Flying Monkeys
By Nobody
11 Mar 2011 1:42 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
20 Oct 2020 12:29 pm
Do you really not understand that it is illegal to take any kind of election help from a foreign government?Termin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑Well gosh, are you saying that if Guliani receives evidence of massive corruption and criminal wrongdoing by high former US officials and their family, he's not supposed to do anything?Misty » 20 Oct 2020, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑Andriy Derkach is an independent member of Ukraine’s parliament who has caught Giuliani’s eye by pushing for his own government to investigate former vice president Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden.
Are you really that stupid?
FEC chair Ellen Weintraub: “It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.
This is not a novel concept. Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”
20 Oct 2020 12:41 pm
Termin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 12:34 pm » wrote: ↑ .
What a GUTLESSCOWARD you are you NEVER even TRY to substantiate the LIES you continually tell EVER. You run AWAY from the FACTS that prove you are a LIAR what happened to that unmasking investigation you kept saying was going to get so many Democrats indicted? NOTHING WRONG HAPPENED andyou LIED about that for MONTHS and then ran away sobbing like the coward you are when its brought up NOW
And Hunter Biden's laptop has been confirmed as his and the email chain confirmed.
YOu are a LIAR no such thing has happened. This is you telling MORE LIES for Putin. You have one person CLAIMING something
Joe Biden sold out the country for half the Biden Crime Family's grift.
YOu are aLIAR no such thing has been shown all you do is tell LIES because you are a TRAITOR
How many million Americans lost their jobs because of what he did
NONE how many lost their jobs because of Trumps FAILUURE and LIES handling the COVID Crisis? How many Americans DIED because of Trumps LIES and incompetence handling COVID? How many MORE Americans WILL DIE because of Trumps LIES and incompetence?
You are a LIAR and a TRAITOR
20 Oct 2020 12:43 pm
Will Pompeo also be releasing the official government emails that Ivanka Trump sent on her personal email account, or the encrypted WhatsApp messages her husband sent to MBS?Termin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑Yeah, the illegally deleted emails that Pompeio will be releasing soon.Misty » 20 Oct 2020, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑Last time it was her emails and this time it's his son's emails.
You're going to get Carpel Tunnel Syndrome lying in denial of what they'll contain.
You know, MBS the guy who had Jamal Khashoggi chopped into pieces with a bone saw?
This family keeps really good company, don't they?
Russian spies and murderers.
Keep talking about Biden being corrupt.
It only helps to draw comparisons and remind us who the real corrupt person is along with his whole corrupt family.
While I was typing this post, three more notifications have popped up saying that you quoted me in this thread.
Tell me again how you are not an obsessive freak?
I am not going to spend all of my time on this forum just replying to you.
You just wasted a whole lot of your own time.
Your **** is going straight to the PG.
20 Oct 2020 12:46 pm
That's not a talking point you gaping asshole.Termin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑Yes, that's the Official Democrat Talking Lie you claim never to spread.Misty » 20 Oct 2020, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑ Do you really not understand that it is illegal to take any kind of election help from a foreign government?
Are you really that stupid?
FEC chair Ellen Weintraub: “It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.
This is not a novel concept. Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”
It's the **** law.
Maybe because that never happened.Termin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑ Funny how Swamp member Weintraub never spoke out when Obama got information from abroad, including Ukraine.
20 Oct 2020 1:02 pm
Termin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑
to hide the truth.
You are too STUPID to know reality if it bit your nutsack allyou do is tell LIES for Russian Military Intelligence
Funny how Swamp member Weintraub never spoke out when Obama got information from abroad, including Ukraine.
Sending YOUR People to get information from a place is not the same thing as ACCEPTING lies and disinformation from a countries Military Intelligence My GOD you are STUPID
Hillary Clinton from Ukraine, England and oh, a suspected Russian spy.
You are a LIAR Steele was a RUSSIA EXPERT from M-I5 who used HIS SOURCES to get raw intelligence the kind of thing Intelligence agencies expect to be about 70% accurate. Why do you TreasonMonkeys LIE so much?
