Flying Monkeys
By Nobody
11 Mar 2011 1:42 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
24 Sep 2020 3:07 pm
I don't know about Michigan because it's being fought in the courts, but I'm pretty sure Wisconsin doesn't have universal mail-in voting, and I know for damn sure that Pennsylvania does not, because I live there, and I had to apply for a mail-in ballot.Termin8tor » 24 Sep 2020, 2:27 pm » wrote: ↑Michigan is also mass mailing ballots, and if I recall Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Stop posting lies and **** in my thread and I won't move your **** to the PG.
24 Sep 2020 4:04 pm
What proof do you have that Wisconsin has universal mail in voting?Termin8tor » 24 Sep 2020, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑And Wisconsin is mass mailing ballots.Misty » 24 Sep 2020, 3:07 pm » wrote: ↑ I don't know about Michigan because it's being fought in the courts, but I'm pretty sure Wisconsin doesn't have universal mail-in voting, and I know for damn sure that Pennsylvania does not, because I live there, and I had to apply for a mail-in ballot.
Stop posting lies and **** in my thread and I won't move your **** to the PG.
What were you saying about lies and ****?
And what about Pennsylvania?
That was a lie.
You have to APPLY for a ballot.
How to vote by mail in your state.
24 Sep 2020 6:48 pm
I SMELL A TRUMP FALSE FLAG OPERATION
Feds, In Unusual Statement, Announce They're Investigating Discarded Ballots
The FBI and the U.S. attorney for the Middle District of Pennsylvania said they are investigating "potential issues with a small number of mail-in ballots at the Luzerne County Board of Elections," according to a statement Thursday.
Authorities said that they had recovered nine military ballots that had been discarded and that seven of the ballots had been cast for President Trump.
Two ballots had been resealed in envelopes and are in the custody of federal investigators.
Pennsylvania State Police and the FBI have been working to get answers and have been conducting interviews, the statement said.
The potential voting irregularities in Pennsylvania came to light after Trump mentioned them, offhand, in an interview with a Fox radio host Thursday.
"We have to be very careful with the ballots," the president told reporters later, according to a news pool report.
He described what he called a "scam" where ballots had been found in the trash.
The president has been criticizing the integrity of this year's election for months.
"We want to make sure the election is honest, and I'm not sure that it can be," Trump continued.
Discovery by local officials
Luzerne County Elections Director Shelby Watchilla discovered the ballots described as "discarded" last week, officials said in a separate announcement.
There were no additional details, but the county's statement said the matter was immediately reported to authorities.
Luzerne County District Attorney Stefanie Salavantis then asked U.S. Attorney David J. Freed to investigate, according to the Justice Department's statement.
That led to the involvement of the FBI.
County workers opened the ballots "improperly," which is how authorities know for whom they were cast, a spokesperson for the U.S. attorney's office told reporter Emily Previti of NPR member station WITF in Harrisburg, Pa.
Why did the office announce that and, more broadly, the existence of an ongoing investigation — which the Justice Department typically does not address unless it leads to charges?
The U.S. attorney's office said it had no further comment.
Salavantis leads a working group on the Presidential Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice, which is spearheaded by Attorney General Bill Barr.
Highly unusual situation
Voting rights experts and Justice Department veterans immediately reacted to the unusual press statement from U.S. Attorney Freed.
Justin Levitt, a law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the timing of the announcement alone raises many questions.
"It is the vital duty of government not to announce partial facts and 'potential issues' in pending investigations," Levitt said in an email interview.
"Indeed, it's quite improper to announce the fact of an inquiry.
And grotesquely improper to announce whom the ballots were cast for, as if that mattered in the investigation."
On the other hand, Levitt said, it would not be improper to investigate if local officials were refusing to set aside and count valid ballots.
But it's not clear that's what happened, he added.
Levitt said the Trump Justice Department had issued guidance in 2017 requiring that "any criminal investigation by the department must be conducted in a way that minimizes the likelihood that the investigation itself may become a factor in the election."
Matt Wolking, who handles rapid-response communications for the Trump campaign, highlighted the probe and concluded, "Democrats are trying to steal the election."
The Pennsylvania county where authorities said they are investigating the ballots supported Trump in the 2016 election.
