Flying Monkeys
By Nobody
11 Mar 2011 1:42 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
20 Mar 2020 8:04 pm
Yes, people did foresee this pandemic happening.
Intelligence community warned about the possibility of a pandemic long before the current pandemic.
President Donald Trump has repeatedly described the coronavirus outbreak in the United States as a problem that nobody anticipated.
The crisis is “an unforeseen problem” that “came out of nowhere,” Trump said on March 6.
“We’re having to fix a problem that, four weeks ago, nobody ever thought would be a problem,” he said on March 11.
“It’s something that nobody expected,” he said again on March 14.
Facts First: Trump is just wrong.
The US intelligence community, public health experts and officials in Trump’s own administration had warned for years that the country was at risk from a pandemic.
Some of the warnings specifically mentioned the possibility of a coronavirus pandemic.
And when this particular coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, was identified in China in early January, health experts quickly cautioned it could be a major problem around the world.
"This was foreseeable, and foreseen, weeks and months ago, and only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen,” Harvard University epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch, director of Harvard’s Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, said on Sunday.
Trump’s attempt to improve perceptions of his response by depicting the pandemic as a shock to everyone is just one of numerous ways he has dishonestly described the crisis.
Trump claimed Saturday that the situation has been “urgent for me” from the very beginning, citing his late-January decision to restrict travel from China.
But Trump downplayed the severity of the issues facing the US long after that — even as experts were issuing the warnings Trump is now suggesting did not happen.
“Almost two months ago, experts were saying that the new virus in Wuhan was potentially a global threat,” Lipsitch said in an email.
“One month ago, experts were saying that it was likely to be pandemic, and the White House’s response was that this was under control, despite the fact that the US’s lack of testing was demonstrably giving a false picture of the extent of infection.”
The US intelligence community warned about the possibility of a pandemic long before the current pandemic.
The intelligence community’s 2019 Worldwide Threat Assessment, delivered last January, said the following in bold type: “We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large-scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support.”
The report said that there will be “more frequent outbreaks of infectious diseases” than in the past, for various reasons related to urbanization, globalization and climate change, and said that health security improvements by the international community “may be inadequate.”
The intelligence community’s 2018 threat assessment warned that a “novel strain of a virulent microbe that is easily transmissible between humans continues to be a major threat” — specifically listing a coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) Coronavirus, as one with “pandemic potential.”
Harvard’s Lipsitch noted that a 2015 study found a risk that a coronavirus circulating among bats in China, similar to the SARS coronavirus identified in 2003, would emerge in humans.
(The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the current coronavirus, like the SARS of 2003 and the Middle East coronavirus, has its origin in bats.)
Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder whose philanthropic foundation is a major player in the global health world, said in a 2018 speech that “the next threat may not be a flu at all.
More than likely, it will be an unknown pathogen that we see for the first time during an outbreak, as was the case with SARS, MERS, and other recently-discovered infectious diseases.”
Gates said that “even in the US,” not only in low-income countries, “our response to a pandemic or widespread bioterror attack would be insufficient.”
Jeremy Konyndyk, who served under former President Barack Obama as director of the US Agency for International Development’s Office of US Foreign Disaster Assistance, wrote on Twitter and in a Politico article during the first two months of Trump’s presidency in 2017 about what he argued was Trump’s unpreparedness for the pandemic he warned could be coming.
“A major new global health crisis is a question of when, not if,” he wrote in Politico, noting that “every president dating back to at least Ronald Reagan has dealt with major and unexpected outbreaks — HIV/AIDS, SARS, bird flu, Ebola, Zika.”
Another pandemic warning came in 2018 — from the now-defunct White House National Security Council team then responsible for pandemics.
According to the Washington Post, Dr. Luciana Borio, then the council’s director of medical and biodefense preparedness, said in 2018: “The threat of pandemic flu is the number one health security concern.
Are we ready to respond? I fear the answer is no.”
John Bolton, then Trump’s national security adviser, disbanded the team during a reorganization of the NSC implemented shortly after Borio’s comments.
Bolton tweeted Saturday that it’s “false” that his “streamlining” hurt the country’s “bio defense.”
Trump disavowed responsibility on Friday for the NSC changes, saying, “I didn’t do it” and “I don’t know anything about it” — though he conceded that “the administration” did.
Jennifer Horney, professor and founding director of the epidemiology program at the University of Delaware, said “we’ve been planning for and anticipating a global event like this” at least since the 2005 avian influenza outbreak.
Data about this coronavirus outbreak in China was available by January, Horney noted.