The DNC from Ukraine.
White House official from Ukraine.
The whole it was UKRAINE talking point is STRAIGHT from Russian Milittary Intelligence TRAITOR This was all reported in the NYTimes AND the Atlantic as well as brought up in TESTIMONY in front of the House intelligence comittee from Russia expert Fiona Hill
20 Oct 2020 1:28 pm
You are aLIAR Inanka HAS used her position as first daughter to enrich hereself which I have already talked about several times and BIDEN did no such THING yo u are a LIAR who thinks if you keep telling the same LIE over and over without any ATTEMPT to substantiate your LIES they will magically become true they will NOT you are a LIAR and a TRAITORTermin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑ Ivanka Trump didn't collect $1 BILLION by grifting US taxpayer money, favors and foreign policy with her serial rapist
husband.
We sill SEE what Emails or LIES Putin will have you telling us NEXT TRAITOR what happened to that unmasking intestigation you LIED about for months? Oh yeah NO WRONGDOING WAS CHARED you are juat aLIAR and a TRAITOR who lied about it for MONTHS TRAITOR
20 Oct 2020 1:41 pm
You are not seriously saying that to me, are you?
You're the King of changing the subject in my threads.
No, she only got a whole bunch of Chinese trademarks.Termin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑ Ivanka Trump didn't collect $1 BILLION by grifting US taxpayer money, favors and foreign policy with her serial rapist husband.
Who knows how much those will be worth.
So no comment on Kushner schmoozing with MBS on an encrypted app?
What do you think he is talking to him about that he doesn't want us to know about?
I get that you don't want to talk about that family of grifters.
It doesn't fit your narrative.
Don't worry Precious.
All the dirt on the Trump Crime Family will eventually come out.
20 Oct 2020 1:47 pm
Did I ever say that Biden is going to win in a huge landslide?
No, I did not.
So why do you keep dishonestly pretending that I did by repeating that ****?
Because you're a degenerate lying piece of ****, that's why.
20 Oct 2020 1:54 pm
YOu rae a LIAR and I have PROVEN it you are a TRAITOR and a coward who keeps running AWAY from the INDISPUTABLE FACTS that PROVE you are a LIAR
https://time.com/5746639/inspector-gene ...
/Inspector General Finds FBI Probe into Trump Campaign Was Justified, But Not Perfect
In a highly anticipated report released Monday, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz determined that the FBI had adequate cause in July 2016 to justify opening an investigation into links between the Trump campaign and Russia and did not find hard evidence of political bias in that decision, undermining allegations by President Trump and his allies that the bureau acted improperly in launching the probe.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... e-n1237184Trump’s campaign chairman was consorting with a Russia spyThe report says — in a first — that Konstantin Kilimnik, an associate of then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, was a “Russian intelligence officer.” It also says Manafort was meeting regularly and sharing information with Kilimnik, including internal Trump campaign polling data.
The idea that Ukraine interfered in the campaign originated with Russian intelligenceKilimnick, a Russian intelligence operative, “almost certainly helped arrange some of the first public messaging” that Ukraine interfered in the election, an idea that Trump embraced, the report said. One example cited was his email to a Financial Times reporter, who subsequently wrote a story headlined, “Ukraine's leaders campaign against 'pro-Putin' Trump
.”Carter Page may have been wronged by the FBI, but the committee found him suspiciousThe Justice Department inspector general found that the FBI made serious errors in applying for surveillance on Page, a former Trump campaign aide, and an FBI lawyer had admitted to a crime as a result. Page was never charged in the investigation, but the committee was not pleased with what he had to say to lawmakers. FBI scrutiny of Page was justified, the report says.
