Flying Monkeys
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11 Mar 2011 1:42 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
20 Jan 2020 1:31 pm
Political, the NYTimes, the Financial Times and many other publications have documented Ukraine's role, and a Ukrainian court declared that Ukraine did interfere in the 2016 election, illegally by Ukkrainian law.Misty » 20 Jan 2020 1:04 pm » wrote:That's Russian disinformation you gaping asshole.Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 12:53 pm » wrote:The Clinton campaign and Obama officials colluded with Ukraine and committed the biggest abuse of power in US history.
They used a package of lies in an attempt to steal the election, then topple the duly elected president in a soft coup.
Gosh, how unfair that Guliani is trying to not only clear his client, but resolve that for the American people.
And the FBI had zero reason to spy on the Trump campaign and the Trump presidency, never mind that FBI officials lied about when the spying began.
How typical that you tell a blatant lie, then censor the truth.
well you'd better write a letter to US Attorney John Durham explaining that he's wasting his time.
Never mind that every conservatives source in the entire country accepts what I say.
That there have been a number of well researched best selling books about it.
Never mind that Fox has proven it.
But obviously we ought to accept the word of a psychopathic liar over any of them.
20 Jan 2020 1:33 pm
Blah, blah, blah, blah by the psychopath as she tries to throw huge amounts of fluff in the air to hide the truth.Misty » 20 Jan 2020 1:30 pm » wrote:Seriously?That's all you got?
You left out the part about what he communicated about Precious.
It's getting harder and harder to defend this **** isn't it?
Especially since Parnas brought the receipts.
I guess you forgot that Nunes denied ever talking to Parnas and now had to admit that he spoke to him, and referred him to his top aide Dereck Harvey.
And Harvey exchanged hundreds of texts with Parnas.
Nunes and his aide were working with Parnas in digging up dirt on Biden while Nunes was taking part in the Impeachment hearings as the ranking member of the Intel Committee.
Did he disclose that he was involved with Parnas during the hearings?
No, he did not.
Nunes is a discrace who has repeatedly lied to the public.
Don't forget his little midnight ride.
Says the babbling brook of Liberal Forum.
What I've got is this; No crimes.
No impeachable acts.
20 Jan 2020 1:35 pm
Weird, but I don't see one single crime or impeachable act there.Misty » 20 Jan 2020 1:30 pm » wrote:Seriously?
That's all you got?
You left out the part about what he communicated about Precious.
It's getting harder and harder to defend this **** isn't it?
Especially since Parnas brought the receipts.
I guess you forgot that Nunes denied ever talking to Parnas and now had to admit that he spoke to him, and referred him to his top aide Dereck Harvey.
And Harvey exchanged hundreds of texts with Parnas.
Nunes and his aide were working with Parnas in digging up dirt on Biden while Nunes was taking part in the Impeachment hearings as the ranking member of the Intel Committee.
Did he disclose that he was involved with Parnas during the hearings?
No, he did not.
Nunes is a discrace who has repeatedly lied to the public.
Don't forget his little midnight ride.
Says the babbling brook of Liberal Forum.
Why is that, psycho?
Run, Forrest, run!
20 Jan 2020 1:39 pm
Almost certainly?Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 12:49 pm » wrote:And Biden was Obama's point man on Ukraine, meaning he almost certainly played a role in Ukraine's interference in the 2106 election.
Well, that proves it then.
He almost certainly played a role in something that didn't happen.
Lock him up!
It's not up to Biden to DISPROVE that he did anything wrong.Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 12:49 pm » wrote:Are you going to lie again and say that's been disproved?
It's up to you to PROVE that he did.
20 Jan 2020 1:45 pm
Here's a hint, Dim. I'm not claiming proof, just that there was enough for Trump to seek an investigation.Misty » 20 Jan 2020 1:39 pm » wrote:Almost certainly?
Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 12:49 pm wrote:Here's a hint, psycho. Investigating corruption and likely criminal wrongdoing by a high former government official and candidate for president absolutely is in the country's interest.
Any honest person would admit that, but you're not honest.And Biden was Obama's point man on Ukraine,meaning he almost certainly played a role in Ukraine's interference in the 2106 election.Are you going to lie again and say that's been disproved?
Well, that proves it then.
He almost certainly played a role in something that didn't happen.
Lock him up!
It's not up to Biden to DISPROVE that he did anything wrong.
It's up to you to PROVE that he did.
And seeking evidence not only of corrupt and likely criminal wrongdoing but interference into the 2106 election is absolutely in the interest of the US.
That's pretty freaking obvious, but I'm sure you'll lie.
