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Termin8tor » 27 Feb 2020 3:59 pm » wrote:

Misty » 27 Feb 2020 3:44 pm » wrote:So there's nothing to see here, because you feel fine?
Seriously Red?
It killed over 11,000 people.

What's the world wide death toll from the flu every year?

So you're going with the 'so what, people die all the time' defense?


FYI the Coronavirus is 20 times more lethal than the flu.
So far the death rate for this new virus is from 2 to 3 %.
The lethality rate for flu is .1%.

If you listened to the experts instead of listening to Sniffles who keeps comparing it to the flu, or Rush Limbaugh who called it 'the common cold' you might know that.

Termin8tor » 27 Feb 2020 4:42 pm » wrote:

I deleted most of your PATHETIC lies the ones which have already BEEN debunked and that you were too much of a GUTLESS COWARD to address the debunkings AGAIN but THIS LIE is one you keep telling over and over.\ Since you are a GUTLESS COWARD when I post the UNDENIABLE FACTS that PROVE you are a LIAR you run away from them CRYING then slink back and tell the SAME STUPID LIES again without EVER addressing the FACTS

And you'd be well informed about the biggest abuse of power in US history, not spreading Official Democrat Talking Point Lies.

I have PROVEN there was NO scanal whatsoever much LESS biggest scandal. There was a LEGITIMATE investigation which Horowitz who investigated THAT VERY THING said DIRECTLY TRAITOR


https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/09/politics ... index.htmlThe Justice Department's inspector general found that the FBI properly opened its investigation into Russian election interference


The report released Monday by inspector general Michael Horowitz did not find "documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions" to open investigations that initially focused on campaign advisers Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort.


And the report goes on to say Trump, your GOD is a LIAR and the FBI did NOT spy on him


Then the FACTS show that they found PLENTY of dirty dealing WITH the Russians even if it was not enough to prosecute for conspiracy it was DEFINITELY enough to justify investigation
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/06/timel ...


July 2016, the FBI began investigating the Russian government’s attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election, including whether President Donald Trump’s campaign associates were involved in those efforts.The START of the whole thing was a bunch of intelligence agencies like Estonia and Germany and Britian was telling OUR intelligence agencies that whenever they were spying on KNOWN and suspected Russian intelligence assets they kept hearing Trump campaign people


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nks-russia


GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland.


Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.


Trump was getting advance notice from wikileaks about their dumps wikileaks was called by Trumps own pick for head of the CIA a hostile intelligence agency but Trump touted them at LEAST 100 times


https://www.vox.com/2019/4/19/18507743/ ...


Trumps campaign manager repeatedly gave a man he KNEW was connected to Russian Military Intelligence INTERNAL polling data and Manafort discussed their strategy for the midwest with him


https://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort- .


The report noted that Manafort instructed his longtime colleague Rick Gates to provide Kilimnik with internal Trump campaign polling data and briefings on the campaign's strategies. For years, Manafort and Kilimnik worked together closely on political campaigns in Ukraine. Manafort even nicknamed Kilimnik his "Russian brain." The FBI has determined that Kilimnik, who was once a Russian military translator, has links to Russian intelligence services.


Sessions, Page, Manafort, Papadopolous, Jared, Don jr, Gates, Mcfarland ALL had contacts with Russians then LIED about them. Either you can cough up an innocent explanation for all that LYING or that alone justifies the investigation


The Trump campaign had more than 140 contacts with Russians the normal presidential campaign has ZERO


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... e=REGIWALLJan 26, 2019 -


Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries
ADDRESS THE FACTS or STFU you GUTLESS COWARD and TRAITOR


Psychopath.

TRAITOR

Whistleblower Says Federal Employees Flown From Coronavirus Sites Didn’t Follow Safety Protocols

Employees weren’t tested for virus before leaving California quarantine sites on commercial flights, complaint says.

A whistleblower alleges that some federal employees were sent to work at coronavirus quarantine locations in California without adequate safety protocols and then flew back home on commercial airplanes, according to a person familiar with the complaint against the Department of Health and Human Services.

The complaint, which HHS said it was evaluating, focuses on some employees who work at the Administration for Children and Families, or ACF, an HHS division that handles programs such as Head Start and disaster emergency response and that performed functions at some of the quarantine camps.

The U.S. repatriated Americans from China on planes chartered by the State Department in early February. They were subject to 14-day quarantines.

Employees didn’t receive prior safety training relevant to the California assignment, the whistleblower alleges, according to the person familiar with the complaint.

