Flying Monkeys
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11 Mar 2011 1:42 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
17 Nov 2020 3:33 pm
He was already caught lying about his conversation with the Georgia Secretary of State.Termin8tor » 17 Nov 2020, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑He's going there because that's primarily where the election was stolen, psycho. They didn't need to cheat in NY or California.Graham is so worried about election integrity across the US that he is only contacting secretaries of state in Swing States that Trump lost.
lack of logic, blah, blah
....ignorant Trump supporters
Your source is too **** stupid to understand that logic.
Someone else was listening in on the call.
And now he lied again.
17 Nov 2020 3:37 pm
You have absolutely no proof that the SOS of Georgia is either incompetent or corrupt.Termin8tor » 17 Nov 2020, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑So freaking what? Politicians, especially incompetent and/or corrupt politicians lie all the time.Misty » 17 Nov 2020, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑ You do understand that they interviewed Raffensperger and quoted him directly, don't you?
You're just pulling that out of your *** you pathetic liar.
17 Nov 2020 8:30 pm
Misty » 15 Nov 2020, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑ Who is asking you to kneel for every black guy you meet on the street?
I have seen you deplore white folks defending their neighborhood from actual rioters.
I have seen you celebrate ****** defending their neighborhood from mere visitors.
I think it's fair to say YOU are. You, and your ilk.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
17 Nov 2020 8:43 pm
Misty » 15 Nov 2020, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑ Andy Ngo is another James O’Keefe who selectively edits videos.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... 03232?s=19
https://twitter.com/PhoenixLiberal1/sta ... 11297?s=19
And of course Trump re-Tweets the deceptively edited video to his millions of followers.
Everything I saw from BOTH sources was cowards attacking because they had the numbers, and even then, from the rear.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
17 Nov 2020 10:07 pm
17 Nov 2020 10:13 pm
If you are talking about the couple in St. Louis, those people were not actual rioters.Cannonpointer » 17 Nov 2020, 9:30 pm » wrote: ↑I have seen you deplore white folks defending their neighborhood from actual rioters.Misty » 15 Nov 2020, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑ Who is asking you to kneel for every black guy you meet on the street?
I have seen you celebrate ****** defending their neighborhood from mere visitors.
I think it's fair to say YOU are. You, and your ilk.
They were protesters marching to the mayor's house.
As for the ****** defending their neighborhood from visitors, I have no idea what you are talking about.
17 Nov 2020 10:15 pm
The guy who got knocked out was hardly an innocent victim.Cannonpointer » 17 Nov 2020, 9:43 pm » wrote: ↑Everything I saw from BOTH sources was cowards attacking because they had the numbers, and even then, from the rear.Misty » 15 Nov 2020, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑ Andy Ngo is another James O’Keefe who selectively edits videos.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... 03232?s=19
https://twitter.com/PhoenixLiberal1/sta ... 11297?s=19
And of course Trump re-Tweets the deceptively edited video to his millions of followers.
He was the aggressor.
17 Nov 2020 10:29 pm
You mean like your links to that conspiracy theory/hoax/FAKE News site Gatewaypundit?Termin8tor » 17 Nov 2020, 5:05 pm » wrote: ↑A psychopath like you shouldn't call anyone a liar, and if you ever followed my links, you'd see the evidence.Misty » 17 Nov 2020, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑ You have absolutely no proof that the SOS of Georgia is either incompetent or corrupt.
You're just pulling that out of your *** you pathetic liar.
No thanks.
So just as I suspected you pulled that **** about him taking a bribe out of your ***.Termin8tor » 17 Nov 2020, 5:05 pm » wrote: ↑ I didn't claim proof, just very strong evidence. He absolutely violated Georgia law and the US Constitution and betrayed not only his party and the country. It isn't much of a stretch for him to be a corrupt political hack who got paid off.
What law did he violate, and how did he violate the Constitution?
Raffensperger is a staunch Conservative who was endorsed by Trump himself in 2018.
You just don't like him because he won't help Trump steal the election.
No, because I don't want my signature thread filled with your disinformation, propaganda, **** and lies.Termin8tor » 17 Nov 2020, 5:05 pm » wrote: ↑
If you're so sure that my claims are false, why don't you stop censoring me?
