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I can't cite a source, because almost every time I do, either your vision fails or you develop amnesia or both.I'm really worried about your medical condition.If I were you, I'd be a lot more concerned about the state of your own sanity.What kind of a nut obsessively follows someone around on an internet forum for four years?What is the mental health of someone who day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, spreads Democrat Talking Point Lies, disinformation and propaganda?I mean, anyone who lies for years about an actual, real life rape, then smears the victim really ought to consult a mental health professional.

Wisconsin Voter ID Supporter Caught Voting for ColleagueA Wisconsin state representative who supported the state's voter ID law is now be accused of voter fraud himself. A YouTube video titled "Proof Of Voter Fraud In The Wisconsin State Assembly" shows Republican state Rep. Joel Kleefisch getting out of his chair to electronically cast a vote for a member who was away from the Assembly floor. Wisconsin state Assembly rule 76 clearly says that "only the members present in the assembly chamber may vote."More Republican voter fraud......INDIANAPOLIS (Reuters) - An Indiana judge refused on Thursday to reduce former Secretary of State Charlie White's conviction on voter fraud and other felony charges to misdemeanors, a decision that makes the Republican ineligible under state law to hold public office.White's attorneys had asked Hamilton County Judge Steve Nation to cut the six felony convictions to misdemeanors so the 42-year-old, who has no criminal background, could serve out his term as the state's top election official.But Nation refused the request, saying White's crime was "not a mistake but an intentional act" that had "violated the trust of the people."He sentenced White, the former chairman of the Republican Party in Hamilton County, a suburb of Indianapolis, to one year of home detention and 30 hours of community service and fined him $1,000.http://www.chicagotr...0,4201226.storyOn the day of Charlie White's conviction, Governor Mitch Daniels [R] said this:I have chosen not to make a permanent appointment today out of respect for the judges authority to lessen the verdict to a misdemeanor and reinstate the elected office holder," Daniels said in a statement just minutes after news of the verdict. "If the felony convictions are not altered, I anticipate making a permanent appointment quickly.http://www.wane.com/...charges_4063309IOW he would have put a man who was convicted of voter fraud back in charge of Indiana's elections.

More Republican voter fraud......A YouTube video titled "Proof Of Voter Fraud In The Wisconsin State Assembly" shows Republican state Rep. Joel Kleefisch getting out of his chair to electronically cast a vote for a member who was away from the Assembly floor.Talk about desperate. That's a practice both parties practice in one way or another at the state and federal level.Get a freaking life.On the day of Charlie White's conviction, Governor Mitch Daniels [R] said this:IOW he would have put a man who was convicted of voter fraud back in charge of Indiana's elections.Let's take a look at the massive voter fraud that was committed.From your source:The charges centered around allegations that White was registered at his ex-wife's home when he voted in the May primary even though he lived at a new townhouse on the other side of Fishers, making him ineligible to run for office.Want to see real voter fraud? Strange that you bring up Indiana, when this case is far, far, far worse. Obama might not be president without this huge commission of voter fraud. I'm sure your vision will fail you, as it almost always does when I cite important information.Indiana Democratic Party Head Resigns as Fraud Probe Heats UpBy Eric ShawnPublished December 12, 2011FoxNews.comThe chairman of the Indiana Democratic Party announced his resignation Monday, as investigators probe allegations of election fraud stemming from the 2008 Democratic presidential primary.Dan Parker, who served for seven years, did not cite the scandal as a reason for his decision. But the uproar over possible fraud in a race for the White House has already claimed the job of one county Democratic Chairman, who sources say was forced out because of the allegations.Numerous signatures on petitions that placed then-candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the party's primary ballot were allegedly forged and then certified by the St. Joseph County Voter Registration Office in South Bend.St. Joseph County Prosecutor Mike Dvorak has launched an investigation.Parker, in a statement, said that "after seven years, it is time for a new leader to embrace our past successes and take up our future challenges." He also wrote that "I love the Indiana Democratic Party, and it has been my great honor to serve at its Chair."Benjamin Ray, the Indiana Democratic Party press secretary, told Fox News that the forgery allegations involving the presidential primary petitions were not a factor in Parker's decision to step down."No, absolutely not," Ray said.When the allegations first broke in October, Parker issued a statement that "we continue to support the ongoing investigation to determine how this isolated incident occurred and hold anyone involved accountable."The alleged forgeries have raised the question whether the Obama campaign actually filed the necessary number of signatures, 500 from the county, to get on the state's primary ballot. The 534 signatures that were certified to place Obama's name in contention, were never challenged. 704 signatures were certified for Clinton, according to state elections officials. An estimated 150 of the signatures on both petitions may be fakes, leaving open the possibility that, in at least President Obama's case, the number of legal signatures that were required to get on the ballot was not reached.Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1nKJG1e9A Edited by RichClem, 24 February 2012 - 01:52 PM.

