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Zeets2 » 08 Feb 2020 7:35 am » wrote:

Misty » 07 Feb 2020 4:12 pm » wrote:Fired and escorted from the WH.
For what?
What was his crime?
Telling the truth?
Under oath, something that Sniffles and his cohorts refused to do?
And WTF did his brother do?
What a contemptable piece of ****.
But Susan Collins is concerned, so it's okay.

Very simple! He was fired for insubordination of the Commander-in-Chief, HIS BOSS! He served at the pleasure of the President, and when that pleasure ends, so does his employment in that plum position! He did not get court-martialed or reduced in rank and he still has his job in the military. It was obvious he did not share the same foreign policy agenda as the President, and THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT POSITION! It is also quite likely that he leaked information and confidential details of his meetings with the President.

Zeets2 » 08 Feb 2020 7:51 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 08 Feb 2020 7:36 am » wrote:Very well said, all of which little Miss Marxist will ignore as she bleats in fake outrage.

Oh, I think the outrage is real, but it comes not from anything Trump does, but in their own inability to convince the rest of the country that it is really anything outrageous! Look, they've probably had their worst week since Trump got elected! I'm actually quite surprised we haven't seen liberal lemmings jumping off cliffs! But I certainly see that coming in November!

Misty » 08 Feb 2020 9:30 am » wrote:

Zeets2 » 08 Feb 2020 7:26 am » wrote:

Misty » 07 Feb 2020 2:34 pm » wrote:If only you had any.
A 'tiny smattering' of 'mildly' offensive words spread over 'many, many, many years?'
Your weasel words are getting more creative Precious.
I doubt those words were only 'mildly offensive' to people of color.
And spreading them over 'many, many, many years' doesn't dilute their offensiveness.
Rush. Hands down.
You obviously don't even understand what the word racist means.

I've listened to Rush for 30 years and I've NEVER heard him utter a racist word!

Maybe you should have your ears checked.
First of all, he's a Birther.
That alone is enough proof for me.

But there's lots more.

Trump just gave Rush Limbaugh the country's highest civilian honor. Here are some of the racist, misogynist, and all-around awful things he's said.

Zeets2 » 08 Feb 2020 7:26 am » wrote:Can YOU point to a SINGLE EXAMPLE of Rush's racism that YOU PERSONALLY have ever heard?

Maybe you forgot about this:

https://youtu.be/pZyPaivOARM

The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education. “He has no past, he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist,” reads the description on Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro .

Misty » 08 Feb 2020 9:52 am » wrote:

Zeets2 » 08 Feb 2020 7:51 am » wrote:

Termin8tor » 08 Feb 2020 7:36 am » wrote:Very well said, all of which little Miss Marxist will ignore as she bleats in fake outrage.

Oh, I think the outrage is real, but it comes not from anything Trump does, but in their own inability to convince the rest of the country that it is really anything outrageous! Look, they've probably had their worst week since Trump got elected! I'm actually quite surprised we haven't seen liberal lemmings jumping off cliffs! But I certainly see that coming in November!

You Trump supporters keep deluding yourselves into thinking that you are the majority of the country.

He only won by about 77,000 votes in three states, and he has lost a lot of independents and suburban women since then.
He sure as hell has not increased his voter base.

Providing that the Democrats don't screw it up (which is always a good possibility) and voter turnout is high, he's going to have a rough go of it this time, especially if he keeps acting the way he does.

In this economy his approval rating should be in the 60's, but he has never cracked 50%.

Termin8tor » 25 Mar 2019 8:19 am » wrote:Devin Nunes is a true American hero, the kind of man our Founders believed were at the heart of what would keep this country great and safe.

When most of the elites either stood aside or chose the wrong side.

Bill Kristol, for example. Welcome to irrlevance, little bill. Good luck in your appearances with rappers and inner city poets on MS-LSD.

