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I disagree with your critique. Conservatives don't just minlessly hate folks who don't produce. They are perfectly willing to mindlessly hate producers, too. Just look at the AFL/CIO. A lot of those folks produce, and conservatives mindlessly hate them.No, you have it all wrong. They mindlessly hate whomever fox TELLS them to mindlessly hate - productive or otherwise.Gosh. Ya think?I agree with you to a point. Not all Conservatives are mindless drones but a growing % are. Limbaugh created a drone base in the 1980s and FOX has tapped in and begun expanding on it. If it ever appears this demographic is going to achieve a "majority" I will leave the country. I don't want to be here if WWIII breaks out. Give the lunatic fringe of the Conservative movement control of this country and it won't be long until the rest of the world realizes what has to be done.

Now THAT I can agree with - and even add to:Fiat money is at the bottom of it all.It's like going after the witch in a 'witch-hunt' only to find that everyone is a witch!

Of course there are exceptions, but in general the rich and corporate America give to the GOP, while the poor, and middle class give to Democrats.Oh yeah, sure, right.When ordinary middle class taxpayers demonstrated all across the country at Tea Party rallies, Democrats ridiculed, demonized and spread lies about them.It's interesting that Conservatives seem to enjoy demonizing teachers, nurses, cops and firefighters.They don't make anything, therefore they are worthless. Until your house is on fire, or you need your road plowed. We aren't demonizing good, honest, hard working employees, but the spoiled, overpaid, thuggish union bosses and the hacks who back them up.Who threaten states, the entire country with literal bankruptcy, like in NY, Cal, Wisconsin, NJ, etc. et6c.

It's like going after the witch in a 'witch-hunt' only to find that everyone is a witch!Nah, they've just been BEwitched. At the bottom of it all is few enough guys to manage in a smoke filled room - the authors of fiat money. The rest are just useful idjits.

I agree with you to a point.You agree with a psychotic? Why am I not surprised? Not all Conservatives are mindless drones but a growing % are. Limbaugh created a drone base in the 1980s and FOX has tapped in and begun expanding on it. If it ever appears this demographic is going to achieve a "majority" I will leave the country. I don't want to be here if WWIII breaks out. Give the lunatic fringe of the Conservative movement control of this country and it won't be long until the rest of the world realizes what has to be done.What's a "drone" in the moonbat dictionary? Someone who thinks for themselves but disagrees with a liberal sheep.We are and will remain in the majority. Have a nice trip.I'm sure you'll love Cuba, but not for long.

Only one problem with that, it's not a mindless hate that I have. There is plenty of reason to hate a majority if not all of the organizations within this country. They're all corrupt, all pandering to political/corporate interests in an attempt to obtain power for themselves in the form of legislation or coin. They might start out as noble but certainly, none of them stay that way. They all add to the collective problem and frustration this nation as a whole faces now.The hate for the individual? Stems from their blind support concerning many of these factions and factors.If you go around thinking one man is to blame. One organization is to blame. Then baby, you've got another thing coming. Take them down. Burn them at the cross if you feel it will bring righteous judgment upon their heads. You'll see nothing change and realize quickly that the problem was much more complex. The corruption much more widely spread across this land.First I do agree that the majority of Organizations have corruption. I agree that special interest, representing these organizations, attempt to obtain power for themselves. When the supreme court decided to allow Corporations and Special Interests to spend unlimited amount of money on advertising during elections that should have upset you? That is if you really feel how you claim to feel about special interest. Democrats opposed this decision including the minority on the court and President Obama. Is the democratic party void of corruption, obviously it isn't. This, however, is just one big example of why I choose to vote Democrat in our current two party system. Edited by Oldschool, 12 March 2011 - 05:17 PM.