Because you want to hide the truth.
17 Nov 2020 10:37 pm
Two people say Graham is lying, but you believe him.Termin8tor » 17 Nov 2020, 5:06 pm » wrote: ↑How do you know Hobbs isn't lying?Misty » 17 Nov 2020, 4:33 pm » wrote: ↑ He was already caught lying about his conversation with the Georgia Secretary of State.
Someone else was listening in on the call.
And now he lied again.
You don't, so as usual, you're full of crap.
What business does a Senator from SC have getting involved in Georgia's election anyway?
It's none of his **** business.
17 Nov 2020 10:46 pm
Unfortunatly we know EXACTLY why he phoned him and how disgusting it is that he just EXPECTED that since Georgias SOS was a Re[publian he would be FINE comitting ELECTION FRAUD. It is a sad day that we see a Senator call a state trying to conspire to commit ELECTION FRAUD to keep Trump in the White HouseMisty » 17 Nov 2020, 11:37 pm » wrote: ↑ Two people say Graham is lying, but you believe him.
What business does a Senator from SC have getting involved in Georgia's election anyway?
It's none of his **** business.
17 Nov 2020 10:52 pm
Rudy Giuliani and Trump’s last-stand push to overturn PA's election results get a frosty reception in court.
Seeking to inject some star power into his foundering legal effort to invalidate Pennsylvania’s election results, President Donald Trump handed the case to Rudy Giuliani on Tuesday.
But rather than salvage it, the former New York mayor found himself grilled for hours by a skeptical federal judge over his unsupported claims of a conspiracy to steal the election.
During a five-hour hearing in Williamsport, U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann appeared mystified as Giuliani asserted without evidence that a “Mafia-like” cabal of Democratic leaders in cities nationwide used mail ballots to rig the election in Joe Biden’s favor.
The judge seemed equally perplexed by the Trump campaign’s proposed remedy: that he should bar Pennsylvania from certifying its final vote tally.
“At bottom, you’re asking this court to invalidate some 6.8 million votes thereby disenfranchising every single voter in the commonwealth,” Brann said.
“Can you tell me how this result could possibly be justified?”
Giuliani, a last-minute addition to the Trump team’s legal roster for the pivotal hearing, personally presented the campaign’s arguments in court.
In the first federal case he has argued in nearly three decades, he varied between struggling, at times, to comprehend the judge’s questions on finer points of the law and boldly speculating, at others, about widespread fraud and malfeasance.
“If this is allowed without serious sanction, it’s going to become an epidemic,” Giuliani said.
“It’s already happened. You give them an inch, they’ll take a mile. They stole an election, at least in this commonwealth.”
As the hearing stretched into Tuesday night, Brann indicated that he did not intend to rule immediately and laid out a briefing schedule that would appear to preclude any decision in the case before Friday.
And yet, he canceled a planned hearing for Thursday in which Trump campaign lawyers had hoped to elicit testimony from witnesses who say they observed wrongdoing during the casting and counting of votes in seven Democratic-leaning counties, including Philadelphia and its suburbs.
“I don’t think there’s a need for a hearing at this juncture,” the judge said.
He cautioned, however: “I don’t want to sound like I’ve decided the matter yet.
I need to mull it over, frankly.”
Giuliani’s presence only underscored the importance the Trump campaign has placed on its case in Pennsylvania — one that increasingly appears to be the president’s last legal stand as judges in other battleground states have knocked down his lawsuits one-by-one.
But just as the case has grown in importance, so too has the margin of Trump’s Pennsylvania loss.
As of Tuesday evening, Biden held a 73,000-vote advantage with the count rapidly approaching its conclusion.
The Trump campaign’s central argument is that the entire process of casting and counting votes in Pennsylvania was so opaque and riddled with inconsistencies that no one can trust the outcome.
Yet all of the claims of fraud made Tuesday were speculative.
To date, Trump campaign lawyers have yet to lodge even one specific allegation — let alone provide evidence — of a ballot that was deliberately cast illegally.
Instead, it has zeroed in on counties, including Philadelphia, that contacted voters whose mail ballots were in danger of being disqualified due to deficiencies such as missing signatures or secrecy envelopes.
