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WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 3:55 am » wrote:
Dry holes becoming productive again sounds like your personal hygiene issues.

Don't confuse them with existing oil filling in from underneath.

Oh, look - the queer is a petroleum engineer, hipping me from on high.

Google U. turns out a new engineer every minute.

I didn't need a representative of the homosexual community to hastily google one side of an argument he never knew existed five minutes ago, there, glory hole attendant.

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 4:04 am » wrote: Oh, look - the queer is a petroleum engineer, hipping me from on high.

Google U. turns out a new engineer every minute.

I didn't need a representative of the homosexual community to hastily google one side of an argument he never knew existed five minutes ago, there, glory hole attendant.

How do your dry holes fill back in? Tell me what makes sense.

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 4:05 am » wrote:
How do your dry holes fill back in? Tell me what makes sense.

Go **** yourself. If you want the other side of the argument, google it. You were quick enough to google the little bit of assery you shared in your last post.

Why should I make a case, just to measure how fast you can google something you don't know **** about?

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 4:07 am » wrote: Go **** yourself. If you want the other side of the argument, google it. You were quick enough to google the little bit of assery you shared in your last post.

I did not google anything.

That was my math degree talking.

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 4:08 am » wrote:
I did not google anything.

That was my math degree talking.

Horse ****.

You had no thought in the world about where oil comes from - you took on faith what you had been told. You already showed that you didn't have any concept of the argument between the "peak oil" crowd - now thinning and dying out - and those who argue that oil is far from scarce, and quite possibly biogenic.

You want me to make an argument so that you can google a pat answer and copy paste your masturbation. And I have no reason to make such argument, as I am absolutely ignorant in the matter and perfectly comfortable with my ignorance. What I DO know is that oil is not scarce. Where it comes from, I do NOT know, and I do NOT - as you do - dullardly take on faith.

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 4:13 am » wrote: Horse ****.

You had no thought in the world about where oil comes from - you took on faith what you had been told. You already showed that you didn't have any concept of the argument between the "peak oil" crowd - now thinning and dying out - and those who argue that oil is far from scarce, and quite possibly biogenic.

You want me to make an argument so that you can google a pat answer and copy paste your masturbation. And I have no reason to make such argument, as I am absolutely ignorant in the matter and perfectly comfortable with my ignorance. What I DO now is that oil is not scarce. Where it comes from, I do NOT know, and I do NOT - as you do - dullardly take on faith.

I swear that was just my common sense and this talking:

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 4:14 am » wrote:
I swear that was just my common sense and this talking:

Sweet Jesus, will, YOU have a DEGREE?

How the **** did you become so stupid?

I do NOT get the sensation of talking to an educated person when I talk with you - shoog. You never take correction - you stubbornly persist in error - you prefer parisan talking points over logic, to which you have proven IMPERVIOUS. It's not that you are always wrong - far from it. It's that you persist in error, when good sense and manly judgment would produce a course correction.

Have you EVER admitted error on these boards, beyond, "Oh, you're right - it IS Tuesday?" Have you EVER changed your position on ANY topic, as educated men are wont when presented with better argument? EVER?

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 4:21 am » wrote: Sweet Jesus, will, YOU have a DEGREE?

How the **** did you become so stupid?

I do NOT get the sensation of talking to an educated person when I talk with you - shoog. You never take correction - you stubbornly persist in error - you prefer parisan talking points over logic, to which you have proven IMPERVIOUS. It's not that you are always wrong - far from it. It's that you persist in error, when good sense and manly judgment would produce a course correction.

Have you EVER admitted error on these boards, beyond, "Oh, you're right - it IS Tuesday?" Have you EVER changed your position on ANY topic, as educated men are wont when presented with better argument? EVER?

We would have to rehash my "errors" to find out, .... shoog.

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 4:23 am » wrote:
We would have to rehash my "errors" to find out, .... shoog.

Calling me shoog is one of them, shoog.

Persisting in the adolescent pretense that MFA can pass with a requirement that all supplements and other insurance plans be outlawed is another.

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 4:29 am » wrote: Calling me shoog is one of them, shoog.

Persisting in the adolescent pretense that MFA can pass with a requirement that all supplements and other insurance plans be outlawed is another.

As long as MFA covers all the necessities for lifetime and is single payer and totally taxpayer funded then we can talk these minor details.

I am already up for the day.

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 4:30 am » wrote:
As long as MFA covers all the necessities for lifetime and is single payer and totally taxpayer funded then we can talk these minor details.

I am already up for the day.

Outlawing competition is not a minor detail. It's a bill killer.

There will always be those among us who pay-go their own, and get the best doctors. AGAIN, the issue is not equality - it's how we treat the least among us. The top dogs will always be treated better than the bottom dogs - you're gonna wanna factor that hard reality into your life view.

Hierarchies - they're whats for winners.

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 4:36 am » wrote: Outlawing competition is not a minor detail. It's a bill killer.

There will always be those among us who pay-go their own, and get the best doctors. AGAIN, the issue is not equality - it's how we treat the least among us. The top dogs will always be treated better than the bottom dogs - you're gonna wanna factor that hard reality into your life view.

Hierarchies - they're whats for winners.

So you are saying there should be special providers that do not see MFA patients?

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 4:37 am » wrote: So you are saying there should be special providers that do not see MFA patients?

No, I am not saying there should be. I am saying there absolutely WILL be.

