It isn't my side that has committed treason.Misty » 20 Jan 2020 4:47 pm » wrote:You must be Putin's favorite bot.
Whistleblower Was Overheard in '17 Discussing With Ally How to Remove Trump
By Paul Sperry, RealClearInvestigations
January 22, 2019
Barely two weeks after Donald Trump took office, Eric Ciaramella – the CIA analyst whose name was recently linked in a tweet by the president and mentioned by lawmakers as the anonymous “whistleblower" who touched off Trump's impeachment – was overheard in the White House discussing with another staffer how to remove the newly elected president from office, according to former colleagues.
Sources told RealClearInvestigations the staffer with whom Ciaramella was speaking was Sean Misko. Both were Obama administration holdovers working in the Trump White House on foreign policy and national security issues. And both expressed anger over Trump’s new “America First” foreign policy, a sea change from President Obama’s approach to international affairs.
“Just days after he was sworn in they were already talking about trying to get rid of him,” said a White House colleague who overheard their conversation.
“They weren’t just bent on subverting his agenda,” the former official added. “They were plotting to actually have him removed from office.”
Misko left the White House last summer to join House impeachment manager Adam Schiff’s committee, where sources say he offered “guidance” to the whistleblower, who has been officially identified only as an intelligence officer in a complaint against Trump filed under whistleblower laws. Misko then helped run the impeachment inquiry based on that complaint as a top investigator for congressional Democrats....
Two former co-workers said they overheard Ciaramella and Misko, close friends and Democrats held over from the Obama administration, discussing how to “take out,” or remove, the new president from office within days of Trump’s inauguration. These co-workers said the president’s controversial Ukraine phone call in July 2019 provided the pretext they and their Democratic allies had been looking for.
“They didn’t like his policies,” another former White House official said. "They had a political vendetta against him from Day One.”
......Two NSC co-workers told RCI that they overheard Ciaramella and Misko - who was also working at the NSC as an analyst - making anti-Trump remarks to each other while attending a staff-wide NSC meeting called by then-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, where they sat together in the south auditorium of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, part of the White House complex.
The “all hands” meeting, held about two weeks into the new administration, was attended by hundreds of NSC employees.
“They were popping off about how they were going to remove Trump from office. No joke,” said one ex-colleague, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.
A military staffer detailed to the NSC, who was seated directly in front of Ciaramella and Misko during the meeting, confirmed hearing them talk about toppling Trump during their private conversation, which the source said lasted about one minute. The crowd was preparing to get up to leave the room at the time.
Ciaramella turned to Misko and commented, ‘We need to take him out,’ ” the staffer recalled. “And Misko replied, ‘Yeah, we need to do everything we can to take out the president.’ “
Added the military detailee, who spoke on condition of anonymity: “By ‘taking him out,’ they meant removing him from office by any means necessary. They were triggered by Trump’s and Flynn’s vision for the world. This was the first ‘all hands’ [staff meeting] where they got to see Trump’s national security team, and they were huffing and puffing throughout the briefing any time Flynn said something they didn’t like about ‘America First.’ ”
He said he also overheard Ciaramella telling Misko, referring to Trump, ‘We can’t let him enact this foreign policy.’ “
Alarmed by their conversation, the military staffer immediately reported what he heard to his superiors.
“It was so shocking that they were so blatant and outspoken about their opinion,” he recalled. “They weren’t shouting it, but they didn’t seem to feel the need to hide it.”
The co-workers didn’t think much more about the incident.
“We just thought they were wacky,” the first source said. “Little did we know.”
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com ... 21701.html
Yeah? Since when has hearsay evidence EVER been permitted in a trial? Any dimwit that's ever seen a single episode of Judge Judy knows that!Misty » 21 Jan 2020 12:58 pm » wrote: You obviously haven't read the rules proposed by Moscow Mitch, or you don't understand them.
His rules say that none of the evidence collected as part the House's impeachment inquiry will be admitted automatically.
Instead, the Senate will vote later on whether to admit any documents.
That is ****, and has never been done before.
Any evidence collected by the House should be automatically admitted in the Senate trial.
Here's a hint, psycho. If the charges are not impeachable acts or serious crimes, which they are not, the Senate doesn't need any evidence.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 11:47 am » wrote:
DC sues Trump inaugural committee, alleging abuse of funds.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The District of Columbia is suing President Donald Trump's inaugural committee and two companies that control the Trump International Hotel in the nation's capital, accusing them of throwing parties for the Trump family with nonprofit funds, and overpaying for event space at the hotel.
The district's attorney general, Karl Racine, said the inaugural committee had been “blatantly and unlawfully abusing nonprofit funds to enrich the Trump family.”
The lawsuit, announced Wednesday, alleges that the committee abused nonprofit funds and coordinated with the Trump family to “grossly overpay for event space” in the hotel.