The employee who filed the complaint said she declined to go to one of the quarantine sites and was then reassigned for raising concerns about employee safety, according to the person familiar with the complaint.

The employees weren’t tested for the coronavirus before they left two California quarantine sites, the March Air Reserve Base in Riverside and Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield, and flew home, the person familiar with the complaint said.

There is no evidence that any of the workers contracted or spread the virus.

In response to the complaint, Caitlin Oakley, a spokeswoman at HHS, said Thursday: “We take all whistleblower complaints very seriously and are providing the complainant all appropriate protections under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

We are evaluating the complaint and have nothing further to add at this time.”

Earlier Thursday, without mentioning a whistleblower complaint, Rep. Jimmy Gomez (D., Calif.) asked HHS Secretary Alex Azar Thursday if there was a lapse in basic safety protocol at the air force bases that could have “endangered the employees and other Americans.”

Mr. Azar said he was unaware of any concerns.

“I don’t believe that’s taken place,” Mr. Azar testified Thursday in a House budget hearing.

He also said he disagreed with a characterization by Mr. Gomez that it was “chaotic” on the ground at the two quarantine bases.

Mr. Azar said he wasn’t aware of any violation of quarantine or violation of protocols at the sites.

“Urgency does not compensate for violating isolation and quarantine protocols for personal protection,” he added.

According to the person familiar with the complaint, it was filed to the U.S. Office of Special Counsel, a permanent and independent agency that deals with whistleblower complaints from executive-branch employees.

The complaint might put additional pressure on the Trump administration, which has faced criticism from some Democrats for its handling of the coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/whistleblo ... 1582840144

Termin8tor » 27 Feb 2020 4:42 pm » wrote:

Misty » 27 Feb 2020 4:19 pm » wrote:FYI the Coronavirus is 20 times more lethal than the flu.
So far the death rate for this new virus is from 2 to 3 %.
The lethality rate for flu is .1%.

I doubt anyone knows what the actual death rate is......blah, blah, blah.

You are a **** jackass.
Of course they know what the death rate is you gaping asshole.
It's not that difficult to figure out.
They know how many people have the disease and how many have died.
It's just math.

Termin8tor » 27 Feb 2020 3:39 pm » wrote:

Misty » 27 Feb 2020 3:32 pm » wrote:**** Breitbart.

Yeah, you prefer sources that spread three years of Fake News, lies, propaganda and **** about Trump and the Russian Collusion Hoax.

That coming from the moron who relies on a bunch of wingnut websites known for spreading FAKE News, conspiracy theories and hoaxes.

You don't have a **** leg to stand on when it comes to sources.

The MSM did not make up stories about the Trump campaign's hundreds of contacts with Russians.

They were all documented in the Mueller Report, a fact you just keep ignoring as if they didn't happen.

What do you think all of those contacts were about Precious?
Adoption?

That's the lie we were told, right?

And look where we are now, all because of his irrational hatred for Obama.

Misty » 27 Feb 2020 4:19 pm » wrote: So you're going with the 'so what, people die all the time' defense?


FYI the Coronavirus is 20 times more lethal than the flu.
Not in the US, where the lethal rate is ZERO%
So far the death rate for this new virus is from 2 to 3 %.
Not in the US, where the death rate is ZERO.
The lethality rate for flu is .1%.

If you listened to the experts instead of listening to Sniffles who keeps comparing it to the flu, or Rush Limbaugh who called it 'the common cold' you might know that.

The number of cases here in the US is minimal, and ALL OF THEM are currently in stable condition. Maybe it's time to give Trump all the credit for stopping flights from China and ordering quarantines on others last month. China got pissed off at that big time, and naturally every left-wing media outlet opposed that action, calling Trump racist and stupid for doing so! Of course, now that Trump's actions likely prevented a major outbreak here, the same fake news Trump haters STILL criticize him constantly.

If American workers without health coverage start dropping like flies from Coronavirus Trump might as well not even run for reelection.

Termin8tor » 28 Feb 2020 8:01 am » wrote:

Misty » 27 Feb 2020 8:28 pm » wrote:Anti-pandemic programs in 47 vulnerable countries, blah, blah
And look where we are now, all because of his irrational hatred for Obama.

You expect the US to pay for health care and prevention for the entire world, wackjob?

It's a whole lot cheaper for us to try and stop these pandemics at their source, than waiting until they come to this country and spread throughout the world.

Have you never heard the expression 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?'

