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Good, it's a mess and quietly lobbying for yet another massive bailout of Other People's Money.Legalize letter delivery by all carriers, and let it sink or swim on its own.Gosh, aren't the OWS moonbats yelling,"No more bailouts!!!!!!" . ?It's not lobbying for a bailout you jackhole.In 2006 the lame duck Republican Congress passed a law (The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006) that forced the USPS to fund 75 years worth of retirees' benefits over a 10-year span. That's like a bank telling you, you have to pay your thirty year mortgage in 5 years. If not for that law, the USPS would not have a deficit now.All they want is for Congress to allow the Postal Service to reallocate the excess funds they paid in, and stop forcing them to overfund their pension plan.Once again.....they are not asking for a bailout. If I were dealing with an honest person, I'd cut you some slack, but given your endless lies. not a chance.With all of the name calling, accusations and counter-accusations, and charged debate at a fever pitch over the budget, deficit crisis, and Standard & Poors downgrade of the U.S. credit rating, the equally-pathetic condition of the United States Postal Service hasnt gotten much attention of late. It needs to soon. The good news? Its massively in the red, barely breathing on life-support, and threatening default on billions of dollars in mandated payments to the federal government next month if Congress doesnt ride to the rescue. Same old story, different players. Why does Washington fail to see the pattern here.....USPS cut work hours during the quarter by 3.1 percent compared to the previous year, when quarterly net losses were $3.5 billion. It says it lost $5.7 billion during the nine-month period ended June 30, compared to $5.4 billion in the same period of 2010. In its fourth straight year of declines, the agency had a net loss of $8.5 billion last year.http://constitutionc...he-post-office/

If I were dealing with an honest person, I'd cut you some slack, but given your endless lies. not a chance.IOW, I proved what you said was totally false.You said that the USPS is 'quietly lobbying for yet another massive bailout', which is a blatant lie. All they want is to recoup the money they were forced to overfund into their pension plan. That would solve all their problems.You pinheads who think that UPS and FedEx will take over if the Postal Service goes under, are very short sighted.By law, the USPS is obligated to keep open post office branches that are running at a deficit in order to ensure postal services to residents of rural communities.You really think that UPS and FedEx will operate at a deficit in rural areas?**** those people in rural areas. They can just drive to the nearest town to get their mail. Even the elderly and disabled. Right Puss?BTW, you said 'another' massive bailout. When was the last one?

If I were dealing with an honest person, I'd cut you some slack, but given your endless lies. not a chance.Klem's daily, morning mirror chant...Followed soon after by his masochistic floggings from LittleMissMarxist. Edited by Skeptic, 08 November 2011 - 09:07 PM.

Under the category of can't make this **** up, Congressman Joe Walsh [R-Illinois] has announced that the Family Research Council Action committee has named him a "True Blue" member of Congress for his "unwavering commitment and consistent support in defense of life and the family." Apparently that applies to other families, and not his own, since Rep. Walsh is $117,437 in arrears on his own child support payments. Walsh recently went off and had a meltdown on some constituents at a town hall meeting, who had the audacity to question the lack of regulation which ultimately allowed banks to bet against their own customers, and pointed out the presence of bank lobbyists in Congress and other financial regulatory agencies.VIDEOAt that same town hall meeting, Walsh, a Tea Party Favorite, then suggested that the federal government stop funding the U.S. Postal Service. "If the Postal Service can't compete in the marketplace," Walsh shouted. "I am tired of propping it up."I guess Walsh, like RichClem and many other right wing pinheads on this forum, doesn't know that the federal government does not fund the USPS. The Postal Service supports itself from the sale of postage and other services. Edited by MistyBlue, 09 November 2011 - 11:01 AM.

