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MistyBlue, on 22 February 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:Governor Bob McDonnell [R-Virginia]....generally, he's governing in a mainstream conservative way.Really? What about the personhood bill that was even too radical for Mississippi?Is that mainstream?If so, why did it fail by double digits in both Colorado and Mississippi?No comment on the stuff that Bob McDonnel wrote in his thesis when he was 34 years old?'Leaders', Bob McDonnell argued, 'must correct the folklore about the separation of church and state'. He called on 'every level of government to use public policy to punish cohabitators, homosexuals or fornicators'.He said, 'Man`s basic nature is inclined toward evil, when the exercise of liberty takes the shape of pornography, drug abuse or homosexuality, the government must restrain, punish and deter'.Bob McDonnell said the Supreme Court ruling in Griswold v. Connecticut which said states can`t criminalize contraception, was illogical. He then came out raging against, 'the perverted notion of liberty, that each individual should be able to live out his sexual life in the way he chooses, without interference from the state'.Does that stuff sound mainstream to you Puss?Do you agree that the idea of separation between church and state is 'folklore'?Do you agree that government should use public policy to punish cohabitators, homosexuals or fornicators?Do you agree that the notion that each individual should be able to live out his sexual life in the way he chooses, without interference from the state, is a 'perverted notion of liberty'?Before you go telling me that he may have written that stuff, but he hasn't governed that way, The Washington Post actually did an analysis of his thesis and found that of the 15 things listed in it, McDonnell has already worked on legislation to address 10 of them. So he is governing exactly that way.He sponsored four bills to make divorce more difficult in Virginia. Bob McDonnell`s thesis had said that the, "trend of working women was ultimately detrimental to the family." Once Bob McDonnell got into the state legislature he voted against the resolution calling for the end of pay discrepancies between men and women. The resolution essentially said, we think men and women ought to get paid the same if they do the same work. Bob McDonnell voted no on that.He even co-sponsored legislation that could have made it illegal to swear in an e-mail that was sent from Virginia.There's a real small government Conservative for you.He wanted to outlaw cursing in e-mails. **** that. Edited by MistyBlue, 22 February 2012 - 08:34 PM.

Really? What about the personhood bill that was even too radical for Mississippi?Is that mainstream?If so, why did it fail by double digits in both Colorado and Mississippi?Neither of us know if McDonnell knew all the details of the bill. I assumed it only mandated external ultrasounds, which I support.In any case, the bill is being changed to what's generally acceptable.No comment on the stuff that Bob McDonnel wrote in his thesis when he was 34 years old?No. He's not governing by that thesis.Obama as a rising politician attended Reverend Wright's moonbat left church and left just before he assumed the office of the presidency. He's governing to a large degree by what was preached there. Both he and Wright have said that he accepts what Wright preached.Yet all you've done is stonewall and lie to deny the huge significance of that relationship, of Obama's racist, Radical Left philosophy.

See this is where I stop reading your post, because if you're going to post in my thread, then you'd better bring the facts.You never paid my salary. The Postal Service gets no money from US taxpayers. It supports itself from the sale of stamps and other Postal products.You can even ask Clem. He posted a link in another thread that said:"The USPS, in addition to being essentially forbidden to earn a profit, receives no direct public funding."http://www.nationalr...bert-verbruggenYou're correct. It receives no direct public funding TODAY. That changed in ~1982. You are, however, given a government-granted monopoly on the use of people's mailboxes that prevents competition. Monopolies are a form of subsidy, BTW. That statement was total hogsnot.You and Clem both seem to think that you can get away with that **** here in my thread.Read back and see how Clem tried to squirm his way out of it when I called him on that ****. You do yourself a great disservice by parroting what you hear right wing pundits say, without fact checking it.That's where the title of this thread comes from. It's based on that premise that many right wingers tend to be like the Flying Monkeys from the Wizard of Oz, who blindly take their marching orders.And they never disappoint.How many times has the USPS gone to Congress, hat in hand, asking for an increase in the price of postage? What private industry do you know of that gets to wave its magic wand and increase its prices via government statute?The taxpayer subsidizes an inefficient postal service every day in the form of mandated rates given to the USPS via a government-granted monopoly.Are you familiar with H.R. 1351?In your eyes I seem to have committed a felony by trying to make a decent living to support my family.I really don't understand that whole attitude. I would never begrudge you or anyone else the right to make a decent living.So since you seem to have so much contempt for me, how about you stay out of my thread?What's the matter? Are you afraid to debate the post office with someone that has more than "rightwing" soundbytes worth of knowledge? Name me a private company that has a standing $15Billion line of credit with the Treasury Department. The USPS does.None of your **** business.Your questions reek of envy.I don't envy you in the least. I'm guessing that I make multiples of what the post office paid you. The difference is, nobody is subsidizing me. While you claim that the taxpayer isn't paying your way, you're speaking half-truths. The taxpayer is funding the USPS via stamp sales granted to an institution that has no competition by governmental edict.Ha, ha, ha, isn't it amazing how the moonbats who bleat endlessly in support of re-distributing Other People's Money in Marxist fashion are so sensitive about how much they've bilked others for?They've got theirs, so screw you!Say Missy, why no comment on how radical Obama and his spiritual mentor are?She doesn't want to speak about the facts because the facts will bite her in the ***. The facts are that postal workers make higher wages, have better healthcare and retirement bennies and are granted a monopoly to continue by the Federal government. 80% of the bloated costs at the post office are for unionized labor. We need to replace them with robots that can't "Go postal". LOL