The committee has maintained that its finances were independently audited, and that all money was spent in accordance with the law.
It was the latest allegation that Trump and his family have used public and nonprofit funds spent at Trump-owned properties to enrich themselves — part of the peril of Trump not fully withdrawing from his businesses while he is president.
Trump has maintained ownership but turned the reins over to his adult sons, who have bristled at the charge that they are profiting off their father's presidency.
The suit alleges the committee coordinated with the hotel’s management and members of Trump’s family to arrange the events and that committee staffers knew they were paying prices that were “grossly above market rate" but didn't consider less expensive alternatives.
The committee raised an unprecedented $107 million to host events celebrating Trump’s inauguration in January 2017.
But the committee's spending has drawn mounting scrutiny.
“District law requires nonprofits to use their funds for their stated public purpose, not to benefit private individuals or companies,” Racine said.
“In this case, we are seeking to recover the nonprofit funds that were improperly funneled directly to the Trump family business.”
You are devastatingly stupid.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 11:47 am » wrote:Here's a hint, psycho. If the charges are not impeachable acts or serious crimes, which they are not, the Senate doesn't need any evidence.Misty » 21 Jan 2020 12:58 pm » wrote:You obviously haven't read the rules proposed by Moscow Mitch, or you don't understand them.
His rules say that none of the evidence collected as part the House's impeachment inquiry will be admitted automatically.
Instead, the Senate will vote later on whether to admit any documents.
That is ****, and has never been done before.
Any evidence collected by the House should be automatically admitted in the Senate trial.
They can simply throw the Clown Show case out for lack of merit.
Are we having fun yet?
The IMPOTUS has lied over 16,000 times in three years.Zeets2 » 22 Jan 2020 9:42 am » wrote:Yeah? Since when has hearsay evidence EVER been permitted in a trial? Any dimwit that's ever seen a single episode of Judge Judy knows that!Misty » 21 Jan 2020 12:58 pm » wrote:You obviously haven't read the rules proposed by Moscow Mitch, or you don't understand them.
His rules say that none of the evidence collected as part the House's impeachment inquiry will be admitted automatically.
Instead, the Senate will vote later on whether to admit any documents.
That is ****, and has never been done before.
Any evidence collected by the House should be automatically admitted in the Senate trial.
Democrats had ONE FACT WITNESS, and he is ON RECORD ADMITTING being told by the President that he wanted "NOTHING! NO QUID PRO QUO!!!" from Ukraine!
AND THAT'S ALL YOU IDIOTS HAVE GOT!!!

The only clowns are on your side.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 9:17 am » wrote:Misty » 21 Jan 2020 6:18 pm » wrote:Schiff is laying out a great case, and the Republicans have no defense.![]()
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If it wasn't so damaging to the country, this Clown Show would be comedy gold.
Misty » 22 Jan 2020 2:02 pm » wrote: The IMPOTUS has lied over 16,000 times in three years.
He actually had to write that lie down, so he could remember it when talking to the press.
IS THAT A CRIME? Where is the evidence that this was a lie?
That call between the Sniffles and Gordon Sondland just happened to take place the same day the whistle-blower complaint was delivered to the House Intelligence Committee.
IS THAT A CRIME?
So Sniffles was just trying to cover his ***.
Where's the evidence of when this was written down? Is it a crime to write down your notes?
The bulk of Sondland's testimony was about how Sniffles had expressly ordered him to work with his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to dredge up unflattering information on his political rivals.
WAS HE ORDERED TO COMMIT A CRIME? Isn't the President able to order a subordinate to work with anyone he wants? Where's the evidence that says Trump ordered him to "dredge up unflattering information on his political rivals" as you claim? Sondland DID NOT testify to that, did he?
And don't forget what Sondland said: “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.”
What were Trump's exact words to Sondland again? Go read his notes if you're unsure!
You guys should really do your homework, before you speak.
No need to do anything other than to point out the fact that you idiots have ZERO EVIDENCE THAT ANY CRIME WAS COMMITTED!!! Can you deny that fact?
Which quote?Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 6:55 am » wrote:I saw Schiff's statement, and he absolutely manufactured the quote.Misty » 21 Jan 2020 8:19 pm » wrote:They lied.Trump’s lawyers began the impeachment trial with a blizzard of lies......
Falsehood No. 2: Schiff “manufactured” Trump’s comments during the July Zelensky call.
What else is new?
That's what they do.
Look who's talking about credible sources.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 6:55 am » wrote:If Vox can't handle something so obvious, they aren't a credible source.
But you don't want credible sources. You want anti-Trump lies and propaganda.