Matthew Miller, a former press spokesman for President Barack Obama's Justice Department, said in a tweet that the U.S. attorney's news release amounted to an "in kind contribution" to the Trump reelection campaign since it amplified the president's allegations about the dangers of mail-in voting during the coronavirus pandemic.
David Thornburgh, who heads the nonpartisan election watchdog group Committee of Seventy, told reporter Katie Meyer of NPR member station WHYY in Philadelphia that Freed's release left him a bit nonplussed.
Because the U.S. attorney's office offered so few details about the situation in Luzerne County, Thornburgh said he's concerned voters might conclude the situation is much worse than it actually is and wrongly conclude there could be wider problems, based on an anecdotal example.
"You have to be on the lookout for breakdowns in the system, but we have to be careful not to extrapolate from single-digit incidents to more systemic problems," he said.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/24/91663392 ... pa-ballots
Feds, In Unusual Statement, Announce They're Investigating Discarded Ballots
The FBI and the U.S. attorney for the Middle District of Pennsylvania said they are investigating "potential issues with a small number of mail-in ballots at the Luzerne County Board of Elections," according to a statement Thursday.
Authorities said that they had recovered nine military ballots that had been discarded and that seven of the ballots had been cast for President Trump.
Two ballots had been resealed in envelopes and are in the custody of federal investigators.
Pennsylvania State Police and the FBI have been working to get answers and have been conducting interviews, the statement said.
The potential voting irregularities in Pennsylvania came to light after Trump mentioned them, offhand, in an interview with a Fox radio host Thursday.
"We have to be very careful with the ballots," the president told reporters later, according to a news pool report.
He described what he called a "scam" where ballots had been found in the trash.
The president has been criticizing the integrity of this year's election for months.
"We want to make sure the election is honest, and I'm not sure that it can be," Trump continued.
Discovery by local officials
Luzerne County Elections Director Shelby Watchilla discovered the ballots described as "discarded" last week, officials said in a separate announcement.
There were no additional details, but the county's statement said the matter was immediately reported to authorities.
Luzerne County District Attorney Stefanie Salavantis then asked U.S. Attorney David J. Freed to investigate, according to the Justice Department's statement.
That led to the involvement of the FBI.
County workers opened the ballots "improperly," which is how authorities know for whom they were cast, a spokesperson for the U.S. attorney's office told reporter Emily Previti of NPR member station WITF in Harrisburg, Pa.
Why did the office announce that and, more broadly, the existence of an ongoing investigation — which the Justice Department typically does not address unless it leads to charges?
The U.S. attorney's office said it had no further comment.
Salavantis leads a working group on the Presidential Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice, which is spearheaded by Attorney General Bill Barr.
Highly unusual situation
Voting rights experts and Justice Department veterans immediately reacted to the unusual press statement from U.S. Attorney Freed.
Justin Levitt, a law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the timing of the announcement alone raises many questions.
"It is the vital duty of government not to announce partial facts and 'potential issues' in pending investigations," Levitt said in an email interview.
"Indeed, it's quite improper to announce the fact of an inquiry.
And grotesquely improper to announce whom the ballots were cast for, as if that mattered in the investigation."
On the other hand, Levitt said, it would not be improper to investigate if local officials were refusing to set aside and count valid ballots.
But it's not clear that's what happened, he added.
Levitt said the Trump Justice Department had issued guidance in 2017 requiring that "any criminal investigation by the department must be conducted in a way that minimizes the likelihood that the investigation itself may become a factor in the election."
Matt Wolking, who handles rapid-response communications for the Trump campaign, highlighted the probe and concluded, "Democrats are trying to steal the election."
The Pennsylvania county where authorities said they are investigating the ballots supported Trump in the 2016 election.
Matthew Miller, a former press spokesman for President Barack Obama's Justice Department, said in a tweet that the U.S. attorney's news release amounted to an "in kind contribution" to the Trump reelection campaign since it amplified the president's allegations about the dangers of mail-in voting during the coronavirus pandemic.
David Thornburgh, who heads the nonpartisan election watchdog group Committee of Seventy, told reporter Katie Meyer of NPR member station WHYY in Philadelphia that Freed's release left him a bit nonplussed.