If I were dealing with an honest person, I'd cut you some slack, but given your endless lies. not a chance.IOW, I proved what you said was totally false.You didn't prove crap. You cited an opinion. Whenever I cite an opinion, you write it off as utterly worthless without even considering what's in it.So you have not one iota of proof, by your own standard.You said that the USPS is 'quietly lobbying for yet another massive bailout', which is a blatant lie.The federal government for decades pumped money into the Post Office to keep it afloat. No, the word "bailout" wasn't used, but that's exactly what it was.All they want is to recoup the money they were forced to overfund into their pension plan. That would solve all their problems.Perhaps, or more likely it would kick the can down the road with postal workers expecting to help themselves to Other People's Money like they've done for decades.You pinheads who think that UPS and FedEx will take over if the Postal Service goes under, are very short sighted.By law, the USPS is obligated to keep open post office branches that are running at a deficit in order to ensure postal services to residents of rural communities.You really think that UPS and FedEx will operate at a deficit in rural areas?**** those people in rural areas. They can just drive to the nearest town to get their mail. Even the elderly and disabled. Right Puss?The private sector is far, far, far more efficient than government bodies, and the Free Market would serve Americans better than the Post Office.Legalize letter delivery for everyone including private companies. Your union got that made a felony, which eliminated all private sector competition.If you self serving hacks don't allow that, tough s***. Edited by RichClem, 09 November 2011 - 11:00 AM.

You didn't prove crap. You cited an opinion. Whenever I cite an opinion, you write it off as utterly worthless without even considering what's in it.It's not an opinion that the Postal Service has been forced to overfund their pension plan. It's a fact. That was done by design, by the 2006 Republican lame duck Congress, solely for the purpose of destroying it, so that they could privatize it. The federal government for decades pumped money into the Post Office to keep it afloat. No, the word "bailout" wasn't used, but that's exactly what it was.Proof?How much money does the federal government give to the Postal Service?The Postal Service is a federal entity, however unlike other government bodies it is self-funded by user fees. ThePostal Service last received a subsidy from the federal government in 1983.An exception occurred in 2001. In response to the anthrax attacks which followed September 11th, the Presidentauthorized $175 million in emergency funding while an additional $500 million was appropriated by Congress.However, the total cost of the clean-up effort and the purchase of irradiation equipment may reach $3 billion,according to (then) Postmaster General John E. Potter.http://postcom.org/p...aring/facts.pdfThe private sector is far, far, far more efficient than government bodies, and the Free Market would serve Americans better than the Post Office.The private sector cannot be forced to deliver mail to rural areas at a loss, like the Postal Service is obligated by law to do.People in rural areas will not be served by the private sector.

You didn't prove crap. You cited an opinion. Whenever I cite an opinion, you write it off as utterly worthless without even considering what's in it.It's not an opinion that the Postal Service has been forced to overfund their pension plan. It's a fact. That was done by design, by the 2006 Republican lame duck Congress, solely for the purpose of destroying it, so that they could privatize it. Oh no, that's not opinion, naaah!Who are you kidding?Proof?Sorry, my time is more valuable than to provide proof to liars and fools.The private sector cannot be forced to deliver mail to rural areas at a loss, like the Postal Service is obligated by law to do.People in rural areas will not be served by the private sector.Bulls***. If worse came to worse, it would be delivered in bulk to an area, divided into large parcels, and neighbors would help each other out. Wow, it'd be really tough for me to drive half a mile, pick up my mail and that of my neighbors a few times a week, right?The idea that Americans can't manage to get their own mail or help others is utterly absurd, leftist psychosis.

Sorry, my time is more valuable than to provide proof to liars and fools.Translation...I have no proof.Bulls***. If worse came to worse, it would be delivered in bulk to an area, divided into large parcels, and neighbors would help each other out. Wow, it'd be really tough for me to drive half a mile, pick up my mail and that of my neighbors a few times a week, right?Wake up Puss. It's not 1950 anymore, and we don't live in La-La Land, where life is beautiful all the time, and you're not Ward Cleaver.The idea that Americans can't manage to get their own mail or help others is utterly absurd, leftist psychosis.They get their mail just fine now. Why do you want to piss them off by stopping that?We should all be inconvenienced so that UPS and FedEx can make more money?I just read this post to my husband.We laughed so hard, we nearly choked.My husband said you sound like a talking asshole.I told him, he shouldn't be so complimentary.

