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Termin8tor » 06 Dec 2019 11:32 am » wrote:
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Can't refute one single fact, psycho?

Why bother to GIVE you the FACTS you run from like the GUTLESS COWARD you are?


Did they carry almost three years of anti-Trump Fake News, lies, propaganda and **** like your sources did?

No they didnt. they told the TRUTH about Trump YOU are a LIAR a PROVEN LIAR and you just keep tellilng the SAME LIES over and over

Are they covering up the biggest abuse of power in US history, like your sources are?

Ricky Tavy » 10 Dec 2019 10:47 am » wrote:

Misty » 10 Dec 2019 10:45 am » wrote:NO POLITICAL BIAS, NO COUP, NO ILLEGAL SURVEILLANCE, NO ENTRAPMENT, NO DEEP STATE CONSPIRACY, NO TREASON.

So, other than being completely wrong, Chlammy's Nostradumbass predictions were spot on.

Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 8:52 am » wrote:

Misty » 26 Nov 2019 2:18 pm » wrote:EVIDENCE........

I very much look forward to John Brennan being indicted.

Termin8tor » 09 Dec 2019 3:01 pm » wrote:Does anyone hear a deep rumbling sound? Sounds like indictments getting ready to be issued.

BREAKING: US Attorney John Durham Releases Statement Disputing IG Report Conclusions
Cristina Laila by Cristina Laila....
.....US Attorney from Connecticut John Durham immediately released a statement following the release of the FISA report and disputed Horowitz’s findings and conclusions.

“I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff. However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened,” John Durham said in a rare statement.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/1 ... nclusions/

Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 10:56 am » wrote:So Brennan's perjury shouldn't be prosecuted, psycho?

Termin8tor » 08 Dec 2019 8:21 am » wrote:From the highly credible Real Clear Politics.......

Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 11:18 am » wrote:The coup participants are going to prison.

Termin8tor » 05 Dec 2019 12:34 pm » wrote:Now why would I possibly believe what the corrupt WashPost claims, psycho?
Don't you have any reliable sources?

Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 11:24 am » wrote:

Misty » 10 Dec 2019 11:21 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 11:18 am » wrote:The coup participants are going to prison.

There was no **** coup you gaping asshole.

Except that both Barr and Durham have said otherwise........

Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 1:21 pm » wrote:
He doesn't need a pretense. Wray is a hapless double talking bureaucrat who on and off has allowed his agency to cover up the biggest scandal in US history. Lately he seems to have been more cooperative.

You are a LIAR a TRAITOR and a GUTLESS COWARD if the Russia investigation was any kind of scandal at all why did Horowitz say it was justified? Why do these FACTS show it was justified?

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/06/timel ...
July 2016, the FBI began investigating the Russian government’s attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election, including whether President Donald Trump’s campaign associates were involved in those efforts.The START of the whole thing was a bunch of intelligence agencies like Estonia and Germany and Britian was telling OUR intelligence agencies that whenever they were spying on KNOWN and suspected Russian intelligence assets they kept hearing Trump campaign people
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nks-russia
GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland.
Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.
Trump was getting advance notice from wikileaks about their dumps wikileaks was called by Trumps own pick for head of the CIA a hostile intelligence agency but Trump touted them at LEAST 100 times
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/19/18507743/ ...
Trumps campaign manager repeatedly gave a man he KNEW was connected to Russian Military Intelligence INTERNAL polling data and Manafort discussed their strategy for the midwest with him
https://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort- .
The report noted that Manafort instructed his longtime colleague Rick Gates to provide Kilimnik with internal Trump campaign polling data and briefings on the campaign's strategies. For years, Manafort and Kilimnik worked together closely on political campaigns in Ukraine. Manafort even nicknamed Kilimnik his "Russian brain." The FBI has determined that Kilimnik, who was once a Russian military translator, has links to Russian intelligence services.
Sessions, Page, Manafort, Papadopolous, Jared, Don jr, Gates, Mcfarland ALL had contacts with Russians then LIED about them. Either you can cough up an innocent explanation for all that LYING or that alone justifies the investigation
The Trump campaign had more than 140 contacts with Russians the normal presidential campaign has ZERO
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... e=REGIWALLJan 26, 2019 -
Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries

ADDRESS the FACTS or STFU you GUTLESS COWARD

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Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 1:28 pm » wrote:
You mean he is credible enough not to have bought 3 years of Fake News, lies, anti-Trump propaganda and **** your sources carried?

He appraises the facts for what they are and sees the biggest scandal in US history from the obvious mountain of evidence proving it?