Address the FACTS or STFU gutlesscoward
20 Oct 2020 2:38 pm
Gutlesscoward H8er just telling STUPID LIES that no rational human could take seriously still RUNNING AWAY like the COWARD you are from theI INDISPUTABLE FACTS I have cited that PROVE you are a LIAR....TRAITOR
20 Oct 2020 2:44 pm
Spamming again I see GUTLESSCOWARD and TRAITOR
Trump is virtually NEVER right you are just a LIAR and the media is NOT dishonestly attacking Atlas he is a HACK . He is a RACIOlOGIST who has NO expertise in infectuous disease thats right a GLORIFIED Xtray tech is spewing LIES and rightwing stupidity for Trump and GUTLESS COWARDS and TRAITORS like you aer WHINING thta the media is telling vicious TRUTHS about him
Trump is virtually NEVER right you are just a LIAR and the media is NOT dishonestly attacking Atlas he is a HACK . He is a RACIOlOGIST who has NO expertise in infectuous disease thats right a GLORIFIED Xtray tech is spewing LIES and rightwing stupidity for Trump and GUTLESS COWARDS and TRAITORS like you aer WHINING thta the media is telling vicious TRUTHS about him
20 Oct 2020 3:31 pm
This is Republicans' silly momentMisty » 20 Oct 2020, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑ Last time it was her emails and this time it's his son's emails.
20 Oct 2020 3:38 pm
Termin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑ .
Yeah, only silly people worry about how a presidential candidate enriched himself by 10's of millions of dollars given to him by the Biden Crime Family's grift.
And how he sold out the country in trade talks with China and elsewhere.
Can your software handle that?
Pack up
all Republicans
20 Oct 2020 4:04 pm
I have a great sense of humor, except there is nothing funny about having a wackjob like you fixating on me the way you do.Termin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑It's a joke, psycho. So much for the claim that you have a sense of humor.Misty » 20 Oct 2020, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑ Did I ever say that Biden is going to win in a huge landslide?
No, I did not.
So why do you keep dishonestly pretending that I did by repeating that ****?
Because you're a degenerate lying piece of ****, that's why.
It's **** creepy.
20 Oct 2020 4:06 pm
21 Oct 2020 11:31 am
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10 ... turns.htmlTermin8tor » 20 Oct 2020, 4:24 pm » wrote: ↑ .
Why aren't you concerned that your candidate sold out the country to enrich his entire Biden Crime Family, with him getting half the grift from them?
You are a LIAR that never happened you just kep tellig LIES about it for Putin and Russia TRAITOR
And that he sold out the country in the China trade negotiations, with the result that millions of Americans lost their jobs?
You are a LIAR that never happened but TRUMP got 17 million dollars in a very questionable way from a Chinese bankaccount
The Chinese bank account belongs to Trump’s subsidiary firm, Trump International Hotels Management. While in previous years the firm has reported small sums, in 2017 — Trump’s first year in office — it reported $17.5 million in revenue, a large spike.
22 Oct 2020 11:14 am
Another childish post full of LIES by a gutless coward who LIES every day for Russia and runs away from all FACTS and SUBSTANCE because you are a COWARD
22 Oct 2020 12:13 pm
22 Oct 2020 1:56 pm
You are a LIAR a TRAITOR and a GUTLESS COWARD you keep RUNNING AWAY from the FACTS but will TRUMP be able to run away from the question he is BOUND to be asked tonight about his SECRET Chinese bank account and the 17.5 MILLION dollars that mysteriously showed up there TRAITOR?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10 ... turns.html
The Chinese bank account belongs to Trump’s subsidiary firm, Trump International Hotels Management. While in previous years the firm has reported small sums, in 2017 — Trump’s first year in office — it reported $17.5 million in revenue, a large spike.
22 Oct 2020 5:17 pm
Alleged Hunter Biden Emails Circulated in Ukraine as Rudy Giuliani Dug for Dirt There Last Year
Explicit photos and emails purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden were circulating in Ukraine last year at the same time that Rudy Giuliani was searching for dirt there on former Vice President Joe Biden, two people approached about the material during that period tell TIME.
The emails’ alleged availability, which has not been previously reported, comes to light in the wake of Giuliani’s recent claims that he obtained private photos and emails of Hunter Biden from a broken laptop abandoned in Delaware.