Sorry, my time is more valuable than to provide proof to liars and fools.Translation...I have no proof.She lies.Bulls***. If worse came to worse, it would be delivered in bulk to an area, divided into large parcels, and neighbors would help each other out. Wow, it'd be really tough for me to drive half a mile, pick up my mail and that of my neighbors a few times a week, right?Wake up Puss. It's not 1950 anymore, and we don't live in La-La Land, where life is beautiful all the time, and you're not Ward Cleaver.Wow, an empty cliche. How persuasive. If the Post Office disappeared tomorrow, mail would be delivered almost everywhere in the US faster and cheaper, without yet another greedy public union constantly lobbying for a handout.They get their mail just fine now. Why do you want to piss them off by stopping that?We should all be inconvenienced so that UPS and FedEx can make more money?Profits! Oh my gosh, how evil!!!!Meanwhile, greedy public unions line their pockets with Other People's Money.

If the Post Office disappeared tomorrow, mail would be delivered almost everywhere in the US faster and cheaper, without yet another greedy public union constantly lobbying for a handout.Who's lying now? The government cannot force private companies to deliver mail to areas where they will take a loss, and you know it.Once again, the Postal Service is not lobbying for a handout. All they want is to recoup some of the money they were forced to overpay into their pension fund.Meanwhile, greedy public unions line their pockets with Other People's Money.Seriously?The USPS supports itself with the revenue from the sales of it's postage and services. It gets not one dime in 'Other People's Money'. It's their money.How many times do you have to be told that, before it sinks in?All you ever do is lie and spout GOP Talking Points, which is ironic, because that's exactly what you always accuse others of.Projection. It's not just for movie theaters.

Meanwhile, greedy public unions line their pockets with Other People's Money.Seriously?The USPS supports itself with the revenue from the sales of it's postage and services. It gets not one dime in 'Other People's Money'. It's their money.How many times do you have to be told that, before it sinks in?The answer to that question is N+1, where N='the number of times Klem has currently been told.'

Bulls***. If worse came to worse, it would be delivered in bulk to an area, divided into large parcels, and neighbors would help each other out. Wow, it'd be really tough for me to drive half a mile, pick up my mail and that of my neighbors a few times a week, right?The idea that Americans can't manage to get their own mail or help others is utterly absurd, leftist psychosis.That would be illegal. All mail must be delivered to the recipient by the letter carrier employed by the USPS system. The only way that would work is if there were mailboxes that had locks on them like they do at some apartment complexes where the mail is delivered to those boxes. But what if the person could not walk to the mailbox because they are disabled?. Or can't drive down toe road because they have no car to pick up their mail?. In those cases the USPS would still have to deliver to the recipient directly. Even if they live in an apartment and have the boxes in the image if the person is disabled the USPS letter carrier must deliver to the persons door and not require them to use the apartment mailboxes that are similar to the one in the image.2.1.3 Customer Maintenance of ReceptaclesCustomers must provide authorized mail receptacles or door slots, except for mail receptacles authorized by the USPS to be owned and maintained by the USPS. The purchase, installation, maintenance, and replacement of mail receptacles used by customers for mail delivery are not the responsibility of the USPS. However, the USPS may authorize neighborhood delivery and collection boxes and parcel lockers to be purchased, installed, maintained, or replaced by the USPS.Postal Rules Delivering Mail Edited by Lolas Dad, 13 November 2011 - 03:05 PM.

Questions on Sandusky Are Wrapped in a 2005 MysteryOne of the questions surrounding the sex-abuse case against Jerry Sandusky is why a former district attorney chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy. The answer is unknowable because of an unsolved mystery: What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney? Gricar went missing in April 2005. The murky circumstances surrounding his disappearance an abandoned car, a laptop recovered months later in a river without a hard drive, his body was never found have spawned Web sites, television programs and conspiracy theories. More than six years later, the police still receive tips and reports of sightings. The police in central Pennsylvania continue to investigate even though Gricars daughter, Lara, successfully petitioned in July to have her father declared legally dead so the family could find some closure and begin dividing his estate.Read More

Bulls***. If worse came to worse, it would be delivered in bulk to an area, divided into large parcels, and neighbors would help each other out. Wow, it'd be really tough for me to drive half a mile, pick up my mail and that of my neighbors a few times a week, right?That would be illegal. Clem doesn't care about that. He will say whatever he needs to say to try and discredit me, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.And that one, was pretty damned ridiculous.I'd like Clem to explain to me exactly how that would work. Would you need a permission slip to pick up your neighbor's mail? It's laughable. Edited by MistyBlue, 13 November 2011 - 04:40 PM.