MistyBlue, on 22 February 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:You're correct. It receives no direct public funding TODAY. That changed in ~1982. You are, however, given a government-granted monopoly on the use of people's mailboxes that prevents competition. Monopolies are a form of subsidy, BTW.....The taxpayer is funding the USPS via stamp sales granted to an institution that has no competition by governmental edict.Say, remind me, who was president in 1982?Confucius made the point that if a leader offends the bureaucracy, the bureaucracy never forgets. That's just one reason Democrats hate Reagan or any president who cuts off the water spigot.I've made the same point about the monopoly on mailboxes, but all she does is bleat and dissemble.

Say, remind me, who was president in 1982?Confucius made the point that if a leader offends the bureaucracy, the bureaucracy never forgets. That's just one reason Democrats hate Reagan or any president who cuts off the water spigot.I've made the same point about the monopoly on mailboxes, but all she does is bleat and dissemble.She doesn't want to acknowledge that a government-statutory monopoly is a form of subsidy because if she does, her entire argument implodes.

She doesn't want to acknowledge that a government-statutory monopoly is a form of subsidy because if she does, her entire argument implodes.Yeah, she has four styles of "debate."1) Stonewall.2) Evade3) Lie.4) Attack you personally.

Yeah, she has four styles of "debate."1) Stonewall.2) Evade3) Lie.4) Attack you personally.Projection really is your only skill.

Projection really is your only skill.Not true. I'm a pretty good ping pong player.Could an honest, sane person have made the claim you just did?

Not true. I'm a pretty good ping pong player.Could an honest, sane person have made the claim you just did?An actual honest, sane person would have great difficulty denying it.

Projection really is your only skill.I think septic is a pretty accurate moniker for you. You love to wallow in ****. LOL

I think septic is a pretty accurate moniker for you. You love to wallow in ****. LOL"wallow in ****" is probably a better moniker for you, tinkerbell.

Yadda....yadda....yadda....That's good. Align yourself with that nutbag RichClem.I don't give a flying **** what either one of you thinks about the Postal Service, unions or anything else for that matter.I did my time, and now I'm sitting back and collecting my pension. And I have excellent health care too.Isn't America grand?When the Postal Service is privatized, maybe you can move to Mayfield and help Clem (aka Ward Cleaver) pick up your neighbor's mail.Don't forget your time machine, because you'll have to travel back to the 1950s.If worse came to worse, it (mail) would be delivered in bulk to an area, divided into large parcels, and neighbors would help each other out. Wow, it'd be really tough for me to drive half a mile, pick up my mail and that of my neighbors a few times a week, right?The idea that Americans can't manage to get their own mail or help others is utterly absurd, leftist psychosis.Clem is dying to get his hands on other people's mail, and very anxious to be able to put things into their mailboxes.Yeah, she has four styles of "debate."1) Stonewall.2) Evade3) Lie.4) Attack you personally.You must have been looking in a **** mirror when you said that.

Skeptic, on 23 February 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:Projection really is your only skill.Not true. I'm a pretty good ping pong player.Does your dick still work after you play ping pong?after I play an hour and a half of full court basketball as power forward, I come home and my d**k doesn't work.