Giuliani, who is President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, has passed this material to right-wing news outlets, which began publishing it last week.
Giuliani did not respond to requests for comment on the origins of the material he obtained.
Over the past year, the practice of selling or leaking private communications has become so common in Ukraine that the government has announced plans to pass a law against it.
Igor Novikov, a former adviser to Ukraine’s President who now researches disinformation, referred to the practice as Ukraine’s “national sport” in a recent interview with the Washington Post.
The two people who said they were approached with Hunter Biden’s alleged emails last year did not know whether any of them were real and they declined to identify who was behind the offers, the first of which came in late May 2019 and the second in mid-September 2019.
The two people said they could not confirm whether any of the material presented to them was the same as that which has been recently published in the U.S.
Last week the New York Post began publishing the material they obtained from Giuliani, and the sources and authenticity of the published emails has been hotly debated ever since.
Hunter Biden and his father’s presidential campaign have declined to comment on the leaks in detail or to address whether any of the published emails are genuine.
Hunter Biden has been unable to figure out where the material could have originated, says a person familiar with the situation.
Over the past week, Trump has used the leaks from Giuliani to fuel his claims of corruption against the Biden family.
The President called on Attorney General William Barr to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the material in the recent reports.
“We’ve got to get the attorney general to act,” Trump said in an interview with Fox on Tuesday, two days before he faces Biden in the final debate of the presidential race.
“He’s got to appoint somebody. This is major corruption, and this has to be known about before the election.”
One mystery that has surrounded Giuliani’s effort to aid Trump’s re-election bid is the original source of the photos and emails he has leaked to the New York Post.
No other news organization has been able to verify the contents of the leak.
The Biden campaign, along with U.S. national security officials and social media platforms, have warned that the leaked files could include forgeries meant to confuse or mislead voters in the final weeks of the campaign.
Experts on disinformation have also raised serious concerns about the leaks.
The two people who said they were approached about Hunter Biden’s photos and emails last year did not know whether they originated from the same source as those that Giuliani has since leaked to the media.
When the New York Post first published photos of Hunter Biden last week, “It brought back memories of the same information that was being introduced to us a year ago,” says the first person informed about the existence of this material.
In an interview with TIME, a second person described an offer that was made to him in Kyiv, Ukraine’s capital, in mid-September 2019.
This person declined the offer, he says, and only recalled it in detail when familiar-looking material was published in the New York Post last week.
This person alleges that the people offering this material had a buyer in mind for it: they said they wanted to sell it to Republican allies of President Trump.
Their asking price was $5 million, he says, adding: “I walked away from it, because it smelled awful.”
In its first report about Hunter Biden on Oct. 14, the New York Post published what it described in a headline as a “smoking gun email” dated April 2015 between Hunter Biden and an adviser to Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian gas company where Hunter Biden held a lucrative board seat while his father was Vice President.
The email, whose authenticity could not be independently confirmed, appeared to suggest that the adviser, Vadym Pozharskyi, had met and “spent some time” with Joe Biden, thanks to an introduction from Hunter Biden.
If the alleged meeting took place, it would seem to undercut the repeated claims from Biden and his son that they never discussed Burisma.
The Biden campaign has denied that any such meeting happened.
Amos Hochstein, who served as an adviser to Joe Biden on Ukrainian affairs in 2015, said the then-Vice President did not attend a meeting with Pozharskyi.
“He never met with Biden. Never,” Hochstein tells TIME.
During his travels in Europe last year, Giuliani met with a variety of Ukrainian politicians, businessmen and former law enforcement officers whom he has since described as “whistleblowers” and witnesses to the Biden family’s alleged corruption in Ukraine.
None of the accusations these sources made via Giuliani has stood up to public scrutiny, and no evidence has emerged of wrongdoing by Joe Biden in Ukraine.
When TIME asked Novikov, the former adviser to Ukraine’s President, about the alleged offers of access to Hunter Biden’s emails, Novikov said it would be “nothing new” for someone in Ukraine to market such material.