Cipollone said, “When Mr. Schiff saw that his allegations [about Trump abusing his power] were false, and he knew it anyway, what did he do?Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 6:55 am » wrote: Mr. Schiff, California Democrat, fabricated quotes by saying Mr. Trump threatened to tell Mr. Zelensky “seven more times” and you “better listen good” on helping an election investigation. And Mr. Schiff said the president pressed Mr. Zelensky to “make up dirt” on former Vice President Joe Biden, who is a Democratic presidential nominee and potential Trump foe.
Neither of those remarks is contained in the transcription.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... mp-quotes/
Please spare me that "is that a crime?" ****.Zeets2 » 22 Jan 2020 2:35 pm » wrote:Misty » 22 Jan 2020 2:02 pm » wrote: The IMPOTUS has lied over 16,000 times in three years.
He actually had to write that lie down, so he could remember it when talking to the press.
IS THAT A CRIME? Where is the evidence that this was a lie?
That call between the Sniffles and Gordon Sondland just happened to take place the same day the whistle-blower complaint was delivered to the House Intelligence Committee.
IS THAT A CRIME?
So Sniffles was just trying to cover his ***.
Where's the evidence of when this was written down? Is it a crime to write down your notes?
The bulk of Sondland's testimony was about how Sniffles had expressly ordered him to work with his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to dredge up unflattering information on his political rivals.
WAS HE ORDERED TO COMMIT A CRIME? Isn't the President able to order a subordinate to work with anyone he wants? Where's the evidence that says Trump ordered him to "dredge up unflattering information on his political rivals" as you claim? Sondland DID NOT testify to that, did he?
And don't forget what Sondland said: “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.”
What were Trump's exact words to Sondland again? Go read his notes if you're unsure!
You guys should really do your homework, before you speak.
No need to do anything other than to point out the fact that you idiots have ZERO EVIDENCE THAT ANY CRIME WAS COMMITTED!!! Can you deny that fact?
You really love to throw the word treason around don'tcha Precious?Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 8:32 am » wrote:It isn't my side that has committed treason.Misty » 20 Jan 2020 4:47 pm » wrote:You must be Putin's favorite bot.
And you got that straight from one of your wingnut sources, right?Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 8:32 am » wrote:Remember that thread you started about the supposed whistleblower? There was no whistleblower.
There was a dishonest, traitorous Deep State hack.
That's actual journalism like I'm Queen Elizabeth.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 8:32 am » wrote:This is actual journalism, psycho, unlike the anti-Trump **** that shows up in the corrupt liberal MSM.

This is why I have Zeets on ignore. He is SO STUPID he repeats nonsense talking points that are too stupid for words and that are ridiculous. Like since when is hearsay used in a trail. There hasnt BEEN a trail yet and YES OBVIOUSLY hearsay is DEFINITLY used in INVESTIGATIONS this is the same MORON who said it was the Houses obligation to do the INVESTIGATION now trying to use the standard of a TRIAL for evidence when it was the INVESTIGATIVE STAGE.Misty » 22 Jan 2020 2:02 pm » wrote: The IMPOTUS has lied over 16,000 times in three years.
He actually had to write that lie down, so he could remember it when talking to the press.
That call between the Sniffles and Gordon Sondland just happened to take place the same day the whistle-blower complaint was delivered to the House Intelligence Committee.
So Sniffles was just trying to cover his ***.
The bulk of Sondland's testimony was about how Sniffles had expressly ordered him to work with his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to dredge up unflattering information on his political rivals.
And don't forget what Sondland said: “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.”
You guys should really do your homework, before you speak.
Good job punking H8erMisty » 22 Jan 2020 3:08 pm » wrote: You really love to throw the word treason around don'tcha Precious?
And you got that straight from one of your wingnut sources, right?
That's actual journalism like I'm Queen Elizabeth.
According to former colleagues, the whistlebower was overheard saying something in 2017.
And sources told RealClearInvestigations that both the staffer with whom the whistleblower was speaking and the whistlebower himself were Obama administration holdovers working in the Trump White House.
When exactly did you guys start believing anonymous sources?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-clear-investigations/
I've noticed that too.solon » 22 Jan 2020 3:22 pm » wrote:This is why I have Zeets on ignore. He is SO STUPID he repeats nonsense talking points that are too stupid for words and that are ridiculous.Misty » 22 Jan 2020 2:02 pm » wrote:You guys should really do your homework, before you speak.
Again with that same old ****.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:27 pm » wrote:Wow, very, very impressive.Misty » 22 Jan 2020 2:02 pm » wrote:That call between the Sniffles and Gordon Sondland just happened to take place the same day the whistle-blower complaint was delivered to the House Intelligence Committee.
So Sniffles was just trying to cover his ***.
The bulk of Sondland's testimony was about how Sniffles had expressly ordered him to work with his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani to dredge up unflattering information on his political rivals.
And don't forget what Sondland said: “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.”
