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Donald Trump And His Lawyers Are Making Sweeping Allegations of Voter Fraud In Public.
In Court, They Say No Such Thing


In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged “widespread, nationwide voter fraud” in his opening remarks.

But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. “This is not a fraud case,” Giuliani later admitted.

In the same case, Trump lawyer Linda Kearns said explicitly that she is “not proceeding” on allegations of fraud.

In a separate state case in Montgomery County, Pa., a judge asked Trump lawyer Jonathan S. Goldstein whether he was alleging fraud.

“Your honor, accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step,” Goldstein said.

“And it is rare that I call somebody a liar, and I am not calling the Board of the [Democratic National Committee] or anybody else involved in this a liar.

Everybody is coming to this with good faith.”

The judge pressed Goldstein to answer the specific question: “Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?”

To which Goldstein replied: “To my knowledge at present, no.”

In yet another state case in Bucks County, Pa., Trump’s attorneys signed a joint stipulation of facts that explicitly admits that they are not alleging fraud, despite the President and his lawyers’ repeated public claims, according to Marc Elias, a lawyer working for Democrats on election-related cases.

The stipulation of facts reads in part: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.”

The stipulation also says they don’t allege or have evidence of “misconduct” or “impropriety” in connection with the challenged ballots.

https://time.com/5914377/donald-trump-n ... nce-fraud/
 
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**** Barbie promised she would never lie to us.

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Termin8tor » 21 Nov 2020, 2:48 pm » wrote:
Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 1:40 pm » wrote:
I seriously can't listen to this **** any more.
Powell has said categorically that the US government seized those servers.

is she lying, psychopath?
More than likely.
Trump and everyone around him have a very flimsy relationship with the truth.
 
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Termin8tor » 21 Nov 2020, 2:46 pm » wrote:
Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 1:54 pm » wrote: Donald Trump And His Lawyers Are Making Sweeping Allegations of Voter Fraud In Public.
In Court, They Say No Such Thing


In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged “widespread, nationwide voter fraud” in his opening remarks.

But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. “This is not a fraud case,” Giuliani later admitted.
I'll bet that they didn't intend in this case to claim voter fraud.
 
They haven't claimed voter fraud in ANY case you gaping asshole.
 
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Termin8tor » 21 Nov 2020, 3:03 pm » wrote:
Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 2:57 pm » wrote: More than likely.
Trump and everyone around him have a very flimsy relationship with the truth.
What a stupid **** lie.

Reality is about to fall on your corrupt party's heads like grand pianos.
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You seem so sure of yourself, yet you won't take me up on my bet.
Georgia has been certified, and several other states will be certified on Monday.
Face it Precious, the fat lady is warming up her vocal chords and is about to start singing.
It will be over very soon, and Your Dear Leader needs to put on his big boy pants, get out of his little snit and stop trying to purposely hamstring President-elect Joe Biden.
For once he needs to think about the good of the country and not just himself.

 
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Termin8tor » 21 Nov 2020, 3:12 pm » wrote:
Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 3:04 pm » wrote: They haven't claimed voter fraud in ANY case you gaping asshole.
They will be in other cases, you stupid lying ****.

 
I really can't listen to your crap any more.

IT'S OVER.
TRUMP LOST.
GET THE **** OVER IT.
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About the myth that Biden only won Michigan and Pennsylvania because massive voter fraud took place in Detroit and Philadelphia.

Biden got about 1,000 fewer votes than Clinton did in 2016 out of Detroit proper, while Trump's support in the city grew by about 5,000 votes.

In suburban Oakland County, meanwhile, Biden's support grew by 91,000 votes.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politi ... 176981002/

In one of the most Democratic cities in the country (Philadelphia), the president-elect’s support was roughly flat, even as Trump increased his support.

Biden’s margin over Trump in the city is on track to be over 450,000 or even 460,000.

That’s a huge advantage, and crucial in a state he won by what’s likely to be around 100,000 votes.

But it would still be smaller than Hillary Clinton’s 475,000-vote edge in Philadelphia in 2016.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/elect ... 01115.html

It was the suburbs that swung the election to Biden.