In some cases, county election officials — following guidance from Pennsylvania’s top elections official, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar — allowed voters to either correct those errors before Election Day or cast a provisional ballot in-person at the polls.
Trump campaign lawyers told Brann on Tuesday that the practice is unlawful and unfairly diluted votes in GOP-leaning counties that did not offer similar opportunities to their voters.
Trump campaign lawyers told Brann on Tuesday that the practice is unlawful and unfairly diluted votes in GOP-leaning counties that did not offer similar opportunities to their voters.
Boockvar’s lawyers contend that state election law does not prohibit counties from alerting voters when they file flawed ballots.
What’s more, they say, she issued the same guidance to all of Pennsylvania’s 67 counties encouraging them to follow this process.
“I say, ‘Hallelujuah!’ to Secretary Boockvar,” said Mark Aronchick, an attorney representing the counties.
“What in the world is wrong with telling counties they can advise voters that their mail ballot is rejected so they can go to the polls and exercise their right to have their vote counted? … That is a problem? Hardly.”
Giuliani also pressed the judge Tuesday to rule in their favor based on reports from campaign monitors who say they were prevented from “meaningfully” monitoring the counting of votes in Democratic-leaning counties, including Philadelphia.
There, GOP observers have complained they were kept behind waist-high metal barriers too far away from the tables where votes were being tallied to actually inspect the ballots.
But even as Giuliani was offering that argument in Brann’s court, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court issued a ruling undercutting it.
In a 5-2 decision, the state’s justices sided with the city, saying it had complied with state laws that require only that partisan monitors be granted access to counting rooms.
The statute does say anything about how closely they may observe the actual ballots being tallied.
Chief Justice Thomas G. Saylor, a Republican, dissented — but primarily to note that with the counting all but done in the state, the matter was moot.
Like Brann, he balked at the Trump campaign’s proposed solution to its perceived wrong.
“Short of demonstrated fraud, the notion that presumptively valid ballots cast by the Pennsylvania electorate would be disregarded based on isolated procedural irregularities … thus disenfranchising potentially thousands of voters is misguided,” he wrote.
Attorneys representing Boockvar and the defendant counties in the federal case quickly marshaled the ruling into their arguments in Brann’s courtroom.
“Mr. Giuliani’s witnesses had their right to observe,” Aronchick said.
“That’s over. End of story.”
As for the rest of the Trump campaign’s claims, Aronchick rebutted them all in a 30-minute presentation that rhetorically aimed for Giuliani’s jugular, accusing him at various points of being “ignorant” of the law, living in “some fantasy world,” and perpetuating wild conspiracy theories that were “disgraceful in an American courtroom.”
He argued the campaign had no standing or evidence to pursue its case any further and urged Brann to follow the lead of other judges across the country.
“Please dismiss this case so we can move on to the real business of this country,” Aronchick pleaded with the judge. “We need to get this election certified.”
https://www.inquirer.com/news/trump-pen ... 01117.html
Seeking to inject some star power into his foundering legal effort to invalidate Pennsylvania’s election results, President Donald Trump handed the case to Rudy Giuliani on Tuesday.
But rather than salvage it, the former New York mayor found himself grilled for hours by a skeptical federal judge over his unsupported claims of a conspiracy to steal the election.
During a five-hour hearing in Williamsport, U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann appeared mystified as Giuliani asserted without evidence that a “Mafia-like” cabal of Democratic leaders in cities nationwide used mail ballots to rig the election in Joe Biden’s favor.
The judge seemed equally perplexed by the Trump campaign’s proposed remedy: that he should bar Pennsylvania from certifying its final vote tally.
“At bottom, you’re asking this court to invalidate some 6.8 million votes thereby disenfranchising every single voter in the commonwealth,” Brann said.
“Can you tell me how this result could possibly be justified?”
Giuliani, a last-minute addition to the Trump team’s legal roster for the pivotal hearing, personally presented the campaign’s arguments in court.
In the first federal case he has argued in nearly three decades, he varied between struggling, at times, to comprehend the judge’s questions on finer points of the law and boldly speculating, at others, about widespread fraud and malfeasance.
“If this is allowed without serious sanction, it’s going to become an epidemic,” Giuliani said.