“I think everyone is well aware that our travel, economy — everything — is so closely linked globally that there would be almost no potential for an infectious disease not to spread globally at this point,” she said.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/16/ ... happening/
Intelligence community warned about the possibility of a pandemic long before the current pandemic.
President Donald Trump has repeatedly described the coronavirus outbreak in the United States as a problem that nobody anticipated.
The crisis is “an unforeseen problem” that “came out of nowhere,” Trump said on March 6.
“We’re having to fix a problem that, four weeks ago, nobody ever thought would be a problem,” he said on March 11.
“It’s something that nobody expected,” he said again on March 14.
Facts First: Trump is just wrong.
The US intelligence community, public health experts and officials in Trump’s own administration had warned for years that the country was at risk from a pandemic.
Some of the warnings specifically mentioned the possibility of a coronavirus pandemic.
And when this particular coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, was identified in China in early January, health experts quickly cautioned it could be a major problem around the world.
"This was foreseeable, and foreseen, weeks and months ago, and only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen,” Harvard University epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch, director of Harvard’s Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, said on Sunday.
Trump’s attempt to improve perceptions of his response by depicting the pandemic as a shock to everyone is just one of numerous ways he has dishonestly described the crisis.
Trump claimed Saturday that the situation has been “urgent for me” from the very beginning, citing his late-January decision to restrict travel from China.
But Trump downplayed the severity of the issues facing the US long after that — even as experts were issuing the warnings Trump is now suggesting did not happen.
“Almost two months ago, experts were saying that the new virus in Wuhan was potentially a global threat,” Lipsitch said in an email.
“One month ago, experts were saying that it was likely to be pandemic, and the White House’s response was that this was under control, despite the fact that the US’s lack of testing was demonstrably giving a false picture of the extent of infection.”
The US intelligence community warned about the possibility of a pandemic long before the current pandemic.
The intelligence community’s 2019 Worldwide Threat Assessment, delivered last January, said the following in bold type: “We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large-scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support.”
The report said that there will be “more frequent outbreaks of infectious diseases” than in the past, for various reasons related to urbanization, globalization and climate change, and said that health security improvements by the international community “may be inadequate.”
The intelligence community’s 2018 threat assessment warned that a “novel strain of a virulent microbe that is easily transmissible between humans continues to be a major threat” — specifically listing a coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) Coronavirus, as one with “pandemic potential.”
Harvard’s Lipsitch noted that a 2015 study found a risk that a coronavirus circulating among bats in China, similar to the SARS coronavirus identified in 2003, would emerge in humans.
(The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the current coronavirus, like the SARS of 2003 and the Middle East coronavirus, has its origin in bats.)
Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder whose philanthropic foundation is a major player in the global health world, said in a 2018 speech that “the next threat may not be a flu at all.
More than likely, it will be an unknown pathogen that we see for the first time during an outbreak, as was the case with SARS, MERS, and other recently-discovered infectious diseases.”
Gates said that “even in the US,” not only in low-income countries, “our response to a pandemic or widespread bioterror attack would be insufficient.”
Jeremy Konyndyk, who served under former President Barack Obama as director of the US Agency for International Development’s Office of US Foreign Disaster Assistance, wrote on Twitter and in a Politico article during the first two months of Trump’s presidency in 2017 about what he argued was Trump’s unpreparedness for the pandemic he warned could be coming.
“A major new global health crisis is a question of when, not if,” he wrote in Politico, noting that “every president dating back to at least Ronald Reagan has dealt with major and unexpected outbreaks — HIV/AIDS, SARS, bird flu, Ebola, Zika.”
Another pandemic warning came in 2018 — from the now-defunct White House National Security Council team then responsible for pandemics.
According to the Washington Post, Dr. Luciana Borio, then the council’s director of medical and biodefense preparedness, said in 2018: “The threat of pandemic flu is the number one health security concern.
Are we ready to respond? I fear the answer is no.”
John Bolton, then Trump’s national security adviser, disbanded the team during a reorganization of the NSC implemented shortly after Borio’s comments.
Bolton tweeted Saturday that it’s “false” that his “streamlining” hurt the country’s “bio defense.”
Trump disavowed responsibility on Friday for the NSC changes, saying, “I didn’t do it” and “I don’t know anything about it” — though he conceded that “the administration” did.
Jennifer Horney, professor and founding director of the epidemiology program at the University of Delaware, said “we’ve been planning for and anticipating a global event like this” at least since the 2005 avian influenza outbreak.
Data about this coronavirus outbreak in China was available by January, Horney noted.
