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I don't think the government is forcing anyone to take Social Security, Medicare or Food Stamps.Anyone who thinks that accepting those things means they have to sacrifice their liberty, can always turn them down. Onl a fool would pay into SS and Medicare for their entire work life and then not take the benefits when they retire. It's a perfect government-created dependency. We want to get SOMETHING, ANYTHING!!! for all the damn money we've had to sink into the Federal government against our will. GEEZ!

MistyBlue, on 20 February 2012 - 01:01 PM, said: I don't think the government is forcing anyone to take Social Security, Medicare or Food Stamps.Anyone who thinks that accepting those things means they have to sacrifice their liberty, can always turn them down.Onl a fool would pay into SS and Medicare for their entire work life and then not take the benefits when they retire. It's a perfect government-created dependency. We want to get SOMETHING, ANYTHING!!! for all the damn money we've had to sink into the Federal government against our will. GEEZ!Exactly.Also, liberals claim that S.S. and Medicare are very "popular."Okay, let's make them 100% voluntary and see how many younger Americans opt out.So much for the lie that they're popular.

Little Miss Marxist can't debate honestly on the issues, so she lies and smears. Typical Leftist. Clem's idea of debate.Stupid clueless moonbat. You're a shameless liar.Everyone on the board can see my destroy your Democrat Talking Point Lies.You're a shameless lying shill for the Democrat Party.Disingenuous, clueless, Leftist moonbat. Lying partisan hack.That's your Modus Operandi; lie, smear and spread Democrat Talking Point Lies.One of the biggest lies that's ever been told.As she spreads every Democrat Talking Point that the DNC has ever written.Why should we believe, a shameless liar like you? Stupid moonbat. I find it strange that someone who claims not to be a Democrat will spend so much time spreading their Talking Point Lies.Just an "ordinary American" who spreads every Democrat Talking Point Lie as fast as the DNC can write them.You're nothing if not a dishonest coward. Another shameless lying moonbat.I discredit you because you're a shameless lying hack and shill for the Democrat Party.Gosh, I just can't keep up with your lies and dishonest smears. Lie much?That's a lie, big surprise.Lie much?She lies.Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie!Whatever it was you claimed, it was a lie, as usual.Rotsa ruck, liar.

It's like thisNo...it's like this.....Tea Partiers don't want their government programs touched.BTW, your image totally misrepresents the message of Occupy Wall Street.I guess you don't understand the movement.It's not about 'take care of us all'. it's about level the playing field, so we can have a fair shot at taking care of ourselves.I'm kind of sick of the Conservative meme that all of us Libs want the government to take care of us.This Lib has never benefited from any government program.No welfare, no Medicaid, no food stamps, no disability, no unemployment benefits, no pell grants, no nothing.And, even though I did pay some money into Social Security, I won't be getting any of that back when I reach 65 either, since I also payed into the CSRS for decades, and I can't get both.Oh and excuse me for being a civil service worker, I know that makes me just a horrible person too.Scum of the Earth. Edited by MistyBlue, 20 February 2012 - 02:54 PM.

No...it's like this.....BTW, your image totally misrepresents the message of Occupy Wall Street.I guess you don't understand the movement.It's not about 'take care of us all'. it's about level the playing field, so we can have a fair shot at taking care of ourselves.I'm kind of sick of the Conservative meme that all of us Libs want the government to take care of us.This Lib has never benefited from any government program.No welfare, no Medicaid, no food stamps, no disability, no unemployment benefits, no pell grants, no nothing.And, even though I did pay some money into Social Security, I won't be getting any of that back when I reach 65 either, since I also payed into the CSRS for decades, and I can't get both.Oh and excuse me for being a civil service worker, I know that makes me just a horrible person too.Scum of the Earth.Oh, we understand the movement just fine.