TRUMP’S TRIBUTE TO DEVIN NUNES
President Trump paid tribute to supporters including Rep. Devin Nunes at his post-acquittal event in the East Room of the White House this past Thursday. We have written about Rep. Nunes’s role in the unraveling the Russia hoax many times, most recently in several posts on Lee Smith’s book The Plot Against the President: The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in U.S. History. Among my several book-related posts is my own review.

Noting President Trump’s tribute to Nunes on Twitter, Mollie Hemingway comments: “Devin Nunes is an *actual* profile in courage. This man took on nearly everyone in DC, including many powerful people in his own party, to fight to bring Americans the truth about the Russia collusion hoax and FISA abuse. Completely vindicated and our media LOATHE him for it.”

Quotable quote (President Trump): “He knew something was wrong.”
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/ ... -nunes.php

You obviously don't even understand what the word racist means.

Misty » 07 Feb 2020 2:34 pm » wrote:

Termin8tor » 07 Feb 2020 1:50 pm wrote:
What's worse, a tiny smattering of mildly offensive words spread over many, many, many years?

Or decades of destroying the lives of many millions of minority Americans with dangerous, jobless neighborhoods, mostly rotten schools, corrupt political machines, social collapse and general hopelessness?

Rush. Hands down.

You obviously don't even understand what the word racist means.

Termin8tor » 08 Feb 2020 11:06 am » wrote:
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Rock » 08 Feb 2020 9:53 am » wrote:
Obama the Magic Negro was the title of an LA Times article written by an African American. The song is a parody of that article sung by Al Sharpton (Paul Shanklin).

https://www.latimes.com/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19-story.html

Obama the ‘Magic Negro’

Trump just gave Rush Limbaugh the country's highest civilian honor. Here are some of the racist, misogynist, and all-around awful things he's said.
He argued that white people shouldn't be blamed for slavery. "It's preposterous that Caucasians are blamed for slavery when they've done more to end it than any other race," he said in 2013, adding that "if any race of people should not have guilt about slavery, it's Caucasians."
So, just maybe you should read the precise Rush statement when it IS NOT taken out of context, and then please tell me if you STILL think this statement proves he is a racist:
"This white guilt, it’s time for all this white guilt to end... If any race of people should not have guilt about slavery, it’s Caucasians. The white race has probably had fewer slaves and for a briefer period of time than any other in the history of the world... Now, sadly, we’re not talking about the rest of the world when the civil rights coalition gets ginned up. They’re talking about America and slavery and that can’t be denied, it happened. But, compared to the kind of slavery that still exists in the rest of the world and has existed, by no means was it anywhere near the worst. [/color]No other race has ever fought a war for the purpose of ending slavery, which we did... Nearly 600,000 people killed in the Civil War. It’s preposterous that Caucasians are blamed for slavery when they've done more to end it than any other race, and within the bounds of the Constitution to boot. And yet white guilt is still one of the dominating factors in American politics. It’s exploited, it’s played upon, it is promoted, used, and it’s unnecessary."

The fact is, Misty, I REFUSE to accept even a shred of guilt as a white person for slavery in America! My ancestors (and possibly yours as well) lived in Europe while slavery was taking place in America, and emigrated to the US after WW1.
. My father, born in Italy in 1925 came here at the age of 2. I have about as much responsibility for US slavery as I have for the rise of Mussolini in Italy, which is ZERO! Frankly, if YOU want to accept a level of white guilt on YOUR shoulders, you go right ahead but leave me out of it! The only thing I ever did for black people was to GIVE THEM JOBS IN MY COMPANY!

He called the Georgetown Law student Susan Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute" in 2012 when she argued before Congress for contraceptive coverage under the Affordable Care Act. The comments earned a direct rebuke from President Barack Obama, who said that "all decent folks can agree" that the remarks "don't have any place in the public discourse."
Certainly nothing racist about that, don't you agree? Rush made those statements after Sandra Fluke DEMANDED that contraceptives be given to her for free, DESPITE her own personal family wealth, which paid for her college at Cornell University, then appeared before Congress to fight against Republicans who didn't believe an employer should be forced to include free contraceptives in the healthcare plan they provided for their employees if it was against their religious beliefs! Here is the entire context:
What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke [sic] who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex—what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex.