“I think everyone is well aware that our travel, economy — everything — is so closely linked globally that there would be almost no potential for an infectious disease not to spread globally at this point,” she said.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/16/ ... happening/
21 Mar 2020 4:41 pm
You are a LIAR and you do this constantly this question has BEEN ANSWERED over and over and you are a LIAR the Russians were spending a MILLION A MONTH not to mention all the REST of the money they spent like the 30 million they gave the NRA to spend for them or the money Parnas and Furman gave the Trump superpac. I gave CITATIONS for all that the LAST TIME you told this STUPID LIE. That and of course Bloomberg was trying to influence liberals THINK while the Russians were aiming their PROPAGANDA at TRAITORS like you and the rest of the Treason Monkeys who have been TRAINED like the mindless sheep you are by the GOP/Nazi party to THINK what you are TOLD to think. GOD you are stupid. As usual you will IGNORE THE FACTS and tell the SAME STUPID LIES over and over word for word you GUTLESS COWARD and TRAITORTermin8tor » 21 Mar 2020 9:23 am » wrote:I hate to annoy you by bringing reality into your Fake Reality thread, but how could $150,000 or so spent by the Russians have stolen the election for Trump if $1 billion couldn't by Bloomberg a decent showing in the primary?
25 Mar 2020 11:26 am
Trump didn't close the pandemic office. He re-organized and consolidated it, as the guy who then ran it pointed out in the WashPost.Termin8tor » 25 Mar 2020 8:58 am » wrote:
As usual TRAITOR you are a LIAR. He FIRED the guy in China and didnt replace him Yes there was a guy IN CHINA to give us a head start on exactly this kind of thing and Trump GOT RID OF HIM, the head of the office quit or was forced out and he didnt replace him then he had Bolten send the rest of the office elsewhere AND DIDNT REPLACE ANY OF THEM. Play any semantic GAMES you want. There WAS an office of people who were there SPECIFICALLY to combat EXACTLY THIS kind of thing then they were GONE. Trump disbanded them TRAITOR
Amazing that corrupt newspaper allowed the piece to run.
You are a LIAR they are a good source it isnt anyone elses fault that to TRAITORS like you the only GOOD sources are the ones that tell the LIES you want to hear and are BRAINWASHED with
Ho hum, Trump again body slams his sleazy Democrat opponents to help Americans.
Ho hum today Trump does what he always does watchews TV or plays golf LIES constantly shows how inept and incompetent he is and maybe has another press conference where he tells LIES and misinforms while those around him look uncomfortable till they get theri chance to straignten things up for Trumps goofs and LIES after they publicly kiss his *** for a while and generally show he is the WORST PRESIDENT IMAGINABLE much less that ever really held the office
No wonder the corrupt liberal MSM are beginning to censor his Corona press conferences.
You are of course a LIAR all you EVER do is LIE constantly but I wish they would stop broadcasting his daily LIEFEST. America is still not used to having a president that you are forced to IGNORE everything he says because he is a pathological LIAR and he is still hurting America as some people are still STUPID enough to listen to him
You are nothing but a LIAR, TRAITOR
25 Mar 2020 2:28 pm
Hey Misty!Misty » 12 Mar 2011 4:55 pm » wrote:"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789Nice quote.I find it curious that people seem to be taking my criticisms of the far right fringe of the Republican party as a tacit endorsement of all Democrats. Edited by MistyBlue, 12 March 2011 - 05:57 PM.
How are things over here on The Dark Side?
26 Mar 2020 12:22 pm
So you just repeated that SAME STUPID bit of IGNORANCE word for word from your last post. I deleted your repetitive IGNORANCE There is no question Kristol is a conservative no one denies that but you TRAITORS and BRAINWASHED MORONS. Trump has such high loyalty from Republicans because the GOP/Nazi party has them all TRAINED to not think at ALL except in terms of hating the left. TRAITOR. Trump is SCUM and even you Treason Monkeys KNOW that he doesnt CARE about conservatism he cares ONLY about himself and you Treason Monkeys KNOW that you just dont care TRAITORTermin8tor » 26 Mar 2020 9:21 am » wrote:T
27 Mar 2020 10:33 am
27 Mar 2020 10:35 am
So happy to have you here.Isabel » 25 Mar 2020 2:28 pm » wrote:Hey Misty!Misty » 12 Mar 2011 4:55 pm » wrote:"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789Nice quote.I find it curious that people seem to be taking my criticisms of the far right fringe of the Republican party as a tacit endorsement of all Democrats. Edited by MistyBlue, 12 March 2011 - 05:57 PM.