You are a LIAR a TRAITOR and a GUTLESS COWARD if it was an abuse of power then EXPLAIN THESE UNDENIABLE FACTS

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/06/timel ...
July 2016, the FBI began investigating the Russian government’s attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election, including whether President Donald Trump’s campaign associates were involved in those efforts.The START of the whole thing was a bunch of intelligence agencies like Estonia and Germany and Britian was telling OUR intelligence agencies that whenever they were spying on KNOWN and suspected Russian intelligence assets they kept hearing Trump campaign people
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nks-russia
GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland.
Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.
Trump was getting advance notice from wikileaks about their dumps wikileaks was called by Trumps own pick for head of the CIA a hostile intelligence agency but Trump touted them at LEAST 100 times
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/19/18507743/ ...
Trumps campaign manager repeatedly gave a man he KNEW was connected to Russian Military Intelligence INTERNAL polling data and Manafort discussed their strategy for the midwest with him
https://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort- .
The report noted that Manafort instructed his longtime colleague Rick Gates to provide Kilimnik with internal Trump campaign polling data and briefings on the campaign's strategies. For years, Manafort and Kilimnik worked together closely on political campaigns in Ukraine. Manafort even nicknamed Kilimnik his "Russian brain." The FBI has determined that Kilimnik, who was once a Russian military translator, has links to Russian intelligence services.
Sessions, Page, Manafort, Papadopolous, Jared, Don jr, Gates, Mcfarland ALL had contacts with Russians then LIED about them. Either you can cough up an innocent explanation for all that LYING or that alone justifies the investigation
The Trump campaign had more than 140 contacts with Russians the normal presidential campaign has ZERO
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... e=REGIWALLJan 26, 2019 -
Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries


ADDRESS the FACTS or STFU you GUTLESS COWARD we both KNOW you will run away again because that is what TRAITORS and GUTLESS COWARDS like you do

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Another Inquiry Doesn’t Back Up Trump’s Charges. So, on to the Next.

By the time the Justice Department inspector general’s report was released, the president and his supporters had moved on in their effort to convince Americans of the enemies arrayed against him.

WASHINGTON — President Trump and his allies spent months promising that a report on the origins of the F.B.I.’s Russia investigation would be a kind of Rosetta Stone for Trump-era conspiracy enthusiasts — the key to unlocking the secrets of a government plot to keep Mr. Trump from being elected in 2016.

On that point, the report by the Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, did not deliver, even as it found serious problems with how F.B.I. officials justified the surveillance of a Trump campaign aide to a federal court.

But by the time it was released, the president, his attorney general, his supporters in Congress and the conservative news media had already declared victory and decamped for the next battle in the wider war to convince Americans of the enemies at home and abroad arrayed against the Trump presidency.

They followed a script they have used for nearly three years: Engage in a choreographed campaign of presidential tweets, Fox News appearances and fiery congressional testimony to create expectations about finding proof of a “deep state” campaign against Mr. Trump.

And then, when the proof does not emerge, skew the results and prepare for the next opportunity to execute the playbook.

That opportunity has arrived in the form of an investigation by a Connecticut prosecutor ordered this year by Attorney General William P. Barr — and the president and his allies are now predicting it will be the one to deliver damning evidence that the F.B.I., C.I.A. and even close American allies conspired against Mr. Trump in the 2016 election.

But Mr. Barr went further, suggesting that the president had been a victim of America’s law enforcement machinery and pledging to investigate the origins of the inquiry.

The man he has asked to lead that investigation, John H. Durham, the United States attorney in Hartford, Conn., chummed the waters on Monday by releasing a highly unusual statement saying he disagreed with some of the findings of the inspector general’s report and had a mandate to conduct a broader, more thorough investigation.

Mr. Durham is carrying out his inquiry in the heat of a presidential campaign, raising the prospect that Mr. Trump could seize on his findings should they come out in the months or weeks before the 2020 election.

President Trump played down expectations for the inspector general’s report as its release approached — but played up what the next investigation might yield.

The strategy on display Monday was first used by the president and his allies in March 2017, when Mr. Trump tweeted that the Obama administration had used the F.B.I. to wiretap Trump Tower during the presidential campaign.

The tweet caused a sensation among the president’s supporters, and Representative Devin Nunes, a California Republican who was then the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, pledged to investigate.

Months later, the Justice Department told a federal court that the claim was unsubstantiated, but the damage was done.

Mr. Trump eventually told Sean Hannity of Fox News that the claim in the tweet was based on “a little bit of a hunch and a little bit of wisdom.”