Because the U.S. attorney's office offered so few details about the situation in Luzerne County, Thornburgh said he's concerned voters might conclude the situation is much worse than it actually is and wrongly conclude there could be wider problems, based on an anecdotal example.
"You have to be on the lookout for breakdowns in the system, but we have to be careful not to extrapolate from single-digit incidents to more systemic problems," he said.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/24/91663392 ... pa-ballots
24 Sep 2020 8:19 pm
Really Lindsey?President Donald Trump refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose the upcoming election, but one of his staunchest allies, South Carolina’s U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, promised that Republicans would accept whatever the outcome is come November.
During a Thursday morning appearance on Fox and Friends, one of the president’s regularly watched shows, Graham told hosts that any transition of power would be peaceful.
“And people wonder about the peaceful transfer of power. I assure you, it will be peaceful,” Graham said.
“Now, we may have litigation about who won the election, but the court will decide, and if the Republicans lose, we will accept that result.”
Can we use your words against you?
And should we save the tape you **** liar?
24 Sep 2020 8:46 pm
Justice Dept. statement on mail-in ballot investigation appalls election law experts.
The Justice Department alarmed voting-law experts Thursday by announcing an investigation into nine discarded ballots found in northeastern Pennsylvania, a case immediately seized upon by the Trump campaign as evidence of a dark Democratic conspiracy to tamper with the presidential election.
President Trump also appeared to cite the case, telling reporters at the White House that ballots had been found “in a wastepaper basket in some location. . . . We want to make sure that the election is honest, and I’m not sure that it can be.”
The president’s comments marked his latest attempt to stoke uncertainty and alarm about the legitimacy of the upcoming election.
Trump appeared to be referring to a statement issued by David J. Freed, the U.S. attorney in the Middle District of Pennsylvania, saying that he was overseeing an investigation into nine discarded military mail-in ballots in Wilkes-Barre area.
Freed said the Luzerne County district attorney requested an FBI investigation into reports of problems with a small number of mail-in ballots.
“At this point we can confirm that a small number of military ballots were discarded. . . . Of the nine ballots that were discarded and then recovered, 7 were cast for presidential candidate Donald Trump. Two of the discarded ballots had been resealed inside their appropriate envelopes by Luzerne elections staff prior to recovery by the FBI and the contents of those 2 ballots are unknown.”
When Freed first announced the case, he had said that all nine were cast for Trump. He said agents are still investigating the circumstances.
Before the U.S. attorney’s statement, White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany told reporters that there would be an announcement about the case. “I can confirm for you that Trump ballots, ballots for the president, were found in Pennsylvania and I believe you should be getting more information on that shortly,” she said.
A statement issued by the local district attorney earlier in the week expressed confidence that the investigation would be “successfully resolved so it will not have an impact on the integrity of the election process,” a degree of assurance absent from the U.S. attorney’s announcement.
A spokesperson for Freed did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.
Election law experts were stunned at the nature of the Justice Department statement.
“It’s wildly improper, and it’s truly unconscionable,” said Justin Levitt, a former Justice Department official who is now a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
Levitt said that the investigation itself is worthwhile but that it was a baldly political move to announce the probe with partial facts — which officials then had to scramble to correct — while describing which candidate was selected on the ballots.
“That is the tell, and it says this was not an act of law enforcement, this was a campaign act, and it should mean the end of the career of whoever approved the statement,” said Levitt.
Richard L. Hasen, an election law professor at University of California at Irvine, said he could not recall ever seeing such an announcement.
“The Justice Department should not be a political tool, and this is a story that is going to be manipulated by the president to say his votes are being thrown out,” Hasen said.
Soon after the U.S. attorney’s statement was issued, the Trump campaign cited the case as evidence “Democrats are trying to steal the election.”
Earlier in the day, FBI Director Christopher A. Wray tried to reassure a Senate committee that although there are occasional instances of small-scale, local ballot fraud, the United States has not experienced an instance of widespread voter fraud by mail.
“We have not seen historically any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it’s by mail or otherwise” Wray said, though he added that fraud has been detected “at the local level from time to time.”
Changing the outcome of a federal election “would be a major challenge for an adversary,” he said, adding that the FBI “would investigate seriously” if it saw indications of such an effort.
24 Sep 2020 8:49 pm
Misty » 27 Aug 2020, 7:56 pm » wrote: ↑ Trump's super spreader event has started.