He was forced to resign from ESPN in 2003 after he said the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb got undeserved praise because "the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."
Nothing untrue about that statement, but what was racist about it? Rush was fired from that position BECAUSE IT WASN'T POLITICALLY CORRECT to state the fact that was well-known at that time! The NFL was under attack at that time because the prestigious position of quarterback was rarely given to blacks, and it was necessary to end that segregation as quickly as possible. Consequently, he was given a great deal of undue praise and precious little criticism throughout his career.

He mocked the actor Michael J. Fox, who has Parkinson's disease, in 2006. Commenting on a video Fox appeared in, Limbaugh said, "Either he didn't take his medication, or he's acting."
Again, certainly nothing racist about his comments, which were made in reference to a political commercial made by Micheal J. Fox where he clearly exaggerated his affliction in order to gain sympathy. Watch the commercial yourself here and tell me that you don't believe Rush's critique was accurate:
https://youtu.be/a9WB_PXjTBo

The Obamas were a favorite target. In 2008, Limbaugh infamously compared Barack Obama to a cartoon monkey, and he regularly commented on Michelle Obama's body, referring to her as "Moochelle Obama" and "Michelle, my butt."
Rush NEVER called Obama a "cartoon monkey"! This was something a caller stated about how her daughter had said Obama reminded her of Curious George. Rush laughed at that, although admitting that, not having children, he didn't know who Curious George was. In any event, Rush apologized to Obama for his misunderstanding. Not quite the evil story you were led to believe, was it?
Rush's regular reference to Michelle Obama as Moochelle began with the side by side speech by Obama stating how his taxation policies would require EVERYONE including himself to cut back their spending, while interlaced with the report of Michelle's wildly extravagant vacation report as the costly details were revealed, not from him, but from the news reports. And he NEVER referred to her as Michelle, my butt! That was yet another episode he related where Michelle appeared as a guest of Jimmy Fallon, and the band played the song, "Lyin' *** Bitch" as she entered the stage.
In 1988 he called Amy Carter "the most unattractive presidential daughter in the history of the country," and in the early 1990s he called Chelsea Clinton the "White House dog."
Again, not true. Rust was doing a sequence as HW Bush was leaving the White House and the Clinton family was moving in. "Out" he said was Millie the dog, and asked the crew if they had a picture of the White House dog. The crew, expecting the next "in" was to be Chelsea Clinton put up her picture by mistake, for which Rush apologized profusely just as he did for comparing Chelsea with Margaret Truman, another unattractive presidential daughter. Kind of rude? Yes. But racist? Nope! Not in the slightest!
He's repeatedly joked that Hillary Clinton castrates men and has a "testicle lockbox" and said in 2009 that she didn't become a US Marine because "they didn't have uniforms or boots big enough to fit that butt and those ankles."
So where's the racism there? After Monica Lewinsky, it was certainly fitting to describe the wife of the Molester-in-Chief exactly as he did! And his reference to her being unable to join the Marines was in response to her repeated lies, claiming she tried to join the Marines but was rejected. The moral being, you don't get a sympathetic voice standing up for you when you tell repeated lies!

That about cover it?

Trump's Acquittal Shows The GOP Senate Acts Like A Cult



President Donald Trump stood in front of a microphone Thursday, gloating about his impeachment trial acquittal and showering his biggest advocates with praise.

After entering the White House East Room to the tune of “Hail to the Chief,” he called Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) an “incredible guy,” told Sen. Mike Braun (R-Ind.) he did a “great job” and led a standing ovation for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

Trump had good reason to dole out the back slaps.

Since he was charged in December with pressuring Ukraine to help sabotage his political rivals and blocking the House’s attempt to investigate the issue, Republican senators have rallied around him like a fortress wall.

They blocked witnesses from testifying at the Senate trial and used lies, conspiracy theories and acrobatic logic to try to prove his innocence.