Hahah, oh man! You're so ignorant it is almost adorable...Yeah, sweety, honey-buns - your cute little pictures do not make you anymore capable of debating politics on any level. I had to educate you on a well-known fact concerning the taxpayer > government > union cycle that you should of known. Especially being such a staunch supporter of the Democratic party.Condescend much? Where exactly was it that you educated me on anything? I guess I missed it.Yet you continue to just take aim at the Republicans and their likely business ties, while, the Democrats also no doubt pander to the crooks of Wall Street. So not only do you attack one side for essentially having issues YOUR side has, but you also ignore the plethora of other problems and corruption that wreak havoc within the Democratic party beyond corporate interests.Let's get one thing straight Sweety, or should I say, Honey Buns......I don't have much use for Democrats either.They are only slightly better than Republicans when it comes to catering to the special interests.It's that slight difference that I'm clinging to in hopes that we are not sold down the river completely, but I'm pretty cynical on that point.The Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of Right Wing Flying Monkeys, and it is to them that I dedicated this thread. These people are not true Conservatives. They are Radicals. They have been introducing some of the most intrusive, anti-liberty and anti-freedom legislation I have ever seen. There is nothing small government about them.I have many examples of these types of people in my thread about how they want to turn back the clock on Women's rights.http://liberalforum...._1#entry1984611Here is one of my posts from that thread:Georgia State Representative Bobby Franklin is introducing a bill HB 1 to investigate miscarriages, and require that any time a miscarriage occurs, whether in a hospital or without medical assistance, it must be reported and a fetal death certificate issued. If the cause of death is unknown, it must be investigated. If the woman can’t tell how it happened, then the Uterus Police can ask family members and friends how it happened. Hospitals are required to keep records of anyone who has a spontaneous abortion and report it.Can someone please tell me again how the Republican party is for smaller less intrusive government?This pinhead actually wants to investigate miscarriages. There's a small government Conservative for you.Oh, and since you mentioned my cute little pictures.....BTW, if you are incapable of disagreeing with me without calling me ignorant, or referring to me as Sweety or Honey Buns, then take your *** to another thread. Edited by MistyBlue, 12 March 2011 - 05:25 PM.

Nah, they've just been BEwitched. At the bottom of it all is few enough guys to manage in a smoke filled room - the authors of fiat money. The rest are just useful idjits.I don't know about you but I hate stocks. I hate the stock market. I hate Wall Street. I hate it all. What happened to the days when you ran a business and what you earned, is what you sold to the public in services or goods? Now it feels like we're trading one another at times with nothing but air with a given numerical value on it that can dissolve or strengthen depending on what our 'leaders' behind the scenes feel at the time of. It comes across as if we really have nothing of value period backing up the majority of our currency and we're playing this strange, dangerous game of damned near debt to the infinite being shifted and traded about.It's a disgusting routine of corruption and lies being played out daily right before our eyes and yet we don't realize the error in all of it?

You agree with a psychotic? Why am I not surprised? What's a "drone" in the moonbat dictionary? Someone who thinks for themselves but disagrees with a liberal sheep.We are and will remain in the majority. Have a nice trip.I'm sure you'll love Cuba, but not for long.Rich if I ever leave this country it would be for Europe, Australia, or Canada. In today's post modern environment a drone is someone who watches FOX news, listens to the Glen Beck, Sean Hannity or the Rush Limbaugh show, and believes everything he hears from these propaganda outlets. This of course is the exact opposite of thinking for ones self. In fact these propaganda outlets aren't interested in people who think for themselves. As Republicans run our education system into the ground there will be more and more potential mindless drones available for the picking. You aren't in the majority politically or otherwise. The Democratic Party is still the majority demographic in the two party political landscape. Just a statistical fact for you to emote about. Edited by Oldschool, 12 March 2011 - 05:34 PM.

Show me where I said that NO "middle class and labor" workers ever give to the Republicans, and that the "rich and corporate America" NEVER give to the Democrats.I was speaking in general terms and you know it.I guess that's the best you have to pick apart my argument.Silly semantic games.You're the one who needs to rely on semantics to be right.I'm using plain and simple truth.Have you ever, EVER, complained because your "middle class and labor" representing democratic party took money from the "rich and corporate America"?It happens every year, but as teacher says, it's ok when your side does it.I know that with the situation your side has put the country in the last two years or so it's difficult carrying their flag, but they surely ain't carrying yours. Obama has betrayed nearly every single thing he ever promised to get his job. Why won;t you just admit he's as big a crook as the republicans you hate so much?