Large suburban areas in 2020 registered a net Democratic advantage for the first time since Barack Obama’s victory in 2008. 

https://www.brookings.edu/research/bide ... e-suburbs/
 
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Has anyone else noticed? Cannon has taken sides with Terminhater, who used to be his mortal enemy! I find that quite odd!
Makes me believe that the two of them are really the same person! WTF????
Something really fishy is going on here!
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Termin8tor » 21 Nov 2020, 3:33 pm » wrote:
Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 3:30 pm » wrote: I really can't listen to your crap any more.

IT'S OVER.
TRUMP LOST.
GET THE **** OVER IT.
I smell liberal panic sweat.
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The corrupt liberal MSM are in a rage.

Slow Joe is stuttering more than usual.

After lying for four years that Trump is illegitimate, they're shrieking loudly that he concede RIGHT NOW!
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Trump's lawyers are armed for bear.

And I'll bet that Trump is holding some things back in reserve.
You are **** delusional.
 
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Termin8tor » 21 Nov 2020, 4:14 pm » wrote:
Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 3:55 pm » wrote: About the myth that Biden only won Michigan and Pennsylvania because massive voter fraud took place in Detroit and Philadelphia.
As claimed by the corrupt liberal MSM.

As if anyone believes one single word they write.
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Numbers don't lie you gaping asshole.
If you think those numbers were made up then prove it, or STFU.

Biden got less votes in Detroit and Philadelphia than HRC did in 2016.
Trump actually did better in those cities, but worse in the suburbs, and that's why he lost.
Democrat Joe Biden actually got fewer votes in Detroit than Hillary Clinton got in 2016.

And Clinton got some 40,000 fewer votes in Detroit than Barack Obama did in 2012.

Plus, Trump got more votes in Detroit in 2020 than he did in 2016.

https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/ar ... linton-why
 
Not only was the increase in the number of ballots cast in Philadelphia from 2016 to 2020 relatively modest, but Mr. Trump won more votes and a greater percentage of the votes there than he did in 2016.

He received 18 percent of the two-party vote this year, up from 15.7 percent in 2016, gaining 24,122 votes.

In contrast, Mr. Biden received two percentage points less of the two-party vote in the city than Hillary Clinton did in 2016.

If any fraud was attempted in Philadelphia, it failed miserably.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/opin ... lphia.html
So much for your lies about massive cheating in Detroit and Philadelphia.

 
 
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Trump cult members attacking Republicans. Delicious.

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/ ... 82593?s=19
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Termin8tor » 21 Nov 2020, 8:19 pm » wrote: .
Trump and his supporters want to clean up corruption and voter fraud any place it's found.



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You are a LIAR and a TRAITOR all Republicans are doing is destroying AMERICAN DEMOCRACY and telling LIES about Fraud they CLAIM but cannot sho ONE SHRED OF EIVDNCE for


Your GOD lost the election TRAITOR get over it  and I ahve SHOWN a dozen times that Gateway is a site with ZERO Credibility 
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In Blistering Ruling, Judge Throws Out Trump Suit In Pennsylvania

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A federal judge issued a scathing order Saturday dismissing the Trump campaign’s futile effort to block the certification of votes in Pennsylvania, shooting down claims of widespread irregularities with mail-in ballots.

The case was always a long shot to stop President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, but it was President Donald Trump’s best hope to affect the election results through the courts, mostly because of the number of electoral votes, 20, at stake in Pennsylvania.

His personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, stepped into a courtroom for the first time in decades to argue the case this past week.

U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote in his order that Trump had asked the court to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.

“One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,” Brann wrote, so much that the court would have no option but to stop the certification even though it would impact so many people.

“That has not happened.”

Even if he’d won the Pennsylvania case, Trump would have needed to win other lawsuits in other states where he’d also asked to delay certification.

The campaign peppered battlegrounds states with litigation in the days after the election alleging widespread election fraud without proof, but the majority of those cases have already been dismissed.

The president has taken his effort to subvert the results of the 2020 election beyond the courtroom in recent days, straight to local lawmakers.

Some Trump allies have expressed hope that state lawmakers could intervene in selecting Republican electors.

With that in mind Trump invited Michigan legislators to the White House on Friday, hoping that an Oval Office meeting would persuade them to set aside the popular vote favoring Biden by more than 154,000.

But the lawmakers issued a statement after the meeting that they would follow the law and “normal process” on electors.

Trump was said to be considering extending a similar invitation to lawmakers from Pennsylvania.