The trade in kompromat—a Russian word for “compromising material”—has gone into overdrive in Ukraine since last year, when the country became entangled in internal U.S. politics, especially during the impeachment inquiry against President Trump, Novikov says.
Various political operatives have rushed to answer Giuliani’s call for dirt on the Bidens, creating what Novikov called a “catalyst for disinformation.”
Any documents emerging from this trade should be treated with caution, he adds, because they are “extremely hard to verify, yet very easy to fake.”
Since the New York Post began publishing the purported emails and photos of Hunter Biden, federal investigators have tried to determine where the emails came from and whether they are linked to a foreign effort to influence the U.S. elections, according to an NBC News report published Oct. 15.
At the end of last year, Russia’s military intelligence service, known as the GRU, hacked into the computer systems of Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company, apparently aiming to steal its internal documents and communications, according to a report released by cyber security experts in January.
“It is significant because Burisma Holdings is publicly entangled in U.S. foreign and domestic politics,” wrote the experts from Area 1, a cyber security firm that was co-founded by a former hacker for the U.S. National Security Agency.
The January report warned that the hack of Burisma could be an “early warning” of Russia’s plans to interfere in the 2020 elections using the same techniques it used in 2016.
During a trip to Ukraine in December, Giuliani met with a Ukrainian lawmaker who has since been identified by the U.S. Treasury Department as an “active Russian agent” with longstanding ties to Russian intelligence services.
The lawmaker, Andrii Derkach, did not respond to messages seeking comment.
In a social media post on Monday, Derkach claimed that the “scandalous investigation” published in the New York Post would soon have a sequel based on a “second laptop” purportedly containing the private emails and photos of Hunter Biden.
“The facts confirming international corruption are stored on a second laptop,” Derkach wrote.
“These are not the last witnesses or the last laptop.”
Explicit photos and emails purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden were circulating in Ukraine last year at the same time that Rudy Giuliani was searching for dirt there on former Vice President Joe Biden, two people approached about the material during that period tell TIME.
The emails’ alleged availability, which has not been previously reported, comes to light in the wake of Giuliani’s recent claims that he obtained private photos and emails of Hunter Biden from a broken laptop abandoned in Delaware.
Giuliani, who is President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, has passed this material to right-wing news outlets, which began publishing it last week.
Giuliani did not respond to requests for comment on the origins of the material he obtained.
Over the past year, the practice of selling or leaking private communications has become so common in Ukraine that the government has announced plans to pass a law against it.
Igor Novikov, a former adviser to Ukraine’s President who now researches disinformation, referred to the practice as Ukraine’s “national sport” in a recent interview with the Washington Post.
The two people who said they were approached with Hunter Biden’s alleged emails last year did not know whether any of them were real and they declined to identify who was behind the offers, the first of which came in late May 2019 and the second in mid-September 2019.
The two people said they could not confirm whether any of the material presented to them was the same as that which has been recently published in the U.S.
Last week the New York Post began publishing the material they obtained from Giuliani, and the sources and authenticity of the published emails has been hotly debated ever since.
Hunter Biden and his father’s presidential campaign have declined to comment on the leaks in detail or to address whether any of the published emails are genuine.
Hunter Biden has been unable to figure out where the material could have originated, says a person familiar with the situation.
Over the past week, Trump has used the leaks from Giuliani to fuel his claims of corruption against the Biden family.
The President called on Attorney General William Barr to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the material in the recent reports.
“We’ve got to get the attorney general to act,” Trump said in an interview with Fox on Tuesday, two days before he faces Biden in the final debate of the presidential race.
“He’s got to appoint somebody. This is major corruption, and this has to be known about before the election.”
One mystery that has surrounded Giuliani’s effort to aid Trump’s re-election bid is the original source of the photos and emails he has leaked to the New York Post.
No other news organization has been able to verify the contents of the leak.
The Biden campaign, along with U.S. national security officials and social media platforms, have warned that the leaked files could include forgeries meant to confuse or mislead voters in the final weeks of the campaign.