No...it's like this.....Tea Partiers don't want their government programs touched.Bulls***. They wanted to prevent Obama from taking 100's of billions of dollars from Medicare for his re-destributive Obam-care program.Most Tea Party members would like the freedom to opt out of Liberal Welfare State programs.While leaving others the freedom to say in them, if they so choose.BTW, your image totally misrepresents the message of Occupy Wall Street.I guess you don't understand the movement.It's not about 'take care of us all'. it's about level the playing field, so we can have a fair shot at taking care of ourselves.Bulls***. Aside from ending bailouts and subsidies, with which almost all conservatives agree, the OWS agenda is a vast infringement on others' freedom and demands of more of Other People's Money.They're the moonbat, fringe Left, the Usual Suspects.I'm kind of sick of the Conservative meme that all of us Libs want the government to take care of us.Oh yeah, let's pretend we don't know liberals' long, long, long history of exactly that; the Liberal Welfare State.

Oh, we understand the movement just fine.Nice of you to cherry pick a few signs to make it look like the whole Occupy movement is made up of Socialists. I could do the same to make the whole Tea Party look like a bunch of filthy racists.Say what you will about the Occupy Movement, but before it started, no one was talking about income inequality and the struggles of the middle class in this country, were they?

Nice of you to cherry pick a few signs to make it look like the whole Occupy movement is made up of Socialists. I could do the same to make the whole Tea Party look like a bunch of filthy racists.Oh, that'd be novel.........NOT!Say what you will about the Occupy Movement, but before it started, no one was talking about income inequality and the struggles of the middle class in this country, were they?Who are you kidding? Liberals trot that out for every election. It's page 1 in the DNC Handbook. Class Warfare is always a big vote getter amongst the downtrodden fools. LOL

Nice of you to cherry pick a few signs to make it look like the whole Occupy movement is made up of Socialists.A Democrat pollster did an in depth study of OWS, and they are the fringe moonbat left.Contrary to your stupid claims they're not. I could do the same to make the whole Tea Party look like a bunch of filthy racists.And you did, from what I recall.Say what you will about the Occupy Movement, but before it started, no one was talking about income inequality and the struggles of the middle class in this country, were they?The problem isn't inequality. The problem is stupid, failed, liberal-left policies.

No...it's like this.....Tea Partiers don't want their government programs touched.BTW, your image totally misrepresents the message of Occupy Wall Street.I guess you don't understand the movement.It's not about 'take care of us all'. it's about level the playing field, so we can have a fair shot at taking care of ourselves.You're not an occupier.I'm kind of sick of the Conservative meme that all of us Libs want the government to take care of us.This Lib has never benefited from any government program.No welfare, no Medicaid, no food stamps, no disability, no unemployment benefits, no pell grants, no nothing.Running the mail isn't a "government program"?And, even though I did pay some money into Social Security, I won't be getting any of that back when I reach 65 either, since I also payed into the CSRS for decades, and I can't get both.That's your choice, right?Why can't the rest of the country enjoy the same choices you do?Oh and excuse me for being a civil service worker, I know that makes me just a horrible person too.Scum of the Earth.Who pissed in your Cheerios?

MistyBlue, on 20 February 2012 - 02:05 PM, said: I'm kind of sick of the Conservative meme that all of us Libs want the government to take care of us.This Lib has never benefited from any government program.No welfare, no Medicaid, no food stamps, no disability, no unemployment benefits, no pell grants, no nothing.Running the mail isn't a "government program"?The Post Office isn't protected from Free Market competition by federal law that makes it a serious crime to put mail in Americans' own mailbox?That takes away their choice?MistyBlue, on 20 February 2012 - 02:05 PM, said: And, even though I did pay some money into Social Security, I won't be getting any of that back when I reach 65 either, since I also payed into the CSRS for decades, and I can't get both.That's your choice, right?Why can't the rest of the country enjoy the same choices you do?Because like all liberal-left wingers, she's against most free choices. She wants Americans' lives to be run by Beltway politicians by force of federal law under penalty of fine or imprisonment.It would be fair that someone who paid into S.S. then later became ineligible should be able to get the money they paid back.She unwittingly makes our case for us.

