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Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:04 pm » wrote:Real Clear Politics and its associated websites are very highly credible.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:09 pm » wrote:

Misty » 22 Jan 2020 3:50 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:35 pm » wrote:Many, many, many such opinions have been expressed, including Hillary voter Alan Dershowiitz.

Hillary voter....Alan Dershowitz.

What's so funny, psycho? He is a liberal Democrat.
A rare honest one.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:09 pm » wrote:I've never even heard of (George) Conway before he started expressing lunatic opinions about Trump. Who the **** is he to the overall conservative movement?

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:17 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:32 pm » wrote:You're so desperate for allies, you look for babbling lunatics like Colon?

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:32 pm » wrote:

Misty: Clem (Termin8tor) actually said the other day that Trump might tell a fib once in a while.
A fib.

He's told 17 trillion lies and mis-statement since taking office, wackjob.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:32 pm » wrote:No, really, I read that in the corrupt liberal MSM, so it must be every bit as true as three years of **** about the Russian Collusion Hoax.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:32 pm » wrote:Except anyone with eyes and integrity would admit he's keeping almost all his campaign promises, unlike Clinton and Obama who broke most of theirs.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:30 pm » wrote:

Misty » 22 Jan 2020 4:21 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:09 pm » wrote:What's so funny, psycho? He is a liberal Democrat.
A rare honest one.

What's so funny is that everyone you agree with is honest, and everyone you disagree with is not.

Not at all.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:30 pm » wrote:....since when are National Review, the American Spectator, Powerline, American Thinker, WSJ, etc. "wingnut?" Ever since you can't refute their evidence.
They are all mainstream conservative sources of very high credibility.

Zeets2 » 22 Jan 2020 3:34 pm » wrote:Well, it just appears to me from what I've seen and heard over the last 3 years of continued Trump attacks and non-stop investigations that we currently have the most squeaky-clean President in history currently in office!

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:37 pm » wrote:

Misty » 22 Jan 2020 4:21 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:09 pm » wrote:I've never even heard of Conway before he started expressing lunatic opinions about Trump. Who the **** is he to the overall conservative movement?

Really? You don't know?
He was one of the attorneys who represented Paula Jones in her lawsuit against Bill Clinton.
And he worked closely with Ann Coulter and Matt Drudge.

Again, I've never, EVER seen one single thing Conway has written carried in a conservative source.
Funny how he suddenly shows up to attack Trump in deranged manner, allied with Beltway hack Steve Schmidt and a couple other Beltway operatives I've barely heard of.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:37 pm » wrote:Savaging the most successful, most conservative president since the great Ronald Reagan. Sure, right.

George Thomas Conway III (born September 2, 1963) is an American attorney.

He was on the short list of candidates considered by President Trump for U.S. Solicitor General prior to the nomination in March 2017 of Noel Francisco, he was subsequently considered for a post as an Assistant Attorney General heading the Civil Division at the U.S. Department of Justice, but withdrew himself from consideration.

Conway argued the 2010 case Morrison v. National Australia Bank before the U.S. Supreme Court. The Court unanimously ruled in favor of Conway's client and the opinion was authored by Justice Antonin Scalia.

In 1984, Conway was graduated from Harvard College magna cum laude with an A.B. degree in biochemistry.

Three years later, he obtained his J.D. degree from Yale Law School, where he was an editor of the Yale Law Journal and president of the school's chapter of the Federalist Society.

In 1987 and 1988, Conway served as a law clerk to Judge Ralph K. Winter Jr. of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

In September 1988, Conway joined the law firm of Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz where he is of counsel in the Litigation Department.

His practice focuses on litigation involving securities, mergers and acquisitions, contracts, and antitrust.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_T._Conway_III

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 4:37 pm » wrote:He's either a wackjob or a dishonest, corrupt hack.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:32 pm » wrote:.......he's keeping almost all his campaign promises.....

