarmy mea culpa, comes off as rehabilitated, faux "courageous" and newly admirable - working toward accountability, addressing the problem, yada **** yada. You guys are like children, seriously. This horse **** is so transparent. It's **** DAMAGE CONTROL in the pound me, too era, people.
Meantime, they covered for a predator and you still respect them and have confidence in them. Forget what that says bout them... what does it say about... you...