No...it's like this.....Tea Partiers don't want their government programs touched.BTW, your image totally misrepresents the message of Occupy Wall Street.I guess you don't understand the movement.It's not about 'take care of us all'. it's about level the playing field, so we can have a fair shot at taking care of ourselves.I'm kind of sick of the Conservative meme that all of us Libs want the government to take care of us.This Lib has never benefited from any government program.No welfare, no Medicaid, no food stamps, no disability, no unemployment benefits, no pell grants, no nothing.And, even though I did pay some money into Social Security, I won't be getting any of that back when I reach 65 either, since I also payed into the CSRS for decades, and I can't get both.Oh and excuse me for being a civil service worker, I know that makes me just a horrible person too.Scum of the Earth.Exactly...great thread btw!

Exactly...great thread btw!As he ignores all the posts that utterly refute almost all her claims in this thread.BTW, Henry, you never did respond to my point about Iran creating a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.Why not? Doesn't fit into your head? Edited by RichClem, 20 February 2012 - 04:50 PM.

Rick Santorum is becoming increasingly unhinged in his public comments.In a speech at the Detroit Economic Club on Thursday, Santorum said, Im not about equality of result when it comes to income inequality. There is income inequality in America. There always has been and, hopefully, and I do say that, there always will be. Last week, he said that the president was arguing that Catholics would have to hire women priests to comply with employment discrimination issues. Also last week, he suggested that liberals and the president were leading religious people into oppression and even beheadings. I kid you not. Santorum said: They are taking faith and crushing it. Why? When you marginalize faith in America, when you remove the pillar of God-given rights, then whats left is the French Revolution. Whats left is a government that gives you rights. Whats left are no unalienable rights. Whats left is a government that will tell you who you are, what youll do and when youll do it. Whats left in France became the guillotine. http://www.nytimes.c...ines&emc=tha212On Saturday Santorum told supporters of the conservative Tea Party movement in Columbus Ohio, "It's not about you. (the president's environmental views) It's not about your quality of life. It's not about your jobs. It's about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Oh, not a theology based on the Bible -- a different theology."Many in the media reported that Santorum was somehow suggesting Mr. Obama wasn't a Christian. On "Face the Nation" on CBS on Sunday, Santorum said he wasn't talking about the president's religious faith, but his liberal ideology. "I've repeatedly said I believe the president is a Christian,' Santorum remarked."He's says he's a Christian. But I am talking about his world view and the way he approaches problems in this country, and I think they're different than how most people do in America."http://www.cbsnews.c...logy-draws-ire/Can you hear the dogwhistle? He's different. He's not one of us.On Sunday Santorum challenged the Affordable Care Act policy on pre-natal testing.The government shouldn't make health care providers fully cover prenatal tests like amniocentesis, which can determine the possibility of Down syndrome or other fetal problems, Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said Sunday.Santorum, an outspoken opponent of abortion rights, told the CBS News program "Face the Nation" on Sunday that amniocentesis "more often than not" results in abortion.He added that the requirement was "another hidden message as to what President Obama thinks of those who are less able."http://articles.cnn....?_s=PM:POLITICSI find it fascinating that all these Republican candidates seem to think that they can read President Obama's mind.Santorum seems to think that he knows what Obama thinks of those who are less able.Before he breaks out singing America The Beautiful, Romney says that Obama does not understand the nature of America, and that he wants it to become like Europe.And Gingrich says that Obama has worked very hard at being a person who is normal, reasonable, moderate, bipartisan, transparent, accommodating -- none of which is true. Gingrich also posed the question, "What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anticolonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?"