After a day of hobnobbing with billionaires in Davos, President Trump publicly revealed that cuts to earned Medicare and Social Security benefits will be on the table as soon as the end of this year.

In the context of the 2020 election, Linda Benesch, communications director for the advocacy group Social Security Works, said Donald Trump ran on a promise to protect Social Security in 2016, "but that was a lie."

Since taking office, especially with the help of top aide Mick Mulvaney, the Trump administration has repeatedly signaled its desire to cut funding for the key programs.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/ ... cut-social

Trump Is Shooting the Constitution in the Middle of Pennsylvania Avenue

Three years ago this week, Donald Trump swore an oath that he would “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and…to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” That should have counted for something.

It did not.

What has counted for Trump—what still counts for him—is not the oath he swore but something he said a year before that, on January 23, 2016, on a swing through Iowa, when the Republican nominee tried to explain the enthusiasm of his swelling base of supporters.

“You know what else they say about my people? The polls, they say I have the most loyal people,” he said.

“Did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters, okay? It’s like incredible.”

The message was blunt.

Trump counted on the loyalty of his partisan supporters to see him through that year’s caucuses and primaries.

While he might not win everything, he would defeat abler and more experienced Republicans and secure his new party’s nomination.

That made him a candidate without boundaries. When he claimed the presidency, he was determined to operate as a president without bounds.

Now, as he faces a Senate impeachment trial. Trump is sticking to his chosen course.

He casually rejects the basic premises of a Constitution that few believe he has bothered to read—and that no one seriously suggests he understands.

This willful rejection of his oath of office was made agonizingly clear on Wednesday, just hours after Senate Republicans blocked efforts by Democratic impeachment managers to call witnesses to Trump’s wrongdoing and to provide a full accounting of the evidence against the president.

Mocking his inquisitors from afar, Trump announced at a press conference in Davos, Switzerland, that his administration had successfully withheld materials that were required to weigh the question of whether he should be removed from office.

“We’re doing very well. I got to watch enough,” Trump said of the Senate trial as it had begun to unfold.

“I thought our team did a very good job, but honestly, we have all the material.

They don’t have the material.”

That obvious reference to the refusal of his administration to cooperate with requests for documents regarding the impeachment inquiry was an open admission by the president that he was subverting the system of checks and balances as outlined in the Constitution.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, the California Democrat who has emerged as the lead impeachment manager, pointed out Wednesday that the president had just “bragged that he thought things were going well because they had all the materials.

Well, indeed they do have the material—hidden from the American people. That is nothing to brag about.”

Representative Val Demings, a Florida Democrat who serves on the House Intelligence and Judiciary committees and is also an impeachment manager, was blunter.

“The second article of impeachment was for obstruction of Congress: covering up witnesses and documents from the American people,” she declared.

“This morning the President not only confessed to it, he bragged about it.”

Trump is aggressively rejecting the basic premise of American governance: that separate branches of government exist for the purpose of preventing abuses of power.

By refusing to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry, the president is obviously engaging in obstruction of Congress.

By bragging about this refusal to cooperate, however, he is doing something more.

He is effectively shooting the Constitution in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue.

Trump is again presuming that his “most loyal voters”—this time in the Senate Republican Caucus—will stick with him.

He is so confident that he is boasting about his stark abuses of power.

He is betting that he will emerge unscathed even after Schiff, in a remarkable Wednesday afternoon presentation to the Senate, recalled Alexander Hamilton’s prescient warning about the danger of an American leader “unprincipled in his private life” and “despotic in ordinary demeanor.”

On Wednesday, Schiff explained how Trump had abused his position in pressuring Ukraine to open an inquiry into a political rival, and the representative told the Senate, “When the president’s scheme was exposed and the House of Representatives properly performed its constitutional responsibility to investigate the matter, President Trump used the same unrivaled authority at his disposal as commander-in-chief to coverup his wrongdoing.”

Schiff described the ways in which the president “in unprecedented fashion, ordered the entire executive branch of the United States of America to categorically refuse and completely obstruct the House’s impeachment investigation.”