“It’s already happened. You give them an inch, they’ll take a mile. They stole an election, at least in this commonwealth.”
As the hearing stretched into Tuesday night, Brann indicated that he did not intend to rule immediately and laid out a briefing schedule that would appear to preclude any decision in the case before Friday.
And yet, he canceled a planned hearing for Thursday in which Trump campaign lawyers had hoped to elicit testimony from witnesses who say they observed wrongdoing during the casting and counting of votes in seven Democratic-leaning counties, including Philadelphia and its suburbs.
“I don’t think there’s a need for a hearing at this juncture,” the judge said.
He cautioned, however: “I don’t want to sound like I’ve decided the matter yet.
I need to mull it over, frankly.”
Giuliani’s presence only underscored the importance the Trump campaign has placed on its case in Pennsylvania — one that increasingly appears to be the president’s last legal stand as judges in other battleground states have knocked down his lawsuits one-by-one.
But just as the case has grown in importance, so too has the margin of Trump’s Pennsylvania loss.
As of Tuesday evening, Biden held a 73,000-vote advantage with the count rapidly approaching its conclusion.
The Trump campaign’s central argument is that the entire process of casting and counting votes in Pennsylvania was so opaque and riddled with inconsistencies that no one can trust the outcome.
Yet all of the claims of fraud made Tuesday were speculative.
To date, Trump campaign lawyers have yet to lodge even one specific allegation — let alone provide evidence — of a ballot that was deliberately cast illegally.
Instead, it has zeroed in on counties, including Philadelphia, that contacted voters whose mail ballots were in danger of being disqualified due to deficiencies such as missing signatures or secrecy envelopes.
In some cases, county election officials — following guidance from Pennsylvania’s top elections official, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar — allowed voters to either correct those errors before Election Day or cast a provisional ballot in-person at the polls.
Trump campaign lawyers told Brann on Tuesday that the practice is unlawful and unfairly diluted votes in GOP-leaning counties that did not offer similar opportunities to their voters.
Trump campaign lawyers told Brann on Tuesday that the practice is unlawful and unfairly diluted votes in GOP-leaning counties that did not offer similar opportunities to their voters.
Boockvar’s lawyers contend that state election law does not prohibit counties from alerting voters when they file flawed ballots.
What’s more, they say, she issued the same guidance to all of Pennsylvania’s 67 counties encouraging them to follow this process.
“I say, ‘Hallelujuah!’ to Secretary Boockvar,” said Mark Aronchick, an attorney representing the counties.
“What in the world is wrong with telling counties they can advise voters that their mail ballot is rejected so they can go to the polls and exercise their right to have their vote counted? … That is a problem? Hardly.”
Giuliani also pressed the judge Tuesday to rule in their favor based on reports from campaign monitors who say they were prevented from “meaningfully” monitoring the counting of votes in Democratic-leaning counties, including Philadelphia.
There, GOP observers have complained they were kept behind waist-high metal barriers too far away from the tables where votes were being tallied to actually inspect the ballots.
But even as Giuliani was offering that argument in Brann’s court, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court issued a ruling undercutting it.
In a 5-2 decision, the state’s justices sided with the city, saying it had complied with state laws that require only that partisan monitors be granted access to counting rooms.
The statute does say anything about how closely they may observe the actual ballots being tallied.
Chief Justice Thomas G. Saylor, a Republican, dissented — but primarily to note that with the counting all but done in the state, the matter was moot.
Like Brann, he balked at the Trump campaign’s proposed solution to its perceived wrong.
“Short of demonstrated fraud, the notion that presumptively valid ballots cast by the Pennsylvania electorate would be disregarded based on isolated procedural irregularities … thus disenfranchising potentially thousands of voters is misguided,” he wrote.
Attorneys representing Boockvar and the defendant counties in the federal case quickly marshaled the ruling into their arguments in Brann’s courtroom.
“Mr. Giuliani’s witnesses had their right to observe,” Aronchick said.
“That’s over. End of story.”
As for the rest of the Trump campaign’s claims, Aronchick rebutted them all in a 30-minute presentation that rhetorically aimed for Giuliani’s jugular, accusing him at various points of being “ignorant” of the law, living in “some fantasy world,” and perpetuating wild conspiracy theories that were “disgraceful in an American courtroom.”