Let's get one thing straight Sweety, or should I say, Honey Buns......I don't have much use for Democrats either.As she spreads every Democrat Talking Point that the DNC has ever written.The Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of Right Wing Flying Monkeys, and it is to them that I dedicated this thread.Yes, it's extremist to want to end a $1.6 trillion deficit.It's extremist to want to abide by the Constitution and the Founding Principles.It's extremist not to want Beltway politicians to run US health care.These people are not true Conservatives. They are Radicals. They have been introducing some of the most intrusive, anti-liberty and anti-freedom legislation I have ever seen. There is nothing small government about them.She lies.95% of what they are doing will greatly increase Americans freedom and take power and money out of the hands of Beltway politicians.This pinhead actually wants to investigate miscarriages. There's a small government Conservative for you.Democrats won't tolerate the slightest restriction on abortion, allowing the killing of late term fetuses, even literal babies.And not a peep out of you about that.

I don't know about you but I hate stocks. I hate the stock market. I hate Wall Street. I hate it all. What happened to the days when you ran a business and what you earned, is what you sold to the public in services or goods? Now it feels like we're trading one another at times with nothing but air with a given numerical value on it that can dissolve or strengthen depending on what our 'leaders' behind the scenes feel at the time of. It comes across as if we really have nothing of value period backing up the majority of our currency and we're playing this strange, dangerous game of damned near debt to the infinite being shifted and traded about.It's a disgusting routine of corruption and lies being played out daily right before our eyes and yet we don't realize the error in all of it?The Neocons wouldn't like to hear you talk this way. There system is in place for a reason and you shouldn't question something that is necessary to achieve their goals. You're straying from the approved talking points and sounding a bit leftist in doing so.

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This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by RichClem . View it anyway? Yeah, you hate it when your lies are exposed.Rich if I ever leave this country it would be for Europe, Australia, or Canada.Sorry, too late. Canada has rejected Socialism, slashing its government spending by half relative to GDP. So is Europe, albeit slowly.But there are lots of moonbats still in Europe. France would be best for you. They're collapsing as a nation, and the deck chairs are very comfortable, and it will be years before the water hits the top deck.In today's post modern environment a drone is someone who watches FOX news, listens to the Glen Beck, Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh show, and believes everything he hears from these propaganda outlets. This of course is the exact opposite of thinking for ones self. In fact these propaganda outlets are interested in people who think for themselves. As Republicans run our education system into the ground there will be more and more potential mindless drones available for the picking.To the contrary. Rush's listeners are very financially successful, independent and educated. They don't listen to Rush to hear what to think, but because they generally already agree with him.As even the WashPost has reported.You aren't in the majority politically or otherwise. The Democratic Party is still the majority demographic in the two party political landscape. Just a statistical fact for you to emote about.There are twice as many "conservatives" as "liberals" in the US. Now that the parties are polarized and we have our own non-liberal media, and Democrats can no longer hide behind dishonest centrist rhetoric, they're doomed.You might as well pack your bags and get an early start.

Have you ever, EVER, complained because your "middle class and labor" representing democratic party took money from the "rich and corporate America"?I think I just did, several posts back. I don't have much use for Democrats either.They are only slightly better than Republicans when it comes to catering to the special interests.It's that slight difference that I'm clinging to in hopes that we are not sold down the river completely, but I'm pretty cynical on that point.And they are not MY Democratic Party.I am and always have been an unaffiliated voter.I know that with the situation your side has put the country in the last two years or so it's difficult carrying their flag, but they surely ain't carrying yours. Obama has betrayed nearly every single thing he ever promised to get his job. Why won't you just admit he's as big a crook as the republicans you hate so much?Why should I admit something that I don't believe? Like most politicians Obama said a lot of things to get elected. Whether he really wanted to do all the things he promised, only he can know that for sure. But once in office he had to face some harsh realities. Campaigning is one thing, governing is quite another.I'm amazed that you can say that my side has put this country in such a terrible situation in the last two years, while totally ignoring the mess that they were left to deal with. Anyone who believes that a country on the verge of a depression, could come back from that in two years is delusional, especially when they have to deal with one political party who sees it in their best political interest to keep the economy bad, and is blocking every effort to make it better.Before the 2010 midterm elections, the Republicans promised that they were going to focus on JOBS, JOBS JOBS. What have they done so far? They've introduced a bunch of symbolic pieces of legislation, and have focused on rolling back rights for women.Maybe you can point to one piece of legislation that they have introduced that has anything at all to do with job creation, because I haven't seen it. I don't see how focusing on anti-abortion legislation creates jobs.