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), the only Republican in the Senate to vote for Trump’s removal from office, has been skewered by the president and some members of the GOP over the past few days.

On Friday, Trump dismissed two House impeachment witnesses, saying he was “not happy” with them.

And though this behavior might seem like dirty politics as usual, psychologists and professors say the extreme measures Republicans took to defend Trump resemble a more sinister phenomenon: the mentality of cult members.

“They’ve just refused to entertain any ideas that go against their leader,” said Janja Lalich, a sociology professor at California State University, Chico, who studies cults and extremist groups.

“That kind of closed-mindedness is just so typical of cult members.”

Many experts and politicians have made the comparison between Trumpism and cults.

Lev Parnas, an associate of Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, said there was a “cult-like” atmosphere around the president, as did Anthony Scaramucci, Trump’s former communications director.

Joe Walsh, the former Illinois congressman who launched a failed bid to challenge Trump’s nomination, said point-blank:

“My Republican Party isn’t a party. It’s a cult.”

Though some professors who study groups think this description is overly simplistic, psychology experts say Trump’s narcissistic qualities, us-vs.-them mentality and lead-by-fear approach is straight from the textbook of history’s most notorious cults.

Republican senators were scared that if they voted to convict Trump of the impeachment charges, he would attack them with nasty nicknames and launch campaigns to discredit them, according to Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), who wrote an op-ed for The New York Times.

And they have good reason to worry.

In his speech Thursday, Trump referred to the Democrats who tried to remove him from office as “dirty cops,” “leakers” and “liars.”

He insulted Romney, saying the senator failed “so badly when running for president,” and he tweeted a video that called him a “Democrat secret asset.”

“They’re afraid to get on his bad side,” said Lalich of Republican senators.

“That very much parallels what we see in cults where people are terrified of, you know, being caught out in any kind of expression of doubt or mistrust of the leader.”

Of course, it’s normal for party members to try and keep their leader in power.

The political futures of many Republicans are tied to Trump and they will do whatever it takes to protect their careers, said Timothy Miller, a religious studies professor at the University of Kansas who studies group-think.

He points out that during President Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial, no Democrats voted against the president.

But there are some key differences as to how senators handled the two impeachments.

Democrats didn’t deny what Clinton had done ― they argued that his affair with Monica Lewinsky didn’t merit being kicked out of the White House and proposed that he should instead be censured.

While some Republicans have acknowledged, in the face of overwhelming evidence, that Trump is guilty of offering the Ukrainian government a quid pro quo to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, others have denied that reality.

Before the trial even started, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said he had already decided the president was not guilty: “I’m not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here,” he told CNN.

Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-Ariz.) denied that Trump asked the Ukrainian president to investigate Biden, his political rival, and Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) said there was “no evidence of a quid pro quo.”

This type of denial and close-minded attitude mimics how cult members blindly follow their leaders after being indoctrinated.

Trump thinks he is above the law said Steven Hassan, a mental health counselor and author of “The Cult of Trump.” “If [Trump] says ‘I did nothing wrong,’ everyone should accept that.”

Cult members experience cognitive dissonance when presented with facts that contradict their beliefs, said Lalich.

If Republican senators believe that Trump is good for America, they will work hard to ignore information that would shatter their worldview.

“They’ll shut out whatever’s happening in reality,” she said, “to keep themselves safe within this little cocoon that they’ve built around themselves.”

It’s common for members to use outright lies and mental gymnastics to protect their leader, and themselves.

The mentality is that the “end justifies the means,” according to Daniel Shaw, a psychotherapist who specializes in cults.

For Republicans, that means keeping Trump in power at all costs.

“Scientology operates in the same way,” he said.

“Members are immediately dispersed to deny any wrongdoing and to make false claims.”

They create alternate realities to discredit any narrative that attacks a leader.

Republican attorney Steve Castor, for example, repeatedly parroted a debunked conspiracy theory that the Ukrainian government had interfered with the 2016 presidential election to stop Trump’s victory, and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) insisted that the claim was true.