What is the mental health of someone who day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, spreads Democrat Talking Point Lies, disinformation and propaganda?I mean, anyone who lies for years about an actual, real life rape, then smears the victim really ought to consult a mental health professional.You require therapy imo, try this Clem.Let us know if it helps, you never know.Sing out loud while you clap and before you respond on the keyboard.I gotta clap, clap, clap my crazies outclap, clap, clap my crazies outclap, clap, clap my crazies outand wiggle my waggles away.Raffi

I mean, anyone who lies for years about an actual, real life rape, then smears the victim really ought to consult a mental health professional.You require therapy imo, try this Clem.Let us know if it helps, you never know.Sing out loud while you clap and before you respond on the keyboard.I gotta clap, clap, clap my crazies outclap, clap, clap my crazies outclap, clap, clap my crazies outand wiggle my waggles away.RaffiWhat I wrote is factually true.How sad that reality makes you melt down.

Talk about desperate. That's a practice both parties practice in one way or another at the state and federal level.Get a freaking life.Let's take a look at the massive voter fraud that was committed.From your source:Want to see real voter fraud? Strange that you bring up Indiana, when this case is far, far, far worse. Obama might not be president without this huge commission of voter fraud. I'm sure your vision will fail you, as it almost always does when I cite important information.Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1nKJG1e9AGee! Misty reports convictions of Republicans in a Republican state;Clem-bat reports allegations toward Democrats in a Republican state. More typical 'false equivalence' from our right-wing fanatic.

Gee! Misty reports convictions of Republicans in a Republican state;Clem-bat reports allegations toward Democrats in a Republican state. More typical 'false equivalence' from our right-wing fanatic.I in fact rejected false equivalence.The crime committed by the Democrat was far worse the one by the Repub.The Democrat very likely will serve jail time.Oh, I forget. You're the lying troll who still claims Clinton did nothing illegal, that there was, guffaw, no evidence against him.Lie much? Edited by RichClem, 24 February 2012 - 02:13 PM.

What I wrote is factually true.How sad that reality makes you melt down.What melt down, your continual obsession with Misty all these years? You're unstable Clem.

I in fact rejected false equivalence.The crime committed by the Democrat was far worse the one by the Repub.The Democrat very likely will serve jail time.Oh, I forget. You're the lying troll who still claims Clinton did nothing illegal, that there was, guffaw, no evidence against him.Lie much?The Republican was CONVICTED!The Democrat has allegations against him.That's a 'false equivalence' that you drew, you insufferable moron.Clinton wasn't found guilty of a damned thing, you whiny, little cry-baby, troll! Get over it."Lie Much?" is a nice, new nom de plume for you, clem-bat.

What melt down, your continual obsession with Misty all these years? You're unstable Clem.I"m "unstable" because I detest the blatant lies and smears she spreads about conservative public figures?What strange judgment you have.Is she unstable for telling the endless lies she does?Clinton wasn't found guilty of a damned thing, you whiny, little cry-baby, troll! Get over it.You claimed that there was "no evidence" against him.Lie much? Edited by RichClem, 24 February 2012 - 02:24 PM.

You claimed that there was "no evidence" against him.Lie much?Let's see it, you stupid ***!Is this argument any different than it was four years ago?It's obvious that Clinton's clear victory is hot coals on your head -- for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS!Do you like Hell, clem-bat?