I think this is an issue that Democrats should push down the Republican's throats up till election day. The President can't lose on this issue. It is a question of 1st Amendment Rights but not at all what Republican's think. This brings to the forefront an issue that has needed addressed for a very long time. Woman, as we all do, have the 1st Amendment guaranteeing us Freedom FROM religion. Republicans are right, this is much bigger than just contraception. It is time that fundamentalist Christian Politicians be brought to task. These fanatics need to be run out of politics altogether. They're a disgrace to the Constitution and the founders who were, contrary to conservative belief, Deists not Christian. "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law" -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814 . The Constitution does not and never was intended for 2% of the population to scream religious freedom every time they don't like a law. Republicans, including the 4 clowns running for President, are kidding themselves if they think this crap is going to fly in the 21st Century. Gosh, I'm must a right wing flying monkey, but can you quote the part of the Constitution that guarantees a "freedom from religion?"Driven out of politics? How tolerant.Thanks for showing clearly the totalitarian-lite mentality of the liberal-left.You want to run against religion in a highly religious, mostly Christian country? You think that's a no loser?You're quite psychotic. Interesting that you would remove Jefferson's quote from my post. "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law" -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814 .Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.No surprise that you don't know what part of the constitution provides freedom from religion. The very first line of the 1st Amendment is often ignored by Conservative politicians as well. Since putting an exception in a law for a religion would be respecting said religion, those who are pushing such an agenda are in direct violation of the constitution. If your view of the constitution had legal precedence then under Fundamentalist Islamic Sharia Law Woman could be raped by their husbands. Any law preventing this, according to your interpretation of the constitution, would be violating Muslim's freedom of religion. Fortunately your view of the constitution is not shared by any federal court.Why? We aren't governed by Jefferson's personal opinions. We're governed by the Constitution. Nor have I claimed that we are governed by Christianity, duuh.Oh my gosh, you have the issue utterly backwards, as usual.The State via Obama-care cannot force Catholics to violate their religious beliefs, to be subservient to federal law, especially on a matter of what they believe to be life.That's a key part of the 1st Amendment; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.What, did you forget about those words?Get some meds, you psychotic.You're just confirming what I already new about you. You have absolutely no clue what the meaning of the first amendment is. More importantly you have no clue how legal precedence works. If your view of the constitution had legal precedence then under Fundamentalist Islamic Sharia Law Woman could be raped by their husbands. Any law preventing this, according to your interpretation of the constitution, would be violating Muslim's freedom of religion. Fortunately your view of the constitution is not shared by any federal court.Free exercise of religion means you can go to church and prey without the threat of being hunted down and shot for it. It is not an excuse to prevent your employees access to health care benefits or and excuse to rape your wife. Edited by Oldschool, 23 February 2012 - 05:02 PM.

LOL, those are hilarious, thanks Oldschool.

LOL, those are hilarious, thanks Oldschool.They belong in clem-bat's "Skeptic - constitutional expert" thread.

Does your dick still work after you play ping pong?RichClem, on 30 March 2011 - 12:53 PM, said: after I play an hour and a half of full court basketball as power forward, I come home and my d**k doesn't work.Oh, how clever. Cut out some words and the smiley face.The full quote was:RichClem, on 30 March 2011 - 12:53 PM, said: Oh yeah, sure, right, after I play an hour and a half of full court basketball as power forward, I come home and my d**k doesn't work.Lie much?\When the Postal Service is privatized, maybe you can move to Mayfield and help Clem (aka Ward Cleaver) pick up your neighbor's mail.Don't forget your time machine, because you'll have to travel back to the 1950s.Clem is dying to get his hands on other people's mail, and very anxious to be able to put things into their mailboxes.Yeah, she has four styles of "debate."1) Stonewall.2) Evade3) Lie.4) Attack you personally.You must have been looking in a banned word mirror when you said that.Hey, you're slipping. You only got two out of four. Edited by RichClem, 23 February 2012 - 05:42 PM.

Cut out some words and the smiley face.Okay.I wish you'd be raped.

They belong in clem-bat's "Skeptic - constitutional expert" thread.A fine addition, I would think.

25% of super PAC money coming from just 5 rich donors.Five wealthy people have donated nearly $1 of every $4 flowing to the super PACs raising unlimited money in this year's presidential race, a USA TODAY analysis shows.Dallas industrialist Harold SimmonsVegas casino mogul Sheldon AdelsonSheldon Adelson's wife MiriamPayPal founder Peter ThielHouston home builder Bob Perry All five of the donors donated to Republican-leaning groups.In a similar vein, the Associated Press found that of the $60 million collected by candidate-aligned super PACs, $33 million came from just 24 individuals.Why bother having an election?Why don't we just ask this elite group who they would like in the White House?I'm sure Clem will be along shortly to tell me that I'm against Free Speech, because I don't agree with the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS.My question for him is (not that he'll answer)......Do you really think that this is good for democracy, and do you believe this is what the Founders of this country would have wanted?