Yeah, you hate it when your lies are exposed.Sorry, too late. Canada has rejected Socialism, slashing its government spending by half relative to GDP. So is Europe, albeit slowly.But there are lots of moonbats still in Europe. France would be best for you. They're collapsing as a nation, and the deck chairs are very comfortable, and it will be years before the water hits the top deck.To the contrary. Rush's listeners are very financially successful, independent and educated. They don't listen to Rush to hear what to think, but because they generally already agree with him.As even the WashPost has reported.There are twice as many "conservatives" as "liberals" in the US. Now that the parties are polarized and we have our own non-liberal media, and Democrats can no longer hide behind dishonest centrist rhetoric, they're doomed.You might as well pack your bags and get an early start.I'm not a Liberal. Progressive? Maybe, Socialist? Possibly , Marxist? Could be, Communist? No , Libertarian? To a Point"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789Just remember that Conservatism has many enemies and Liberals are the least of them.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789Nice quote.I find it curious that people seem to be taking my criticisms of the far right fringe of the Republican party as a tacit endorsement of all Democrats. Edited by MistyBlue, 12 March 2011 - 05:57 PM.

The Neocons wouldn't like to hear you talk this way. There system is in place for a reason and you shouldn't question something that is necessary to achieve their goals. You're straying from the approved talking points and sounding a bit leftist in doing so.I always have sounded a bit 'leftist'. If you're going by the real definition of a Liberal - an individual who promotes freedom both socially and economically a great deal. I believe in a free-enterprise society but I am fed up with feeling like small businesses are getting screwed. While our enormous corporations can get away with nearly murdering our economy and get billions in bailouts from both Republicans and Democrats? That's not free-enterprise. Hell, I'm not even sure if you can call that capitalism. That's corporate socialism slowly coming to fruition.But let me be clear, while I do promote social freedoms as well, I greatly encourage responsibility concerning the individual. Meaning if you have to go get an abortion and you weren't raped or have a life-threatening birth ahead of you, you've essentially committed murder for being a careless human being and nothing more. The moment the spark of life enters that fetus, it has a future ahead of it that you just denied it. That is something you should not view with carelessness on any level.Sadly, many Liberal women would argue that with me and it actually breaks my heart at times. Apparently for them the 'freedom of choice' also means the freedom to destroy and do as they please without considering the consequences of their actions.So I am not a Liberal to the 'absolute' but I do believe heavily all the same in allowing for choices. Though that doesn't mean those choices should be deprived of consequences or beneficial returns as if they meant nothing. Edited by Kelliak, 12 March 2011 - 05:59 PM.

See. We can agree on something. LOLAnd I'm sure you have a much bigger [male organ]. If it was any bigger, I'd walk with a limp and people would call me "Tripod".

Quote me making a dishonest attack on you or any liberal public figure.I could fill a book as long as War And Peace with your dishonest attacks.Fortunately for you, I have a life.Oh, sure, right, so many that you don't have time. Nobody's buying the 'one rare time' you haven't provided proof routine Puss.That's your M.O. We're all on to it. You think you're above having to prove anything you say, because you've cited many sources 'in the past'.Sources that for some strange reason, none of us have ever seen.Oh of course, moonbat. On the one hand, you bleat angrily that I keep bumping up years-old threads, which, shazzam, are filled with sources.Then on the other hand, you claim that "none of us have ever seen" them." Makes perfect sense.Lie much?As you were told? ROFLMFAOIs that what you call 'overwhelming evidence'?No, in fact I admitted that it wasn't, one of the rare times I haven't.Lie much?All you have is nothing but to call people liars, and insist that you hold the one and only truth, because you said so."All I have."You've sunk to skeptic-level depths of dishonesty. How sad.