No testing, no masks, no social distancing.
What could possibly go wrong?
People will get sick and people will die because Mango Unchained insists on feeding his ego with an adoring crowd cheering for him.
Ask Herman Cain.
Someone said that the difference between religion and a cult is that in a religion your savior will die for you, but in a cult you will die for your savior.
The only time such behavior is safe is during race riots.
Right?
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
24 Sep 2020 8:50 pm
The protests are outdoors and the protesters wear masks.Cannonpointer » 24 Sep 2020, 8:49 pm » wrote: ↑The only time such behavior is safe is during race riots.Misty » 27 Aug 2020, 7:56 pm » wrote: ↑ Trump's super spreader event has started.
No testing, no masks, no social distancing.
What could possibly go wrong?
People will get sick and people will die because Mango Unchained insists on feeding his ego with an adoring crowd cheering for him.
Ask Herman Cain.
Someone said that the difference between religion and a cult is that in a religion your savior will die for you, but in a cult you will die for your savior.
Right?
24 Sep 2020 8:51 pm
24 Sep 2020 8:56 pm
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When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
24 Sep 2020 9:19 pm
Why are they wearing sports jerseys?Cannonpointer » 24 Sep 2020, 8:56 pm » wrote: ↑
25 Sep 2020 7:11 am
You know how minorities are about their sports. They have so much leisure in the U.S. that they are able devote their lives to sporting.
This tiff can be put to rest with more free stuff.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
25 Sep 2020 3:02 pm
25 Sep 2020 3:34 pm
New York is doing okay now and still hasn’t fully reopened.Termin8tor » 25 Sep 2020, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑What's Florida's mortality rate compared to Cuomo's, psycho?Misty » 25 Sep 2020, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑ This should go well.
Breaking; Gov DeSantis announces he's lifting all Covid restrictions on Florida restaurants.
What's Georgia's?
Texas's?
I'll wait.
Forever.
Cases are on the rise in Florida.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... -progress/
Stupid time to lift all restrictions on restaurants.
Bars and restaurants are where the virus spreads very easily.
25 Sep 2020 4:09 pm
I'm not going to waste my time looking up the mortality rates for three different states.Termin8tor » 25 Sep 2020, 3:48 pm » wrote: ↑Why didn't you answer the question, psycho?
OK is meaningless when referring to deaths. After all your shrieking against Trump, I thought you were concerned about deaths.
What specifically are the mortality rates for those states?
If you know what they are, why didn't you post them?
Anyway, mortality rates have nothing to do with this.
DeSantis is opening restaurants up at 100% capacity while cases are ticking up.
That's just plain stupid.
Bars and restaurants are super spreader locations.
Florida had 117 deaths yesterday.
New York had 2.
25 Sep 2020 4:16 pm
Highly astute my ***.Termin8tor » 25 Sep 2020, 4:08 pm » wrote: ↑ As the highly astute Dr. Atlas and others have noted, more deaths might be caused by the lockdowns than by the virus itself.
He is a radiologist with no background in infectious diseases at all.
And he is a proponent of herd immunity, which Trump is now too.
Or as he calls it, herd mentality.
First of all we still don't know if people are immune once they have had the virus.
There have been cases of re-infection.
And secondly even if people are immune, 70% of the population would have to be infected to achieve herd immunity.
And the death rate is 2.97%.
You do the math and get back to me on how many millions of people would have to die to achieve HI.
25 Sep 2020 4:35 pm
Commentary?Termin8tor » 25 Sep 2020, 4:29 pm » wrote: ↑Yes, highly astute. Atlas has offered just about the best overall commentary I've seen on Covid and the overall issue of health as impacted.Misty » 25 Sep 2020, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑Highly astute my ***.
He is a radiologist with no background in infectious diseases at all.
You're judging him on his commentary and not his medical expertise?
I can't with this ****.
You have been gaslighted and brainwashed so much you sound like a **** moron.
Stop wasting my time with this nonsense.
25 Sep 2020 4:38 pm
Life and death issues?Termin8tor » 25 Sep 2020, 4:35 pm » wrote: ↑ What kind of demented wackjob censors information about life and death issues?
Wackjob
This is a **** internet political forum.
You're **** nuts.