Experts on disinformation have also raised serious concerns about the leaks.
The two people who said they were approached about Hunter Biden’s photos and emails last year did not know whether they originated from the same source as those that Giuliani has since leaked to the media.
When the New York Post first published photos of Hunter Biden last week, “It brought back memories of the same information that was being introduced to us a year ago,” says the first person informed about the existence of this material.
In an interview with TIME, a second person described an offer that was made to him in Kyiv, Ukraine’s capital, in mid-September 2019.
This person declined the offer, he says, and only recalled it in detail when familiar-looking material was published in the New York Post last week.
This person alleges that the people offering this material had a buyer in mind for it: they said they wanted to sell it to Republican allies of President Trump.
Their asking price was $5 million, he says, adding: “I walked away from it, because it smelled awful.”
In its first report about Hunter Biden on Oct. 14, the New York Post published what it described in a headline as a “smoking gun email” dated April 2015 between Hunter Biden and an adviser to Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian gas company where Hunter Biden held a lucrative board seat while his father was Vice President.
The email, whose authenticity could not be independently confirmed, appeared to suggest that the adviser, Vadym Pozharskyi, had met and “spent some time” with Joe Biden, thanks to an introduction from Hunter Biden.
If the alleged meeting took place, it would seem to undercut the repeated claims from Biden and his son that they never discussed Burisma.
The Biden campaign has denied that any such meeting happened.
Amos Hochstein, who served as an adviser to Joe Biden on Ukrainian affairs in 2015, said the then-Vice President did not attend a meeting with Pozharskyi.
“He never met with Biden. Never,” Hochstein tells TIME.
During his travels in Europe last year, Giuliani met with a variety of Ukrainian politicians, businessmen and former law enforcement officers whom he has since described as “whistleblowers” and witnesses to the Biden family’s alleged corruption in Ukraine.
None of the accusations these sources made via Giuliani has stood up to public scrutiny, and no evidence has emerged of wrongdoing by Joe Biden in Ukraine.
When TIME asked Novikov, the former adviser to Ukraine’s President, about the alleged offers of access to Hunter Biden’s emails, Novikov said it would be “nothing new” for someone in Ukraine to market such material.
The trade in kompromat—a Russian word for “compromising material”—has gone into overdrive in Ukraine since last year, when the country became entangled in internal U.S. politics, especially during the impeachment inquiry against President Trump, Novikov says.
Various political operatives have rushed to answer Giuliani’s call for dirt on the Bidens, creating what Novikov called a “catalyst for disinformation.”
Any documents emerging from this trade should be treated with caution, he adds, because they are “extremely hard to verify, yet very easy to fake.”
Since the New York Post began publishing the purported emails and photos of Hunter Biden, federal investigators have tried to determine where the emails came from and whether they are linked to a foreign effort to influence the U.S. elections, according to an NBC News report published Oct. 15.
At the end of last year, Russia’s military intelligence service, known as the GRU, hacked into the computer systems of Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company, apparently aiming to steal its internal documents and communications, according to a report released by cyber security experts in January.
“It is significant because Burisma Holdings is publicly entangled in U.S. foreign and domestic politics,” wrote the experts from Area 1, a cyber security firm that was co-founded by a former hacker for the U.S. National Security Agency.
The January report warned that the hack of Burisma could be an “early warning” of Russia’s plans to interfere in the 2020 elections using the same techniques it used in 2016.
During a trip to Ukraine in December, Giuliani met with a Ukrainian lawmaker who has since been identified by the U.S. Treasury Department as an “active Russian agent” with longstanding ties to Russian intelligence services.
The lawmaker, Andrii Derkach, did not respond to messages seeking comment.
In a social media post on Monday, Derkach claimed that the “scandalous investigation” published in the New York Post would soon have a sequel based on a “second laptop” purportedly containing the private emails and photos of Hunter Biden.
“The facts confirming international corruption are stored on a second laptop,” Derkach wrote.
“These are not the last witnesses or the last laptop.”
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