20 Jan 2020 1:51 pm
Well for one thing, no one is talking about impeaching Nunes you moron.Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 1:35 pm » wrote:Weird, but I don't see one single crime or impeachable act there.Misty » 20 Jan 2020 1:30 pm » wrote:Nunes and his aide were working with Parnas in digging up dirt on Biden while Nunes was taking part in the Impeachment hearings as the ranking member of the Intel Committee.
Did he disclose that he was involved with Parnas during the hearings?
No, he did not.
Why is that, psycho?
You really don't give a **** how dirty or corrupt members of your party are, do you?
Even when they do commit crimes, you just dismiss it as no big deal.
This was a conspiracy to use a foreign country to dirty up Joe Biden in order to help Sniffles politically, and a sitting member of Congress with a key position on the Committee investigating that, was involved in that conspiracy and failed to disclose that fact.
That's about as dirty as you can get.
20 Jan 2020 1:59 pm
You lie as easily as you breathe.Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 1:47 pm » wrote:I'm not making any definitive accusation against Biden.
Maybe he was involved, but given how dim he is, maybe not.
So you went from 'almost certainly' to 'maybe' you **** weasel?Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 12:49 pm » wrote:And Biden was Obama's point man on Ukraine, meaning he almost certainly played a role in Ukraine's interference in the 2106 election.
Except none of that ever happened.Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 1:47 pm » wrote:I was referring to the near fact that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election at the behest and pressure of Obama officials, HRC officials and DNC officials.
You keep repeating that Russian disinformation, when the fact that Sniffles willingly took help from Russia in the 2016 election and is now soliciting help from both Ukraine and China for the 2020 election is right under your nose, yet you continue to deny it.
20 Jan 2020 2:16 pm
By 'package of lies' I'm assuming that you are talking about the Steele Dossier?Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 12:53 pm » wrote:The Clinton campaign and Obama officials colluded with Ukraine and committed the biggest abuse of power in US history.
They used a package of lies in an attempt to steal the election, then topple the duly elected president in a soft coup.
So when exactly did the Clinton Campaign and Obama officials release the dossier to the public?
Oh, wait, they never did.
It didn't become public until AFTER the election when Sniffles was briefed on it.
That sure was an *** backwards way to steal an election, by keeping that a secret.
20 Jan 2020 2:24 pm
The only thing that's freaking obvious is that you are a Russian bot who spreads Russian disinformation on a daily basis.Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 1:45 pm » wrote:Here's a hint, Dim. I'm not claiming proof, just that there was enough for Trump to seek an investigation.
And seeking evidence not only of corrupt and likely criminal wrongdoing but interference into the 2106 election is absolutely in the interest of the US.
That's pretty freaking obvious, but I'm sure you'll lie.
WTF do you know about honesty, you degenerate liar?Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 12:49 pm » wrote: Any honest person would admit that......
20 Jan 2020 2:47 pm
Not for lack of trying, psycho, but it was such a pathetic group of lies, that not even the corrupt liberal MSM would carry it, although that they believed that Hillary would win easily I'm sure was a factor.Misty » 20 Jan 2020 2:16 pm » wrote:By 'package of lies' I'm assuming that you are talking about the Steele Dossier?Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 12:53 pm » wrote:The Clinton campaign and Obama officials colluded with Ukraine and committed the biggest abuse of power in US history.
They used a package of lies in an attempt to steal the election, then topple the duly elected president in a soft coup.
Gosh, how unfair that Guliani is trying to not only clear his client, but resolve that for the American people.
Indictments are coming, and they won't be for process crimes or tax fraud.
So when exactly did the Clinton Campaign and Obama officials release the dossier to the public?
Oh, wait, they never did.
It didn't become public until AFTER the election when Sniffles was briefed on it.
That sure was an *** backwards way to steal an election, by keeping that a secret
It was shopped endlessly by members of many departments of government; Justice, FBI, State Dept maybe more.
But then yes, Comey corruptly "briefed" Trump then leaked the briefing to CNN, giving them an excuse to put all that Fake News on TV.
But great, great job at ignoring the most important point; that 100's of felonies were committed to steal the election, then topple Trump in a coup.
20 Jan 2020 3:51 pm
Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 2:51 pm » wrote:
Hey psycho, it wasn't my party that colluded with Ukraine to interfere in the 2016 election.
No the Trump GOP/Nazi party colluded with RUSSIA to interfere in the 2016 election which I have SHOWN you more than a dozen times and which you have RUN AWAY CRYING everytime since you are a GUTLESS COWARD. NO ONE colluded with Ukraine that is a Russian Military Intelligence propaganda TRAITORS like you keep pushing
It wasn't my party that committed 100's of felonies to steal an election, then topple the duly elected president in a coup.