How are things over here on The Dark Side?
27 Mar 2020 11:57 am
Except for the definition of pandemic I cited as described by the W.H.O. and Dr. Fauci.Termin8tor » 27 Mar 2020 11:38 am » wrote:I cited the definition of the word proving me correct, psycho.Misty » 27 Mar 2020 10:33 am » wrote:Termin8tor » 04 Mar 2020 1:48 pm » wrote:There is no pandemic in the US.
You didn't cite squat.
27 Mar 2020 2:53 pm
And they say Joe Biden is the one with dementia?
GM sold that plant last year.
He even Tweeted about it.
GM sells Ohio-based Lordstown Assembly plant to electric truck start-up.
GM sold that plant last year.
He even Tweeted about it.
GM sells Ohio-based Lordstown Assembly plant to electric truck start-up.
27 Mar 2020 3:05 pm
Little Miss Marxist is up to her leftist censorship tactic again.
Can't allow any reality in her Fake Reality thread.
First, are these the same intelligence officials who spread the Russian Collusion Hoax for three years?
If so, it's more self serving, anti-Trump ****.
Second, if it was so obvious that this would happen, why didn't Obama prepare for it? He had eight years, not three, and he had to deal with one.
And don't try to tell your stupid lie that Trump eliminated the pandemic office. The Director wrote a column saying he ran it after Trump re-organized and consolidated it.
Run, Forrest, run!
Can't allow any reality in her Fake Reality thread.
Misty » 20 Mar 2020 8:04 pm » wrote:Yes, people did foresee this pandemic happening.
Intelligence community warned about the possibility of a pandemic long before the current pandemic.
First, are these the same intelligence officials who spread the Russian Collusion Hoax for three years?
If so, it's more self serving, anti-Trump ****.
Second, if it was so obvious that this would happen, why didn't Obama prepare for it? He had eight years, not three, and he had to deal with one.
And don't try to tell your stupid lie that Trump eliminated the pandemic office. The Director wrote a column saying he ran it after Trump re-organized and consolidated it.
Run, Forrest, run!
27 Mar 2020 3:09 pm
**** YOU and your continual LIES Russian Propaganda and GUTLESS COWARDICE running away EVERY DAY from the FACTS that prove you are a LIAR in this thread ALONE you have run away from the FACTS a dozen times TRAITORTermin8tor » 27 Mar 2020 3:06 pm » wrote:.
27 Mar 2020 3:10 pm
27 Mar 2020 3:23 pm
You are too STUPID too much of a LIAR and too BRAINWASHED to even BEGIN to understand reality which is just too complex for your simple mind. This IS a pandemic FLAT OUT a worldwide spread of an infectious disease. Being caught up in the IRRELEVANCE of exactly what the death rate is shows how STUPID you are and how little you understand the issues you spew mindless propaganda about. That is a stat that will fluctuate there is no EXACT amount of how deadly a disease is. How infectious and how quickly it spreads is a much more relevant stat since if enough people get infected that it OVERWHELMS our effective healthcare response for say hospital beds or ventilators like it did in Italy that number will then SOAR by all accounts at its LOWEST ESTIMATE it is still ten to fifteen times MOIRE DEADLY than the regular flu and THAT is more deadly than the swine flu you Treason Monkeys keep crowing aboutTermin8tor » 27 Mar 2020 3:18 pm » wrote: \
MY GOD your STUPIDITY is just an embarrassment to homo sapiens EVERYWHERE
27 Mar 2020 3:25 pm
Sorry you gaping asshole.Termin8tor » 27 Mar 2020 3:05 pm » wrote:.....if it was so obvious that this would happen, why didn't Obama prepare for it? He had eight years, not three, and he had to deal with one.
You can't pin this one on Obama.
That **** ain't gonna fly.
Your Dear Leader **** up big time.
This is on him and no one else.
He fired the WH pandemic preparedness team, he ignored U.S. intelligence warnings about an impending pandemic, he failed to follow the NSC's pandemic playbook and he turned down the testing kits offered by the WHO.
None of that is Obama's fault.
https://www.snopes.com/collections/coro ... ion-trump/
27 Mar 2020 3:28 pm
Why do you assume he's human?solon » 27 Mar 2020 3:23 pm » wrote:MY GOD your STUPIDITY is just an embarrassment to homo sapiens EVERYWHERETermin8tor » 27 Mar 2020 3:18 pm » wrote:(the usual ****)
27 Mar 2020 3:30 pm
EXACTLY SO Obama DID prepare for it and Trump eviscerated those preparations. We had a guy IN CHINA who could have given us a BIG headstart on EXACTLY this and Trump FIRED HIMMisty » 27 Mar 2020 3:25 pm » wrote: Sorry you gaping asshole.