Multiple Republican congressmen said Biden could not be considered a political opponent, which is obviously false.

Despite the fact that the Constitution addresses why foreign interference is an impeachable offense, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) said, “This is exactly the sort of thing the American people elected President Trump to do.”

Once the trial was done, Trump attacked his opponents and Romney in a way that resembles how cult leaders pit their members against everyone else, said Lalich.

This divisive mentality helps bind group members together and makes everything on the outside seem “horrifying and evil.”

“A healthy organization needs to allow for dissent and for asking questions,” said Hassan.

“When any organization treats people like traitors for following their conscience or following an oath, that to me is a telltale sign of a mind control cult.”

Termin8tor » 08 Feb 2020 9:30 am » wrote:Vindman wasn't fired. He simply was transferred out of the White House, because he is a snake, a liar and likely a traitor.

Termin8tor » 08 Feb 2020 7:28 am » wrote:Deep State snakes like Vindman should be participants in attempted coups against duly elected presidents. That's literal treason.

Termin8tor » 09 Feb 2020 7:28 am » wrote:

Misty » 08 Feb 2020 6:57 pm » wrote:The deficit is $1 trillion
The debt is $23 trillion

Wow, after eight years of dead silence at Obama's vast overspending, little Miss Marxist suddenly has great concern about the deficit.

Termin8tor » 09 Feb 2020 7:28 am » wrote:Trump has said he'll be dealing with that his second term.

Termin8tor » 09 Feb 2020 7:28 am » wrote:And government job figures simply aren't accurate.

Zeets2 » 09 Feb 2020 8:07 am » wrote:

Misty » 08 Feb 2020 9:52 am » wrote:In this economy his approval rating should be in the 60's, but he has never cracked 50%.

Now that impeachment has been crushed, leaving Democrats with egg all over their faces, Trump's approval rate WILL rise!

Zeets2 » 09 Feb 2020 8:07 am » wrote:But the biggest indicator will continue to be how little enthusiasm there currently is for any of the Democrats running!

Termin8tor » 09 Feb 2020 7:30 am » wrote:Vindman wasn't fired. He was transferred back to his military career.
But hopefully he'll be indicted for the crimes he committed.

Zeets2 » 09 Feb 2020 7:38 am » wrote:Comparing Obama's LAST 3 years in office doesn't reveal the true story! The fact is that the true comparison to Trump's first 3 years in office is to OBAMA'S first 3 years, and you KNOW how badly he crashed the economy then!

Termin8tor » 09 Feb 2020 7:33 am » wrote:

Misty » 08 Feb 2020 9:52 am » wrote:You Trump supporters keep deluding yourselves into thinking that you are the majority of the country.
He only won by about 77,000 votes in three states, and he has lost a lot of independents and suburban women since then.
He sure as hell has not increased his voter base.
Providing that the Democrats don't screw it up (which is always a good possibility) and voter turnout is high, he's going to have a rough go of it this time, especially if he keeps acting the way he does.
In this economy his approval rating should be in the 60's, but he has never cracked 50%.

Boy are you going to be knocked out of your chair when he wins in an electoral landslide.

Termin8tor » 09 Feb 2020 7:33 am » wrote:Say, how's that Biden Juggernaut doing? Has he locked up the nomination yet?

Rock » 08 Feb 2020 10:02 am » wrote:

Misty » 08 Feb 2020 9:52 am » wrote:In this economy his approval rating should be in the 60's, but he has never cracked 50%.

Do you never read articles by mainstream media? Or watch news from the mainstream tv news stations? They are overwhelmingly negative about the president. What do the average loinfos read and watch? The mainstream media.

Rock » 08 Feb 2020 10:02 am » wrote:Here's a question for you. Do you honestly think we would be better off today if Hillary had won? I get that people don't like the way he acts. Sometimes I cringe at the way he calls people names. But I'll take him over the wicked witch of the east any day.