Time is running out for Trump and his campaign, as states certify their results one after another showing that Biden won the requisite 270 Electoral College votes to take office.

Brann ruled that Pennsylvania officials can certify election results that currently show Biden winning the state by more than 80,000 votes.

He said the Trump campaign presented “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations ... unsupported by evidence.”

“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,” the opinion said. “Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”

Trump tweeted after the ruling that he couldn’t understand why Biden was forming a Cabinet when the president’s investigators had found “hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes,” a baseless claim for which Trump has supplied no evidence.

Giuliani and a Trump campaign lawyer said in a statement that they welcomed the dismissal because it would allow them to appeal up to the U.S. Supreme Court faster, where Trump has repeatedly said he feels he has sympathetic justices.

But, the justices heard a case from the state before the election, over a three-day extension on mail-in ballots, and allowed the extension over the objections of the GOP.

Sen. Pat Toomey, a Pennsylvania Republican who had a hand in placing Brann on the bench during the Obama administration, said the ruling showed Trump had exhausted all possible legal avenues in the state and went on to congratulate Biden on his victory.

He called Brann “a longtime conservative Republican whom I know to be a fair and unbiased jurist.”

Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor and New York mayor, showed his rustiness during the hearing this week by tripping himself up over the meaning of “opacity,” mistaking the judge for a federal judge in a separate district and provoking an opposing lawyer.

Giuliani repeatedly contended in court that it was illegal for counties to help people vote.

Opposing lawyer Mark Aronchick suggested Giuliani must not know the Pennsylvania election code.

The Trump-aligned attorneys had argued that the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection under the law was violated when Pennsylvania counties took different approaches to notifying voters before the election about technical problems with their submitted mail-in ballots.

The judge dismissed the argument entirely.

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar and the seven Biden-majority counties that the campaign sued had argued throwing out the popular vote over isolated allegations of mail-in fraud was far too extreme, particularly after most of them have been tallied.

“There is no justification on any level for the radical disenfranchisement they seek,” Boockvar’s lawyers wrote in a brief filed Thursday.

Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro, a Democrat, tweeted shortly after Brann’s ruling that “another one bites the dust.”

“These claims were meritless from the start and for an audience of one,” Shapiro said in a statement.

“The will of the people will prevail. These baseless lawsuits need to end.”

Counties must certify their results to Boockvar by Monday, after which she will make her own certification.

Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf will notify the winning candidate’s electors they should appear to vote in the Capitol on Dec. 14.

https://apnews.com/article/election-202 ... 385c9ba86c
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Termin8tor » 22 Nov 2020, 9:38 am » wrote:
So you're utterly full of crap, as usual.
You are a LIAR as always  Guiliani AMENDED his suit in Pennsylvania a few days ago he COULD have amended it with whatever evidence he had. This is just another EXCUSE to say ther WAS FRAUD but we cant show you the evidence yet that we have been hearing from the beginning.  COUGH UP THE EVIDENCE OR STFU

As for Sydney Powell I have shoved teh FACT That even Tucker CARLSON said she wouldnt show him any evidence and told him to STOP CALLING her to ASK for evidece. SNOPES has DEBUNKED their Germany NONSENSE and you are just a LIAR tellig LIES for Russia telling LIES is all you do

Your GOD lost the election LOSER get over it
 
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Misty » 22 Nov 2020, 12:50 pm » wrote: In Blistering Ruling, Judge Throws Out Trump Suit In Pennsylvania

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A federal judge issued a scathing order Saturday dismissing the Trump campaign’s futile effort to block the certification of votes in Pennsylvania, shooting down claims of widespread irregularities with mail-in ballots.

The case was always a long shot to stop President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, but it was President Donald Trump’s best hope to affect the election results through the courts, mostly because of the number of electoral votes, 20, at stake in Pennsylvania.

His personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, stepped into a courtroom for the first time in decades to argue the case this past week.

U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote in his order that Trump had asked the court to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.

“One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,” Brann wrote, so much that the court would have no option but to stop the certification even though it would impact so many people.

“That has not happened.”

Even if he’d won the Pennsylvania case, Trump would have needed to win other lawsuits in other states where he’d also asked to delay certification.

The campaign peppered battlegrounds states with litigation in the days after the election alleging widespread election fraud without proof, but the majority of those cases have already been dismissed.

The president has taken his effort to subvert the results of the 2020 election beyond the courtroom in recent days, straight to local lawmakers.