You are a LIAR no such thing happened which is why you dont even TRY to show ANY of those alleged crimes. You are a PROVEN LIAR and a TRAITOR and the LEGITIMATE INVESTIGATION was NOT a coup attempt you are a LIAR and a TRAITOR Horowitz investigated EXACTLY that and said DIRECTLY it was a legitimate investigation the FACTS you are too much of a GUTLESS COWARD to address prove the Russia investigation was NOT a coup attempt TRAITOR
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nks-russia
GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland.
Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.
Trump was getting advance notice from wikileaks about their dumps wikileaks was called by Trumps own pick for head of the CIA a hostile intelligence agency but Trump touted them at LEAST 100 times
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/19/18507743/ ...
Trumps campaign manager repeatedly gave a man he KNEW was connected to Russian Military Intelligence INTERNAL polling data and Manafort discussed their strategy for the midwest with him
https://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort- .
The report noted that Manafort instructed his longtime colleague Rick Gates to provide Kilimnik with internal Trump campaign polling data and briefings on the campaign's strategies. For years, Manafort and Kilimnik worked together closely on political campaigns in Ukraine. Manafort even nicknamed Kilimnik his "Russian brain." The FBI has determined that Kilimnik, who was once a Russian military translator, has links to Russian intelligence services.
Sessions, Page, Manafort, Papadopolous, Jared, Don jr, Gates, Mcfarland ALL had contacts with Russians then LIED about them. Either you can cough up an innocent explanation for all that LYING or that alone justifies the investigation
The Trump campaign had more than 140 contacts with Russians the normal presidential campaign has ZERO
ADDRESS the FACTS or STFU you GUTLESS COWARD and TRAITOR.
20 Jan 2020 4:26 pm
Alan Dershowitz, 1998:
An impeachable offense "doesn't have to be a crime" if the president is "somebody who completely corrupts the office."
https://youtu.be/gpXr-sfwaDk
Alan Dershowitz, 2020:
"When you have somebody who, for example, is indicted for a crime, let's assume you have a lot of evidence but the grand jury simply indicts for something that's not a crime, and that's what happened here."
So in 1998, you didn't need a crime to impeach, but in 2020 you do.
**** hypocrite.
An impeachable offense "doesn't have to be a crime" if the president is "somebody who completely corrupts the office."
https://youtu.be/gpXr-sfwaDk
Alan Dershowitz, 2020:
"When you have somebody who, for example, is indicted for a crime, let's assume you have a lot of evidence but the grand jury simply indicts for something that's not a crime, and that's what happened here."
So in 1998, you didn't need a crime to impeach, but in 2020 you do.
**** hypocrite.
20 Jan 2020 4:44 pm
Tell me that Sniffles constantly bleating about Hillary's emails during the campaign and shouting 'lock her up' didn't hurt her.Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 2:59 pm » wrote:Here's a hint, psycho, if Biden hasn't done anything legally or ethically wrong, then nothing Nunes or Giliani have found will hurt him.Misty » 20 Jan 2020 1:51 pm » wrote:You really don't give a **** how dirty or corrupt members of your party are, do you?
Even when they do commit crimes, you just dismiss it as no big deal.
This was a conspiracy to use a foreign country to dirty up Joe Biden in order to help Sniffles politically, and a sitting member of Congress with a key position on the Committee investigating that, was involved in that conspiracy and failed to disclose that fact.
That's about as dirty as you can get.
So WTF are you shrieking about?
I dare you.
And she was cleared.
He wanted to be able to repeat that scenario, if Joe Biden was the Democratic nominee, which it looks like he could be.
Sniffles is terrified of Biden, because he is very popular in the very states that swung the election to him.
You think if you use the weasel word 'likely' you can make any accustion you want about someone?Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 2:59 pm » wrote:Especially in light of the fact that Hillary Clinton likely colluded with the Russians to create a fake "Dossier" of lies to steal the election, then topple Trump in a coup?
Read up on the Steele Dossier.
Hillary had no idea that the law firm hired by the DNC, Perkins Coie, hired Fusion GPS, who in turn hired Orbis Business Intelligence, who in turn hired Christopher Steele as a subcontractor.
And how did anyone attempt to steal the election by NOT releasing the dossier you **** imbecile?
20 Jan 2020 4:47 pm
You must be Putin's favorite bot.Termin8tor » 20 Jan 2020 2:51 pm » wrote:Hey psycho, it wasn't my party that colluded with Ukraine to interfere in the 2016 election.
20 Jan 2020 6:37 pm
These rules show that Moscow Mitch is trying to hide as many facts and evidence as he can from the public.McConnell Unveils Rules for Trump Impeachment Trial
On Monday, the president’s lawyers asserted he did nothing wrong and urged the Senate to “swiftly reject” the charges against him.