MFA is not health care. It's INSURANCE. It just PAYS for health care. But so will other things. A pound of gold, A life time supply of purdue chickens. Cash on the barrel head. An admission for the doctor's halfwit kid to a prestigious prep school. A used ferrari for a new set of tits and a tummy tuck. Tax services for medical services. The list of possible trades for services is endless - and not without antecedent. Many physical therapists trade services routinely. The desire to outlaw service trades is rooted in stupidity, and is historically fraught with peril.

You think we can OUTLAW someone paying their own bill, in cash or trade? And if we did, you think black market medicine is going to be a social POSITIVE?

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 4:44 am » wrote: No, I am not saying there should be. I am saying there absolutely WILL be.

MFA is not health care. It's INSURANCE. It just PAYS for health care. But so will other things. A pound of gold, A life time supply of purdue chickens. Cash on the barrel head. An admission for the doctor's halfwit kid to a prestigious prep school. A used ferrari for a new set of tits and a tummy tuck. Tax services for medical services. The list of possible trades for services is endless - and not without antecedent. Many physical therapists trade services routinely. The desire to outlaw service trades is rooted in stupidity, and is historically fraught with peril.

You think we can OUTLAW someone paying their own bill, in cash or trade? And if we did, you think black market medicine is going to be a social POSITIVE?

I just say outlaw being prejudiced against government insurance.

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 4:46 am » wrote: I just say outlaw being prejudiced against government insurance.

And you have a degree. Amazing.

Doctors who don't accept medicare aren't "prejudiced." Everyone who doesn't behave as you imagine they ought is not a bigot.

Medicare pays a bottom rate - which is still a handsome enough salary to give a doctor a good living. But the very best doctors are in such high demand and such short supply that they don;t NEED medicare patients. They can make more money turning those patients down. Who are you to decide their competency and value?

That said, even if you could make the MORAL case, you cannot make the practical one. As a practical matter, doctors will ALWAYS be able to get around any scheme that would enslave them to a single payer.

You keep betraying a rather adolescent desire to level the playing field, when you ought to be focusing on getting a decent and humane cut of the pie for the bottom tier. If you went to sleep for a hundred years when you awoke, there would still be a top and there would still be a bottom and there would still be space between them. Getting rid of it is not a wise ambition. Shrinking it is.

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 4:53 am » wrote: And you have a degree. Amazing.

Doctors who don't accept medicare aren't "prejudiced." Everyone who doesn't behave as you imagine they ought is not a bigot.

Medicare pays a bottom rate - which is still a handsome enough salary to give a doctor a good living. But the very best doctors are in such high demand and such short supply that they don;t NEED medicare patients. They can make more money turning those patients down. Who are you to decide their competency and value?

That said, even if you could make the MORAL case, you cannot make the practical one. As a practical matter, doctors will ALWAYS be able to get around any scheme that would enslave them to a single payer.

You keep betraying a rather adolescent desire to level the playing field, when you ought to be focusing on getting a decent and humane cut of the pie for the bottom tier. If you went to sleep for a hundred years when you awoke, there would still be a top and there would still be a bottom and there would still be space between them. Getting rid of it is not a wise ambition. Shrinking it is.

So then there has to be a sufficient supply of providers to take MFA patients and provide total coverage. Then I am satisfied.

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 4:59 am » wrote: So then there has to be a sufficient supply of providers to take MFA patients and provide total coverage. Then I am satisfied.

There always will be - and any shortage can be handled with the visa program.

Small towns often have a shortage of competent physicians. That will not abate. Better doctors gravitate to larger cities. **** doctors can't make it in the bigs, so they butcher the yokels.

That isn't gonna change.

Everything on earth turns literally to **** - by design.

I always recommend smelling the flowers and not paying too much attenton to the ****, as you will be joining it soon enough.

Let's get everyone covered, and let's just be equanimous with the rich being covered better.

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 5:04 am » wrote: There always will be - and any shortage can be handled with the visa program.

Small towns often have a shortage of competent physicians. That will not abate. Better doctors gravitate to larger cities. **** doctors can't make it in the bigs, so they butcher the yokels.

That isn't gonna change.

Everything on earth turns literally to **** - by design.

I always recommend smelling the flowers and not paying too much attenton to the ****, as you will be joining it soon enough.

Let's get everyone covered, and let's just be equanimous with the rich being covered better.

We don't have such a problem then, shoog.

Why do you think I plant orange trees? Have you ever smelled those flowers?

So the backstop for making sure we had enough MFA doctors and not all luxury private docs would be...

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 5:06 am » wrote: We don't have such a problem then, shoog.

Why do you think I plant orange trees? Have you ever smelled those flowers?

I have. I had a mandarin tree very near my spa when I had a home in vegas. And honey suckle, and a jasmine bush.

WillFranklin » 04 Mar 2020 5:06 am » wrote: So the backstop for making sure we had enough MFA doctors and not all luxury private docs would be...

Entirely unnecessary - but the H1B visa program, already operational.

Cannonpointer » 04 Mar 2020 5:10 am » wrote: I have. I had a mandarin tree very near my spa when I had a home in vegas. And honey suckle, and a jasmine bush.

Entirely unnecessary - but the H1B visa program, already operational.

You are done with me already this morning. Not even seven. Did you go to bed?

Also consider the poor kids who want to be doctors that are Americans.