He argued the campaign had no standing or evidence to pursue its case any further and urged Brann to follow the lead of other judges across the country.
“Please dismiss this case so we can move on to the real business of this country,” Aronchick pleaded with the judge. “We need to get this election certified.”
https://www.inquirer.com/news/trump-pen ... 01117.html
18 Nov 2020 7:31 am
.Two people say Graham is lying, but you believe him.
What business does a Senator from SC have getting involved in Georgia's election anyway?
It's none of his **** business.
You're lying, because the others on the phone call support Graham's version.
And it absolutely is his business. The future of the country is at stake, so Graham, myself and every other concerned citizen has a right to call.
An obligation to make sure the elections are clean; that the corrupt Democrat Party and the Radical Left don't get control of the Senate.
18 Nov 2020 7:34 am
Rudy Giuliani and Trump’s last-stand push to overturn PA's election results get a frosty reception in court.
The corrupt Philadelphia Inquirer as a source?
That's as ridiculous as citing the Washpost.
I knew before the case was heard that the corrupt Pa Supreme Court would turn him down. Voter fraud in Philadelphia??!!
No one would EVER believe that!
Now Guliani goes to the Supreme court where he has a very strong chance.
18 Nov 2020 8:42 am
It was still presented as a fact and millions believed it because the deep state MSM told them it was a fact too...
You say facts don't change but how do you know if something is fact instead of a lie?
In memory of Pumpkins
18 Nov 2020 10:07 am
There is no radical left that you speak of! Except in your poisoned mind. "The Squad" is just an outler, and the Dem party is quite CENTRIST and MODERATE!Termin8tor » 18 Nov 2020, 8:31 am » wrote: ↑ .
You're lying, because the others on the phone call support Graham's version.
And it absolutely is his business. The future of the country is at stake, so Graham, myself and every other concerned citizen has a right to call.
An obligation to make sure the elections are clean; that the corrupt Democrat Party and the Radical Left don't get control of the Senate.
18 Nov 2020 10:09 am
18 Nov 2020 11:27 am
You're lying because there was only one other person on the phone, not others.Termin8tor » 18 Nov 2020, 8:31 am » wrote: ↑You're lying, because the others on the phone call support Graham's version.Two people say Graham is lying, but you believe him.
What business does a Senator from SC have getting involved in Georgia's election anyway?
It's none of his **** business.
And he agreed that it sounded like Graham was talking about throwing out absentee ballots.
And the two Secretaries of State in Arizona and Nevada that Graham said he called say he never called them.
So he lied about that too.
****.Termin8tor » 18 Nov 2020, 8:31 am » wrote: ↑ And it absolutely is his business. The future of the country is at stake, so Graham, myself and every other concerned citizen has a right to call.
An obligation to make sure the elections are clean; that the corrupt Democrat Party and the Radical Left don't get control of the Senate.
He has no right to get involved in an election in Georgia, and neither do you.
18 Nov 2020 11:31 am
Yes it is.Termin8tor » 18 Nov 2020, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑ Something very, very, very rotten is being exposed in the country.
A family of grifters took over the Republican party and formed a cult.
And you joined that cult.
18 Nov 2020 11:36 am
Says the moron who regularly uses a rag like Gatewaypundit as a source.Termin8tor » 18 Nov 2020, 8:34 am » wrote: ↑The corrupt Philadelphia Inquirer as a source?Rudy Giuliani and Trump’s last-stand push to overturn PA's election results get a frosty reception in court.
That's as ridiculous as citing the Washpost.
The reporter was quoting both Giuliani and the judge, so do you think he just made up all of those quotes you imbecile?
MY SOURCE
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/philadelphia-inquirer/
YOUR SOURCE
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-gateway-pundit/
18 Nov 2020 2:14 pm
He didn't just express his opinion you gaping asshole.Termin8tor » 18 Nov 2020, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑What a stupid **** lie. Graham and every American has the Constitutional right to express their opinions to any elected officials.Misty » 18 Nov 2020, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑ ****.
He has no right to get involved in an election in Georgia, and neither do you.
He tried to get the SOS in Georgia to throw out legal ballots.
Read something besides that Gatewaypundit rag sometimes.
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