You guys should really do your homework, before you speak.
Except to this day, no crimes.
No impeachable acts.
Rotsa ruck with the Clown Show.
Misty » 22 Jan 2020 2:53 pm » wrote:
Please spare me that "is that a crime?" ****.
Well, it just appears to me from what I've seen and heard over the last 3 years of continued Trump attacks and non-stop investigations that we currently have the most squeaky-clean President in history currently in office! Hell, I don't see so much as a parking ticket that you have against him that has been able to stand up on its own without the left-wing Hate Trump media claiming he's worse than Jack the Ripper! So go ahead and go through your pointless exercise if you must and have a ball, knowing full well Trump will be found innocent, and you'll have wasted over 3 years, proving to the American voter that you Democrat Reps and Senators don't belong in office!
We already know that you Trump sychophants will hide behind that crap, while you accept any unethical thing he does.
And when we show that something he did WAS a crime, you deny that it's a crime, so it's useless to argue with you.
Guess you won't know that until you actually put forward something that's really a crime! When you do, ask me again!
Here's a hint Zeets.
A president does not need to violate any specific statute to be impeached (although Trump has violated several).
(But none you can identify) That's very true! So which one rises to the level of "high crimes or misdemeanors"? Because I've yet to see that either!
There were no statutes on the books when the Constitution was written.
In fact there weren't even any books.
I always find it amusing that you Trump supporters act as if a man who has told over 16,000 lies in the last three years alone has any sort of credibility.
That's because you act as though you've got the list of them and consider any minor or insignificant exaggeration as a bald faced crime WHEN THEY MEAN NOTHING!
Want to know what I find credible about our fine President? Here you go!:
"I will build a border wall"
"I will open up Anwar and the Keystone and Dakota pipelines"
"I will make the US energy independent"
"I will get us out of the Iranian Nuke Deal"
"I will get us out of the Paris Climate Accord"
"I will make better trade deals with China"
"I will end NAFTA and get us a better deal with Mexico and Canada"
"I will lower your taxes"
"I will create millions of new jobs"
"I will bring manufacturing jobs back to this country"
"I will suspend immigration from terrorist nations"
"I will repeal Obamacare"
"I will cut business taxes to spur economic growth"
"I will cut thousands of useless regulations"
"I will force other nations to pay their fair share into NATO"
"I will rebuild the US Military"
"I will take no salary as President"
"I will lower the unemployment rates"
"I WILL MAKE YOU PROUD OF YOUR COUNTRY AGAIN!"
And he has done all those things, and you libs can't stand it!
ROFL......I love the way you threw in the fact that your new hero Dershowitz is a Liberal who voted for Hillary, like that makes him more believable.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:23 pm » wrote:Well gosh, who should we believe, the many legal experts Fox and other conservatives sources who support my claim, including liberal Alan Dershowitz who voted for Hillary Clinton?Misty » 22 Jan 2020 1:50 pm » wrote:You are devastatingly stupid.THE GAPING ASSHOLE SAID:
Here's a hint, psycho. If the charges are not impeachable acts or serious crimes, which they are not, the Senate doesn't need any evidence.
They can simply throw the Clown Show case out for lack of merit.
Or the board;s premier psychopathic liar, an ex-post office employee?![]()
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Tough choice as always.
You're so desperate for allies, you look for babbling lunatics like Colon?Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:32 pm » wrote:
Hillary voter....Alan Dershowitz.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:35 pm » wrote:So you're accusing every legal expert who agrees with that to be full of ****?Misty » 22 Jan 2020 3:30 pm » wrote:Again with that same old ****.THE GAPING ASSHOLE SAID: Wow, very, very impressive.
Except to this day, no crimes.
No impeachable acts.
Rotsa ruck with the Clown Show.
You know what should be a crime Precious?
You having access to the internet and a keyboard.
Many, many, many such opinions have been expressed, including Hillary voter Alan Dershowiitz.
The projection in that statement is off the **** charts.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:35 pm » wrote: Without your pre-written Talking Point Lies, you suck at lying.
Are you really so stupid that you think that the USPS work force is only made up of window clerks?Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:49 pm » wrote:No, I don't hold most government workers in high regard. I've watched almost every postal worker work in near slow motion for decades. W-a-a-l-k to the back. W-a-a-a-l-k back to the counter.Misty » 22 Jan 2020 3:42 pm » wrote:ROFL......I love the way you threw in the fact that your new hero Dershowitz is a Liberal who voted for Hillary, like that makes him more believable.
And the fact that I am a retired USPS worker, like that's some sort of an insult.
W-a-a-a-l-k to drop a package in the bin, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Oh spare me. I've heard that **** story from you a hundred times now.Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:49 pm » wrote:I once had a door locked in my face with five hugely important overnight packages in my hand, at least three minutes before closing.