“In obstructing the investigation into his own wrongdoing, the president has shown that he believes he is above the law, and scornful of restraint,” said Schiff, who argued that:

Such a wholesale obstruction of congressional impeachment has never before occurred in our democracy, and it represents one of the most blatant efforts at a coverup in history.

If not remedied by his conviction in the Senate and removal from office, President Trump’s abuse of his office and obstruction of Congress will permanently alter the balance of power among the branches of government—inviting future presidents to operate as if they are also beyond the reach of accountability, congressional oversight and the law.

This is what is at stake.

The managers of this impeachment trial have outlined the threat.

But is was Donald Trump who confirmed it on Wednesday, with an admission that he is the prime conspirator in a project to obstruct the Congress that, as Adam Schiff necessarily and appropriately warned on Wednesday, “strikes at the heart of our Constitution.”

Misty » 22 Jan 2020 8:23 pm » wrote:























And on and on and on it went.

Termin8tor » 23 Jan 2020 6:51 am » wrote:I'm quitting Republican party!
Cages, cages!
Oh my, so unfair!
Cult, cult!
And on and on and on it went.
So by how big a landslide will Trump lose, psycho?
You actually think you fool anyone with that propaganda?
The polls have turned against impeachment, and Repub politicians can hardly stop smiling at how the Clown Show has collapsed.
While Dems look grim and miserable.
See you in November, wackjob.

Termin8tor » 23 Jan 2020 6:51 am » wrote:The polls have turned against impeachment.......

(Reuters) - A bipartisan majority of Americans want to see new witnesses testify in the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump, and the public appears to be largely following the proceedings even after a bruising congressional inquiry that lasted several months, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling released Wednesday.

The poll, which ran from Jan. 17-22, also showed that U.S. public opinion has moved little since the U.S. House of Representatives impeached Trump in mid-December.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1ZL33O

A majority of Americans say that it isn't likely that anything revealed or said during the upcoming impeachment trial of President Trump would change their minds about whether Trump had committed a crime.

In a poll from The Associated Press and the NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, three quarters of Americans said that the trial is not likely at all or not very likely to change their views of the president's alleged criminal activity.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... heir-minds

Termin8tor » 23 Jan 2020 6:58 am » wrote:

Misty » 22 Jan 2020 7:10 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2020 3:32 pm wrote:.......he's keeping almost all his campaign promises.....

When did he promise to cut entitlements?

Oh my gosh, "at some point?"

Misty » 21 Jan 2020 12:58 pm » wrote: You obviously haven't read the rules proposed by Moscow Mitch, or you don't understand them.

His rules say that none of the evidence collected as part the House's impeachment inquiry will be admitted automatically.

Instead, the Senate will vote later on whether to admit any documents.

That is ****, and has never been done before.
Any evidence collected by the House should be automatically admitted in the Senate trial.

Termin8tor » 23 Jan 2020 7:57 am » wrote:

Misty: Trump Campaign Promises Not Kept.

Trump’s Latest Manufacturing Jobs Achievements Should Terrify 2020 Democrats
Justin Haskins
The most recently available jobs data show since January 2017, Trump’s first month in office, more than 480,000 manufacturing jobs have been added, substantially more than anything achieved by the Obama or Bush administrations, both whom watched as huge numbers of manufacturing jobs left the country.

Misty » 21 Jan 2020 1:20 pm » wrote: Once again you ignore the fact that Sniffles has NEVER invoked Executive Privilege.

The Trump White House has a long record of using claims of executive privilege to evade congressional questioning. Most recently, on Oct. 14, the administration attempted to use executive privilege to limit the testimony of Fiona Hill, former Trump aide on European and Russian affairs, who was called to speak with House impeachment investigators about the president’s dealings with Ukraine.

Misty » 21 Jan 2020 2:40 pm » wrote: Clem graduated from the Joseph Goebbels School of Propaganda.