Bulls***. If worse came to worse, it would be delivered in bulk to an area, divided into large parcels, and neighbors would help each other out. Wow, it'd be really tough for me to drive half a mile, pick up my mail and that of my neighbors a few times a week, right?That would be illegal. Clem doesn't care about that. He will say whatever he needs to say to try and discredit me, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.And that one, was pretty damned ridiculous.I'd like Clem to explain to me exactly how that would work. Would you need a permission slip to pick up your neighbor's mail? It's laughable.Hey moonbat, I've noted several times that it is a federal crime and it ought to be repealed.You don't pay the slightest attention to what your opponents write.You just lie through your teeth and post your usual Disinformation.

Newt Gingrich's Presidential 'Scampaign'.Once again the right wing has been taken in and put someone in the lead, who was just pretending to run for president in order to make money. Palin and Cain both did it so that they could sell books and raise their speaking fees.Gingrich is doing it, so he can hawk his books and DVD's.Last June Gingrich's campaign staff resigned en masse, because they questioned whether he was more interested in selling books and DVDs than running for president.Among the campaign events listed on Newt's website are a variety of book signings and DVD screenings.Turns out pretending to run for president is quite a lucrative business. It enables you to buy lots of stuff at Tiffany's.Rachel Maddow reports on Newt's SHAMpaign.VIDEO Edited by MistyBlue, 15 November 2011 - 04:17 PM.

Newt Gingrich's Presidential 'Scampaign'.Once again the right wing has been taken in and put someone in the lead, who was just pretending to run for president in order to make money. Palin and Cain both did it so that they could sell books and raise their speaking fees.Gingrich is doing it, so he can hawk his books and DVD's.Last June Gingrich's campaign staff resigned en masse, because they questioned whether he was more interested in selling books and DVDs than running for president.Among the campaign events listed on Newt's website are a variety of book signings and DVD screenings.Turns out pretending to run for president is quite a lucrative business. It enables you to buy lots of stuff at Tiffany's.Rachel Maddow reports on Newt's SHAMpaign.VIDEORachel seemed to enjoy presenting this soooo much.Poor Newt! What's he going to do, finding himself in the lead?The exposure will dig up his actual past -- and that'll just kill sales.Hey moonbat, I've noted several times that it is a federal crime and it ought to be repealed.You don't pay the slightest attention to what your opponents write.You just lie through your teeth and post your usual Disinformation.My God! Psychological projection really is your only talent.

My God! Psychological projection really is your only talent.WTF? He said: If worse came to worse, it (mail) would be delivered in bulk to an area, divided into large parcels, and neighbors would help each other out. Wow, it'd be really tough for me to drive half a mile, pick up my mail and that of my neighbors a few times a week, right?And I said: That would be illegal.So he says: Hey moonbat, I've noted several times that it is a federal crime and it ought to be repealed. WTF is he talking about?

WTF? He said: If worse came to worse, it (mail) would be delivered in bulk to an area, divided into large parcels, and neighbors would help each other out. Wow, it'd be really tough for me to drive half a mile, pick up my mail and that of my neighbors a few times a week, right?And I said: That would be illegal.So he says: Hey moonbat, I've noted several times that it is a federal crime and it ought to be repealed. WTF is he talking about? You're not seriously asking me, are you? Who the hell knows. I think his cheese is sliding off the cracker.

You're not seriously asking me, are you? Who the hell knows. I think his cheese is sliding off the cracker.You know as much as some of these people here make stupid comments about different things, there is a few comments that make me laugh out loud. The cheese sliding off the cracker is one of them.