GTFO of my thread you gaping asshole.
25 Sep 2020 4:41 pm
He doesn't have any medical expertise on infectious diseases you jackass.Termin8tor » 25 Sep 2020, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑The commentary IS BASED ON HIS MEDICAL EXPERTISE about the disease.Misty » 25 Sep 2020, 4:35 pm » wrote: ↑ Commentary?
You're judging him on his commentary and not his medical expertise?
He's a **** radiologist.
25 Sep 2020 4:45 pm
Thread is locked because Clem just won't quit.
He posted 18 times in this thread today.
I don’t want to spend all of my time here replying to his crap.
He posted 18 times in this thread today.
I don’t want to spend all of my time here replying to his crap.
25 Sep 2020 6:15 pm
1. The AG had no business giving that information to a candidate to use.Barr briefed Trump on investigation into discarded Pennsylvania ballots
The president then revealed the investigation in an interview with Fox News.
A Justice Department official told ABC News Friday that Attorney General William Barr personally briefed President Donald Trump about the DOJ's investigation into a small number of ballots in Pennsylvania that were found to be discarded, prior to the information being made public by a U.S. attorney's office Thursday afternoon.
President Trump went on to first reveal the investigation in an interview with Fox News Radio, where he, without evidence, argued that it bolsters his baseless claims of widespread fraud in mail-in voting.
"They were Trump ballots -- eight ballots in an office yesterday in -- but in a certain state and they were -- they had Trump written on it, and they were thrown in a garbage can. This is what’s going to happen," Trump said in the interview. "This is what’s going to happen, and we’re investigating that."
But a press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Middle District of Pennsylvania, which announced the investigation in a press release later in the day, made no explicit mention of "fraud."
The office said it "began an inquiry into reports of potential issues with a small number of mail-in ballots at the Luzerne County Board of Elections," and discovered nine ballots in a dumpster which were cast for Trump.
The office later corrected that number to seven and said two others were resealed inside their proper envelope.
The investigation remains ongoing, but the U.S. attorney's office in a letter to the Luzerne County Board of Elections raised the specter that the improperly opened envelopes could possibly be the result of an administrative error.
"Our investigation has revealed that all or nearly all envelopes received in the elections office were opened as a matter of course," U.S. attorney David Freed said.
"It was explained to investigators the envelopes used for official overseas, military, absentee and mail-in ballot requests are so similar, that the staff believed that adhering to the protocol of preserving envelopes unopened would cause them to miss such ballot requests."
According to the Pennsylvania Election Code, ballot envelopes cannot be opened until the canvass is under way, and it is incumbent on counties to properly store and maintain the security of returned ballots.
The series of events raised alarm among critics of the White House who accused the Justice Department of using an ongoing investigation to politically boost President Trump.
"This is an ongoing investigation where there is no public interest reason to override the usual policy of not commenting -- and especially not to say for whom the ballots were cast.
An unprecedented in kind contribution to the president's campaign," Matthew Miller, the former director of the Justice Department's public affairs office, said on Twitter.
A DOJ official told ABC News that the department was in touch with the White House on Thursday about the investigation as reporters were continuing to seek information on what the president was referring to in his interview with Fox News.
Prior to the news release from the U.S. attorneys office, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany previewed in her press briefing that more information on the investigation would be forthcoming.
Barr was made aware of the investigation after a number of local media outlets in Pennsylvania began reaching out to the U.S. attorney's office for more information and they sought guidance from Main Justice over how to respond, the official said.
"I can confirm for you that Trump ballots, ballots for the president were found in Pennsylvania," McEnany said.
"I believe you should be getting more information on that shortly. Here in the last 24 hours, they were found cast aside."
Shortly after the announcement from the U.S. attorneys office, the White House and President Trump's campaign latched onto the investigation as proof behind the susceptibility of mail-in voting to rampant fraud.
"Democrats are trying to steal the election," Matt Wolking, the deputy director of communications and rapid response with the Trump campaign, tweeted falsely.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/barr-br ... d=73244344
2. The U.S. attorney violated DOJ guidelines by making the fact that an investigation was started public.
3. The U.S. attorney's press release made no mention of fraud, but Trump, his press secretary and his campaign all said that this was proof of rampant voter fraud, before any of the facts were known.
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