The fact that it became such a controversy, the president brazenly asserted, was actually evidence of F.B.I. misdeeds.

“If they weren’t doing anything wrong, it would’ve just gotten by,” he said.

“Nobody would have cared about it.”

In early 2018, Republicans fueled speculation that the release of a document written by Mr. Nunes would prove widespread F.B.I. surveillance abuses during the 2016 campaign and show how the bureau opened its Russia investigation based on a dossier of uncorroborated information provided by a former British spy, Christopher Steele.

Mr. Trump’s allies used the F.B.I.’s objections to the release of the Nunes memo to promote a Twitter campaign —#releasethememo — and in February of last year Mr. Trump ordered it declassified.

It landed mostly with a thud, and it even ended up debunking the claim that the dossier was the origin of the F.B.I.’s Russia investigation.

The Nunes memo confirmed press reporting — that the investigation began after a Trump campaign aide told an Australian diplomat that the Russian government had obtained thousands of emails from Mr. Trump’s Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.

But the president’s allies soon found another opportunity: the Justice Department’s announcement of an investigation into the origins of the Russia inquiry led by Mr. Horowitz.

It would be this investigation, they predicted, that would reveal the depths of the F.B.I.’s perfidy.

During a congressional hearing in September, one Republican lawmaker asked Corey Lewandowski, Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager, where he thought the “whole lie of Russian collusion started.”

Mr. Lewandowski replied that he expected Mr. Horowitz would get the answer — that it “began at the highest levels of the government and was perpetrated through the intelligence community to come up with a narrative of why Hillary Clinton lost the campaign as opposed to the real narrative, why Donald Trump won the campaign.”

Mr. Horowitz’s report made no such conclusions, even if it did criticize F.B.I. officials for serial mistakes in their applications to carry out surveillance of a Trump campaign aide.

“That so many basic and fundamental errors were made by three separate, handpicked teams on one of the most sensitive F.B.I. investigations that was briefed to the highest levels within the F.B.I., and that F.B.I. officials expected would eventually be subjected to close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the F.B.I. chain of command’s management,” the report said.

But the report did not find a widespread, anti-Trump conspiracy inside the F.B.I., and it even contained damning information about how some agents working on the case hoped that Mr. Trump would win a surprise victory over Mrs. Clinton.

Polls show that the relentless, White House-led assault on America’s law enforcement machinery has had an impact — especially among Republicans — but the returns might be diminishing.

In polling by the Pew Research Center last year, less than half of Republicans had a favorable view of the F.B.I., a sharp decline from previous years.

In a September poll, however, two-thirds of Republicans again said they have a favorable view of the F.B.I.

It is uncertain when Mr. Durham will conclude his investigation, but Mr. Barr has given him a wide aperture to examine the work of the law enforcement and intelligence officials in 2016, and even to examine whether close American allies collaborated in an effort to elect Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Barr and Mr. Durham traveled to Italy to examine whether the Italian government played a role in setting up a meeting between a Russia-linked professor and a Trump campaign aide, and Mr. Trump pressed Ukraine’s president and Australia’s prime minister to help Mr. Durham.

There is no indication that Mr. Durham will exhume any information that will fundamentally change the understanding of what happened in 2016.

But for Mr. Trump and his allies, the final conclusions might ultimately be less important than the months spent speculating about what those conclusions might be.

Speaking to reporters in London last week, Mr. Trump played down expectations about the Horowitz inquiry — indicating it was only an appetizer for what’s to come.

“I do think the big report to wait for is going to be the Durham report,” he said.

“That’s the one that people are really waiting for.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/us/p ... eport.html

Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 1:21 pm » wrote:

Misty » 10 Dec 2019 1:15 pm » wrote:Pretty sure Trump is cooking up some sort of pretense to fire Wray right now.

He doesn't need a pretense. Wray is a hapless double talking bureaucrat who on and off has allowed his agency to cover up the biggest scandal in US history. Lately he seems to have been more cooperative.
And why was Wray agreeing with Horowizt, not with the two officials who have far more information?

Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 1:21 pm » wrote:Trump has been far, far, far tougher on Russia than Obama ever was, psycho.

Termin8tor » 10 Dec 2019 1:25 pm » wrote:

Misty » 10 Dec 2019 11:32 am » wrote:I don't believe a **** word from Barr's lying mouth.
And now he seems to have corrupted a U.S. Attorney who had a good reputation, just like he corrupted Rod Rosenstein.

That's just **** hilarious.
Without your pre-writting Talking Point Lies, you suck at lying.