Termin8tor » 28 Feb 2020 8:01 am » wrote:Trump is president of the US and is sending assistance to where it is necessary, like China; perhaps elsewhere.

Perhaps?
So like most things you say, you're just pulling that out of your ***.

And FYI Beijing has not accepted any offers of assistance, so he is NOT sending any to China either.
You lie as easily as you breathe.

Termin8tor » 28 Feb 2020 8:01 am » wrote:And being frugal with taxpayer money has nothing to do with Obama.
If we don't get our budget under control, we are literally going to go bankrupt like Greece.

Your Dear Leader has added over 3 trillion to the debt and doubled the deficit.
You think that's being frugal?
What a **** jackass.

WillFranklin » 28 Feb 2020 9:45 am » wrote:If American workers without health coverage start dropping like flies from Coronavirus Trump might as well not even run for reelection.

Don't worry Will
Sniffles is expecting a 'miracle.'
He believes that the coronavirus will just 'disappear.'

Misty » 28 Feb 2020 10:03 am » wrote: Don't worry Will
Sniffles is expecting a 'miracle.'
He believes that the coronavirus will just 'disappear.'

That's why that pair of photos is the meme for everything. See?

Termin8tor » 28 Feb 2020 7:56 am » wrote:Little Miss Marxist is in desperate Full Coverup Mode.

Termin8tor » 28 Feb 2020 7:56 am » wrote:So of course she'll censor everything I cite or write.

I don't want my thread filled with your disinformation, propaganda, lies and ****.

Zeets2 » 28 Feb 2020 7:42 am » wrote:

Misty » 27 Feb 2020 4:19 pm » wrote:So you're going with the 'so what, people die all the time' defense?

FYI the Coronavirus is 20 times more lethal than the flu.
Not in the US, where the lethal rate is ZERO%
So far the death rate for this new virus is from 2 to 3 %.
Not in the US, where the death rate is ZERO.
The lethality rate for flu is .1%.
If you listened to the experts instead of listening to Sniffles who keeps comparing it to the flu, or Rush Limbaugh who called it 'the common cold' you might know that.

The number of cases here in the US is minimal, and ALL OF THEM are currently in stable condition.

Why do you Trump supporters act as if it's all over?
The government health care experts are saying that it is inevitable that there will be more cases, which is why Trump has now muzzled them.

Zeets2 » 28 Feb 2020 7:42 am » wrote:Maybe it's time to give Trump all the credit for stopping flights from China and ordering quarantines on others last month. China got pissed off at that big time, and naturally every left-wing media outlet opposed that action, calling Trump racist and stupid for doing so!

I didn't hear any media outlets calling him racist and stupid for doing that.
You probably heard that on FOX News TRUMP TV or some other right wingnut source.

FYI the CDC was against bringing those 14 infected people back to the U.S. but the State Dept. overruled them.
Those people sat on buses with people who were not infected and flew on the same plane with them.

Zeets2 » 28 Feb 2020 7:42 am » wrote:Of course, now that Trump's actions likely prevented a major outbreak here, the same fake news Trump haters STILL criticize him constantly.

Sorry, but I don't feel very assured by the fact that Trump has gutted the healthcare infrastructure that was set up to deal with pandemics like this, and has appointed Pence to head up the coronavirus task force, who in turn named Larry Kudlow and Steve Mnuchin to the task force.
What medical background do any of them have?

And Pence and the HHS Sectetary can't even seem to agree on which one of them is in charge.

The HHS Secretary BTW was a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry and also has no medical background.

I can't even wrap my head around this.
Diamond and Silk?
WTF?



https://www.thedailybeast.com/amid-coronavirus-mayhem-trump-takes-time-to-meet-with-actors-in-deep-state-play

Misty » 28 Feb 2020 10:37 am » wrote: Why do you Trump supporters act as if it's all over?
Nobody's saying it's all over. We're saying that you simply can't compare the kind of care the infected are getting in China compared to what they would receive here. You're looking at stats from China and Iran, for example, and believing it's going to be just as bad here. Sorry, I don't believe that. And it's a debate I'll be happy to have in the months to come, and I'll admit it if I turn out to be wrong.
The government health care experts are saying that it is inevitable that there will be more cases, which is why Trump has now muzzled them.
And what does that mean? Does "more" mean double the handful of the few dozen people here that now have it and are being treated, or does it mean they expect thousands more? Trump isn't saying anything different. He says it could be more than we expect or it can be less than we expect. What's so wrong with that?