I"m "unstable" because I detest the blatant lies and smears she spreads about conservative public figures?What strange judgment you have.Is she unstable for telling the endless lies she does?You're unstable imo, due to in part, to your inability to identify an opinion from a lie. An opinion can have support...and there are degrees ofsupport. One can argue about sources and or is the assertion put forth, does it carry enough substance from the support/sources presentedin argument. Your tactic's are narcissistic, considering your age, when you declare yourself the winner.

You claimed that there was "no evidence" against him.Lie much? Let's see it, you stupid ***!Behold the great liberal intellectual of the board!!!!Lying, stonewalling, dissembling, evading, doing anything except admitting the undeniable truth.It's part of the long reported public record that Schippers, House Impeachment Managers and their employees collected sworn testimony and evidence against Clinton.But because I cannot show it here, because Clinton demanded it be sealed for 50 years, you claim that it doesn't exist.Lie much?

Behold the great liberal intellectual of the board!!!!Lying, stonewalling, dissembling, evading, doing anything except admitting the undeniable truth.It's part of the long reported public record that Schippers, House Impeachment Managers and their employees collected sworn testimony and evidence against Clinton.But because I cannot show it here, because Clinton demanded it be sealed for 50 years, you claim that it doesn't exist.Lie much?Yes, yes, the fruit-cake, Schippers...He's a 9/11 truther Puss.Late July 2001: David Schippers, noted conservative Chicago lawyer and the House Judiciary Committee's chief investigator in the Clinton impeachment trial, later claims that FBI agents in Chicago and Minnesota contact him around this time and tell him that a terrorist attack is going to occur in lower Manhattan. According to Schippers, the agents had been developing extensive information on the planned attack for many months. However, the FBI soon pulls them off the terrorist investigation and threatens them with prosecution under the National Security Act if they go public with the information. As a result, they contact Schippers hoping he can persuade the government to take action. Schippers tries to pass the information on to high government officials, but apparently his efforts are ignored. Partly in conjunction with Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm, Schippers is now representing at least ten FBI agents in a suit against the US government in an attempt to have their testimony subpoenaed, which would enable them to legally tell what they know without going to jail. [Judicial Watch, 11/14/01, World Net Daily, 10/21/01, Alex Jones Show, 10/10/01, note the sources are partisan, Schipper's claims are being reported nowhere else]http://www.wanttokno...-11timeline60pgJudicial Watch...World Nut Daily and Alex Jones.OMFG!Thanks for the laugh Puss.Schippers is a paranoid nutcase.So, where's the 'evidence,' clem-bat?You're unstable imo, due to in part, to your inability to identify an opinion from a lie. An opinion can have support...and there are degrees ofsupport. One can argue about sources and or is the assertion put forth, does it carry enough substance from the support/sources presentedin argument. Your tactic's are narcissistic, considering your age, when you declare yourself the winner.+++1000!!!

You're unstable imo, due to in part, to your inability to identify an opinion from a lie. An opinion can have support...and there are degrees ofsupport. One can argue about sources and or is the assertion put forth, does it carry enough substance from the support/sources presentedin argument.Is the following a lie? There was enough evidence that Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick that many Clinton supporters believed he is a rapist.There was no credible evidence whatsoever that Bill Clinton raped anybodySo the woman Schippers and his staff found extremely credible and the four contemporaneous witnesses who heard her story, saw her trauma and saw her badly bitten lip, including a nurse who treated it aren't credible evidence?Or how about the following?[All your knowledge comes from right wing opinion pieces.You don't know how to think for yourself, and only parrot what you read in those Op-Ed pieces.And you watch Fox NEWS.So, yes. You are a low information voter.Does "all my information come from "right wing opinion pieces?" Do I "know how to think for myself?"Am I a "low information voter?" However much I disagree with you and distrust your sources, you are hardly "low information."How about the following. Could an honest, sane person hold that opinion?I've written intelligently for years about diverse subjects and cited solid sources to support my opinions.But you've never seen any of them?Nobody has Puss.That's a figment of your imagination.Nobody has seen the sources I've cited? Your tactic's are narcissistic, considering your age, when you declare yourself the winner.I'm not unduly modest. When it's painfully obvious that I've won an exchange, I say so. Edited by RichClem, 24 February 2012 - 03:07 PM.