[....]
Mr. McConnell’s trial rules, which also limited each side’s arguments to 24 hours over two days, gave the White House a helping hand at the outset and drew a swift anger from Democrats.
The rules left open the possibility that the Senate could not only decline to hear new evidence not uncovered in the House impeachment inquiry, but could also sidestep considering the House case against Mr. Trump altogether — although such a vote is considered unlikely.
“Under this resolution, Senator McConnell is saying he doesn’t want to hear any of the existing evidence, and he doesn’t want to hear any new evidence,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the minority leader.
“It’s a cover-up, and the American people will see it for exactly what it is.”
He promised to propose changes during what promises to be a rancorous debate in the Senate over the rules on Tuesday.
[......]
Mr. McConnell had said repeatedly that he was modeling his rules on the procedures for Mr. Clinton’s 1999 impeachment trial, but he made key changes that tilt the playing field in Mr. Trump’s favor.
While the Clinton-era rules imposed no limits on the 24 hours of oral arguments allowed on both sides, Mr. McConnell condensed them into two marathon-session days, which would allow the Senate to blaze through them by Saturday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/20/us/p ... trial.html
Tomorrow we will see whether Republicans in the Senate will vote for a fair trial or will participate in Moscow Mitch's sham trial and cover up.
Will they vote for impeachment in the dead of night?
20 Jan 2020 6:55 pm
20 Jan 2020 7:23 pm
They will start caring again the next time a Democrat is in the White House.As deficits soar, Trump asks, 'Who the hell cares about the budget?'
Donald Trump delivered remarks at a private dinner with wealthy donors Friday night at Mar-a-Lago, and as the Washington Post reported, the president shared some thoughts about the nation's finances.
To those who criticized his spending and the growing national debt, Trump said: "Who the hell cares about the budget? We're going to have a country."
For most of President Barack Obama's time in office, Republicans seemed to care very much about the budget, making fears around the national debt and deficit their top talking point.
They've backed off those concerns under Trump.
The Republican's comments came just four days after the Trump administration reported that the annual budget deficit surpassed $1 trillion in 2019, despite the growing economy, and despite the fact that Trump promised voters he'd produce the opposite results.
Trump has now added $2.6 trillion to the national debt in just three years -- more than Obama added to the debt in his entire second term.
It's against this backdrop that the current president has chosen ... indifference.
And though I'm generally loath to agree with Trump, his blunt rhetorical question -- "Who the hell cares about the budget?" -- may have some merit.
Circling back to our earlier coverage, it wasn't long ago that Republicans were hair-on-fire obsessed with the deficit and the nation's multi-trillion-dollar debt.
Though the purpose of the Tea Party "movement" was always a bit murky, it was ostensibly about the right's overwhelming anxiety about the United States' fiscal imbalance.
The irony of these Republicans' concerns went largely overlooked.
After all, as a percentage of the economy, Ronald Reagan was responsible for some of the largest deficits in American history.
After the deficit disappeared entirely under Bill Clinton, George W. Bush added trillions to the debt.
It was in 2003 when then-Vice President Dick Cheney declared that "deficits don't matter."
After deficits again grew smaller during a Democratic administration -- the deficit shrank by $1 trillion over Obama's first seven years in office -- Trump took office and the budget imbalance quickly began growing once again.
About a year ago at this time, White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney -- the far-right budget chief who got involved in politics because he was determined to help balance the federal budget -- told a group of Republicans that "nobody cares" about the issue anymore.
His boss echoed the sentiment on Friday night.
20 Jan 2020 7:49 pm
Look at this lying piece of ****.
He **** blocked Bolton and everyone else from testifying in the House hearings and now he says that Democrats didn't want them?
The lying and gaslighting never **** stops.
What he said.
He **** blocked Bolton and everyone else from testifying in the House hearings and now he says that Democrats didn't want them?
The lying and gaslighting never **** stops.
What he said.
20 Jan 2020 8:23 pm
Gun owners in Virginia descended upon the capitol of Richmond on Monday to protest against proposed new firearms restrictions that include universal background checks and limits on the number of handguns that can be purchased over the span of a month.
Many of the rally goers came dressed in military camouflage, while others wore black face-covering masks that looked like the sort of garb warn by Hezbollah militants.
Many of them walked around openly carrying their AR-15-style rifles and pledged to resist any attempts to restrict their access to deadly weapons.
However, the protesters inspired a good deal of mockery for what critics described as an elaborate cosplay that’s more on par with something you’d expect to see at a Star Trek convention rather than at a serious political rally.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/emascu ... ssion=true
20 Jan 2020 8:23 pm
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