You can't pin this one on Obama.
That **** ain't gonna fly.
Your Dear Leader **** up big time.
This is on him and no one else.
He fired the WH pandemic preparedness team, he ignored U.S. intelligence warnings about an impending pandemic, he failed to follow the NSC's pandemic playbook and he turned down the testing kits offered by the WHO.
None of that is Obama's fault.
https://www.snopes.com/collections/coro ... ion-trump/
27 Mar 2020 3:39 pm
Liberal "fact check" sources have become little more than liberal Fake News, psycho, about as reliable as the rest of your corrupt liberal MSM.Termin8tor » 27 Mar 2020 3:35 pm » wrote:
And if three years of non-stop Fake News, lies and **** haven't hurt Trump, nothing will except his own actions.
I deleted the rest of the OFT REPEATED LIES you tell. You being this with another EXCUSE for why you attack LEGITIMATE SOURCES. Because you HATE REALITY. you dont attack them because they LIE but because they wont tell the LIES you want to hear which we SHOW when you use YOUR sources and the fact check sites show they use fake news LIE dont pass fact checks and basically have ZERO CREDIBILITY your real problem is not with FACT CHECKERS it is with FACTS with the TRUTH with REALITY. WE have SHOWN this then you tell a LIE again that you KNOW is a LIE. You hare FACT CHECK sites because you HATE FACTS you think fact check sites are liberal because you think FACTS are liberal. GOD you are STUPID
The media has NOT been LYING about Trump which is why you NEVER even TRY to show a SINGLE LIE told by the media about Trump they ate telling the TRUTH about him and THAT is what you HATE what you WANT is for them to tell the LIES you tell about him. TRAITOR
I could post AGAIN the PROOF of what a LIAR you are and how the media was RIGHT about Trump but why bother you are a GUTLESS COWARD who just runs way from the FACTS anyway
27 Mar 2020 4:13 pm
You are too STUPID to even understand the CONCEPT of integrity TRAITOR which is why you RUN from the substance and BEATDOWNS you get EVERY SINGLE DAY . Everyone can see that you QUOTED my post and didn't even TRY to address the substance of it since you are both FAR TOO STUPID and just flat out too much of a GUTLESS COWARD while you BLEAT LIES like the trained sheep you are TRAITORTermin8tor » 27 Mar 2020 3:38 pm » wrote:
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27 Mar 2020 7:33 pm
You are a PROVEN LIAR like your GOD Trump and you are a TRAITOR all of you Treason Monkeys owe America an apology for your LIES about this virus Trump said it was a hoax, Yes MORONS we know he didnt mean the EXISTANCE of the virus was a hoax but what he DID mean that the Democrats warning us how DANGEROUS it was that was a hoax which we now KNOW IT WAS NOT. All you Treason monkeys were downplaying the danger and PEOPLE HAVE DIED and more WILL DIE because we are only catching up instead of being ahead of this.
Trump got RID of the machinery Obama put in place to deal with EXACTLY this kind of thing. If no one could have seen it coming why did Obama MAKE a pandemic preparedness group that Trump got rid of?
Treason Monkeys are LIARS its that simple they owe all of America and APOLOGY H8er is just an extreme example since he is also a TRAITOR but when you see a Treason Monkey he is probably :LYING
28 Mar 2020 7:32 am
And now their treason is KILLING PEOPLE.solon » 27 Mar 2020 7:33 pm » wrote:
You are a PROVEN LIAR like your GOD Trump and you are a TRAITOR all of you Treason Monkeys owe America an apology for your LIES about this virus Trump said it was a hoax, Yes MORONS we know he didnt mean the EXISTANCE of the virus was a hoax but what he DID mean that the Democrats warning us how DANGEROUS it was that was a hoax which we now KNOW IT WAS NOT. All you Treason monkeys were downplaying the danger and PEOPLE HAVE DIED and more WILL DIE because we are only catching up instead of being ahead of this.
Trump got RID of the machinery Obama put in place to deal with EXACTLY this kind of thing. If no one could have seen it coming why did Obama MAKE a pandemic preparedness group that Trump got rid of?
Treason Monkeys are LIARS its that simple they owe all of America and APOLOGY H8er is just an extreme example since he is also a TRAITOR but when you see a Treason Monkey he is probably :LYING
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