Rick Santorum is becoming increasingly unhinged in his public comments.Oh gosh, the usual MSM anti-conservative propaganda. Ho hum.Can you hear the dogwhistle? He's different. He's not one of us.How many of "us" are Socialist/Marxist moonbats?How many of "us" would make someone like racist, anti-semitic, anti-American, Marxist-Communist moonbat Reverend Wright our spiritual mentor?How many of "us" would Socialize US health care and the American financial sector?Duuuh.I find it fascinating that all these Republican candidates seem to think that they can read President Obama's mind.Santorum seems to think that he knows what Obama thinks of those who are less able.Before he breaks out singing America The Beautiful, Romney says that Obama does not understand the nature of America, and that he wants it to become like Europe.And Gingrich says that Obama has worked very hard at being a person who is normal, reasonable, moderate, bipartisan, transparent, accommodating -- none of which is true. Gingrich also posed the question, "What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anticolonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?"If we can't understand Obama by both his words and his actions, we never will.Duuh.

Running the mail isn't a "government program"?The Postal Service is an independent agency of the United States government, and receives no tax dollars for operating expenses. It relies solely on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations.MistyBlue, on 20 February 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:And, even though I did pay some money into Social Security, I won't be getting any of that back when I reach 65 either...Chuck!: That's your choice, right?No. It's not my choice.I paid some money into Social Security before I joined the Postal Service. I probably won't get any of that back.My husband paid in a lot more than I did, and his SS benefits will be reduced to 40% of what he would have gotten had he not been a CSRS retiree.It's a little something called the 'Windfall Elimination Provision', like we're gonna get rich off SS.

Running the mail isn't a "government program"?The Postal Service is an independent agency of the United States government, and receives no tax dollars for operating expenses. It relies solely on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations."Independent." Even as Post Office lobbyists desperately seek their the next bailout.And like most government programs, it eliminated much of its competition by making it a federal crime to put anything in individual American's own mailboxes.Liberal Fascism on display.If that law were repealed to allow competition, the Post Office would go belly up as private sector competitors offered Americans better, cheaper service.

The Post Office isn't protected from Free Market competition by federal law that makes it a serious crime to put mail in Americans' own mailbox?That takes away their choice?Because like all liberal-left wingers, she's against most free choices. She wants Americans' lives to be run by Beltway politicians by force of federal law under penalty of fine or imprisonment.It would be fair that someone who paid into S.S. then later became ineligible should be able to get the money they paid back.She unwittingly makes our case for us.Since WE, THE PEOPLE, are paying her retirement benefits, I'm not too concerned that she actually paid something into SS. She's still way ahead of the game...or should I say gaming.

Speaking of flying monkeys.....Everything has been put in place for Bush to declare himself King.All he needs is some type of emergency. Edited by RichClem, 21 February 2012 - 03:21 PM.

Since WE, THE PEOPLE, are paying her retirement benefits....Why do you right wing pinheads always talk about civil service employees as if we live on another plane of existence?We are taxpayers as well, so we are 'WE THE PEOPLE'.And BTW, I also contributed a portion of my salary to my retirement fund.I guess that doesn't count.White POS Bread: I'm not too concerned that she actually paid something into SS. She's still way ahead of the game...or should I say gaming.So you think I'm gaming the system? ROFLOf course when you think of Postal Service, you only think about Letter Carriers or Window Clerks, who work days and have off weekends and holidays.You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes to get your mail to you every day.My husband and I worked nights weekends and holidays, at a crappy job that we hated for decades.We sacrificed a lot, missing out on many family events, because we had to work.And no little POS like you is going to tell us that we don't deserve to enjoy a decent retirement.Ask my husband what it was like out on the tarmack at JFK Airport when it was 98 degrees in the summer or 15 degrees in the winter.I'd love to see you tell him to his face that he's getting something he doesn't deserve by 'gaming the system'.MistyBlue, on 20 February 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:Oh and excuse me for being a civil service worker, I know that makes me just a horrible person too.Scum of the Earth.Who pissed in your Cheerios?Now do you understand why I said that?This little White POS Bread says I'm 'gaming the system', and he wants me to kiss his ***, because he's 'paying my retirement benefits'.I guess I just imagined that I worked in a filthy job that I hated for all those years, and I should be grateful for the generosity of people like White POS Bread for taking care of me in my golden years.Well thank you White POS Bread, and **** YOU too.