I didn't hear any media outlets calling him racist and stupid for doing that.
Trump himself has stated that. I'll try to find where that came from.
You probably heard that on FOX News TRUMP TV or some other right wingnut source.

FYI the CDC was against bringing those 14 infected people back to the U.S. but the State Dept. overruled them.
Those people sat on buses with people who were not infected and flew on the same plane with them.

Sorry, but I don't feel very assured by the fact that Trump has gutted the healthcare infrastructure that was set up to deal with pandemics like this, and has appointed Pence to head up the coronavirus task force, who in turn named Larry Kudlow and Steve Mnuchin to the task force.
What medical background do any of them have?
Nothing has been "gutted". There is no evidence that we can't handle whatever epidemic happens.

And Pence and the HHS Sectetary can't even seem to agree on which one of them is in charge.

The HHS Secretary BTW was a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry and also has no medical background.
I've got full confidence in their abilities to handle it. Too many liberals are hoping for a major disaster just to have another reason to try to destroy Trump. Nothing changes.

Termin8tor » 28 Feb 2020 10:58 am » wrote:

Misty » 27 Feb 2020 8:06 pm » wrote:That coming from the moron who relies on a bunch of wingnut websites known for spreading FAKE News, conspiracy theories and hoaxes.
You don't have a **** leg to stand on when it comes to sources.

"Fake News, conspiracy theories and hoaxes," psycho? You're kidding, right?

Here you go Precious.
SOS Mike Pompeo refused to say that the whole coronavirus thing is NOT a hoax.
That's the crap they try and sell the American people.
Don't worry about getting sick, it's all a Democratic hoax.



https://twitter.com/LibsInAmerica/status/1233414007710769155

Pompeo refuses 6 times to say coronavirus is not 'the hoax of the day'

Zeets2 » 28 Feb 2020 11:42 am » wrote:

Misty » 28 Feb 2020 10:37 am » wrote: Why do you Trump supporters act as if it's all over?
Nobody's saying it's all over. We're saying that you simply can't compare the kind of care the infected are getting in China compared to what they would receive here. You're looking at stats from China and Iran, for example, and believing it's going to be just as bad here. Sorry, I don't believe that. And it's a debate I'll be happy to have in the months to come, and I'll admit it if I turn out to be wrong.
The government health care experts are saying that it is inevitable that there will be more cases, which is why Trump has now muzzled them.
And what does that mean? Does "more" mean double the handful of the few dozen people here that now have it and are being treated, or does it mean they expect thousands more? Trump isn't saying anything different. He says it could be more than we expect or it can be less than we expect. What's so wrong with that?

I didn't hear any media outlets calling him racist and stupid for doing that.
Trump himself has stated that. I'll try to find where that came from.
You probably heard that on FOX News TRUMP TV or some other right wingnut source.

FYI the CDC was against bringing those 14 infected people back to the U.S. but the State Dept. overruled them.
Those people sat on buses with people who were not infected and flew on the same plane with them.

Sorry, but I don't feel very assured by the fact that Trump has gutted the healthcare infrastructure that was set up to deal with pandemics like this, and has appointed Pence to head up the coronavirus task force, who in turn named Larry Kudlow and Steve Mnuchin to the task force.
What medical background do any of them have?
Nothing has been "gutted". There is no evidence that we can't handle whatever epidemic happens.

And Pence and the HHS Sectetary can't even seem to agree on which one of them is in charge.

The HHS Secretary BTW was a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry and also has no medical background.
I've got full confidence in their abilities to handle it. Too many liberals are hoping for a major disaster just to have another reason to try to destroy Trump. Nothing changes.

Learn to use the quote button properly if you want a reply.
I'm not even going to begin to reply to that the way you posted it.

Termin8tor » 28 Feb 2020 10:48 am » wrote:

Misty » 28 Feb 2020 10:00 am » wrote:

THE GAPING ASSHOLE SAID: You expect the US to pay for health care and prevention
for the entire world, wackjob?

It's a whole lot cheaper for us to try and stop these pandemics at their source, than waiting until they come to this country and spread throughout the world.
Have you never heard the expression 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?'

What utter ****. You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

There is zero chance of anticipating sudden occurrences like this let alone preventing them, and even trying would help bankrupt us.

Reacting once it has happened is the best way to deal with them.

Some people are too stupid to live.

Termin8tor » 28 Feb 2020 10:48 am » wrote:You're just babbling in ignorance that Obama's leftist we-are-the-world policies were cut.

Yes because Sniffles' go-it-alone policies are so much better.