Some Trump allies have expressed hope that state lawmakers could intervene in selecting Republican electors.

With that in mind Trump invited Michigan legislators to the White House on Friday, hoping that an Oval Office meeting would persuade them to set aside the popular vote favoring Biden by more than 154,000.

But the lawmakers issued a statement after the meeting that they would follow the law and “normal process” on electors.

Trump was said to be considering extending a similar invitation to lawmakers from Pennsylvania.

Time is running out for Trump and his campaign, as states certify their results one after another showing that Biden won the requisite 270 Electoral College votes to take office.

Brann ruled that Pennsylvania officials can certify election results that currently show Biden winning the state by more than 80,000 votes.

He said the Trump campaign presented “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations ... unsupported by evidence.”

“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,” the opinion said. “Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”

Trump tweeted after the ruling that he couldn’t understand why Biden was forming a Cabinet when the president’s investigators had found “hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes,” a baseless claim for which Trump has supplied no evidence.

Giuliani and a Trump campaign lawyer said in a statement that they welcomed the dismissal because it would allow them to appeal up to the U.S. Supreme Court faster, where Trump has repeatedly said he feels he has sympathetic justices.

But, the justices heard a case from the state before the election, over a three-day extension on mail-in ballots, and allowed the extension over the objections of the GOP.

Sen. Pat Toomey, a Pennsylvania Republican who had a hand in placing Brann on the bench during the Obama administration, said the ruling showed Trump had exhausted all possible legal avenues in the state and went on to congratulate Biden on his victory.

He called Brann “a longtime conservative Republican whom I know to be a fair and unbiased jurist.”

Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor and New York mayor, showed his rustiness during the hearing this week by tripping himself up over the meaning of “opacity,” mistaking the judge for a federal judge in a separate district and provoking an opposing lawyer.

Giuliani repeatedly contended in court that it was illegal for counties to help people vote.

Opposing lawyer Mark Aronchick suggested Giuliani must not know the Pennsylvania election code.

The Trump-aligned attorneys had argued that the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection under the law was violated when Pennsylvania counties took different approaches to notifying voters before the election about technical problems with their submitted mail-in ballots.

The judge dismissed the argument entirely.

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar and the seven Biden-majority counties that the campaign sued had argued throwing out the popular vote over isolated allegations of mail-in fraud was far too extreme, particularly after most of them have been tallied.

“There is no justification on any level for the radical disenfranchisement they seek,” Boockvar’s lawyers wrote in a brief filed Thursday.

Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro, a Democrat, tweeted shortly after Brann’s ruling that “another one bites the dust.”

“These claims were meritless from the start and for an audience of one,” Shapiro said in a statement.

“The will of the people will prevail. These baseless lawsuits need to end.”

Counties must certify their results to Boockvar by Monday, after which she will make her own certification.

Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf will notify the winning candidate’s electors they should appear to vote in the Capitol on Dec. 14.

https://apnews.com/article/election-202 ... 385c9ba86c
The judge is right the Penn lawyers are right except that this is for an audience of TRUMP SUPPORTERS not just Trump it is red meat for TreasonMonkeys. It gives them more lies to tell just like TR8er he will just keep telling the LIES because he does not CARE that there is no evidence he does not CARE that they are LIES they push the narrative he likes so LIE or not he will keep saying it
 
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duck615 » 22 Nov 2020, 12:51 pm » wrote: Hey Misty, you haven't answered my question?
What question?
 
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Termin8tor » 22 Nov 2020, 9:27 am » wrote:
Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 4:17 pm » wrote: Numbers don't lie you gaping asshole.
If you think those numbers were made up then prove it, or STFU.
Numbers from Phillie, Detroit and other corrupt Democrat cities lies in every election, psycho.
You're a **** fruit loop.
Those are the official numbers.
Termin8tor » 22 Nov 2020, 9:27 am » wrote: Sidney Powell has released the Kraken.
Yes, I know.
It's a Communist conspiracy involving a dead Hugo Chavez, George Soros and German servers.
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Termin8tor » 21 Nov 2020, 8:19 pm » wrote:
Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 4:47 pm » wrote: Trump cult members attacking Republicans. Delicious.
Trump and his supporters want to clean up corruption and voter fraud any place it's found.
Including by Republican hacks.
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