There's so little here, it's a little tough to respond.One person with whom I have a dispute refuses to admit that the boxes and boxes of evidence collected by Impeachment Prosecutor David Schippers actually contain evidence. Astounding, no? Troll skeptic claims that no evidence of Clinton's crimes that exists at all, a stunningly dishonest statement.Yet who do you castigate? Moi. Who are you excessively polite to? Troll skeptic, one of the most dishonest members of the board.Very puzzling. Perhaps you can explain?It's you, clem.Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality DisorderThe narcissistic personality disorder is one of the top three most difficult personality disorders to treat. It is defined as an ongoing pattern of grandiosity and need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. It should be noted that it is three times more common in males than females. These individuals have an obvious self love, and believe they are knowledgeable and indeed expert in a wide variety of areas. They are usually shocked when they are not praised for their efforts. These individuals are preoccupied with success and power. They feel they are gifted and talented. They may make statements like, I have a photographic memory, when in reality they do not. They rarely admit to a mistake or wrongdoing. They rarely apologize when the occasion arises. These individuals insist on having the best of everything. They are grossly defensive, and unable to look at themselves objectively. They have an inflated and false sense of entitlement, and lack of sensitivity towards others. They feel they deserve whatever they want or need. These individuals are extremely self-absorbed. If they are giving, they usually give monetarily, and are unable to give emotionally. They are viewed by others as arrogant and snobbish, act condescendingly towards healthcare providers and therapists in the assessment phase. It is also very common for these individuals to act ingratiatingly and very complimentary in the first session, very similar to traits found in sociopathic personality disorder. These individuals are extremely sensitive to criticism, although may not show it outwardly. When their shortcomings are targeted, however, they may appear extremely wounded.Causes of Narcissistic Personality DisorderThere are many theories regarding what causes a narcissistic personality disorder. Subsequently what you are about to read is one more theory, based on my experiences in treating many patients with narcissistic personality disorder. I have found definite commonalities between individuals from which one can draw conclusions regarding causation. As such, I believe one of the most common causes is impoverished self-esteem, occurring at a young age. These individuals often have a loss of a strong father figure in their lives. If they have not lost their father figure, then the father has been emotionally absent. These fathers are usually condescending, critical, and do not empower their children at a young age. Subsequently, as they grow older these children overcompensate for their lack of self-esteem, carrying with them some traits from their fathers such as the emotional distancing, while inflating their false sense of self worth. Sadly, individuals with narcissistic personality disorder really never find their true selves. In therapy, it is extremely difficult because these individuals are grossly defensive. When targeting a narcissistic personality disorder and in trying to reflect back to them perceptions of their loved ones and others around them, they become defensive, digging their heels into the sand, adamantly believing that it is everyone elses fault. This author has found that if the narcissists parents are still alive, it can be extremely beneficial to discuss with them the importance of focusing on some of the issues that exist, such as the father-son relationship, and some of the voids in that relationship. This may be of benefit in terms of turning around some of the symptomatology of the narcissist. The narcissists mother is usually a passive individual who has enabled the pathology to continue over the years. There may or may not be alcoholism present in the family.Narcissistic Personality DisorderNarcissism, as in excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance. noun (See egotism) definition: Psychology; extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type. Psychoanalysis; self-centeredness arising from failure to distinguish the self from external objects, either in very young babies or as a feature of mental disorder.Someone with Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of these symptoms:has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal lovebelieves that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)requires excessive admirationhas a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectationsis interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own endslacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of othersis often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or hershows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudesAssociated Features: Depressed Mood, Dramatic or Erratic or Antisocial PersonalityNarcissism 101Seek help. Really. I think most of us would hope that some therapy would help you find some peace and some resolution in your life.-------------------------------------------------------------Narcissistic personality disorderDefinitionBy Mayo Clinic staffNarcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism. Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school. Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around psychotherapy.SymptomsBy Mayo Clinic staffNarcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders. Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include: Believing that you're better than others Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness Exaggerating your achievements or talents Expecting constant praise and admiration Believing that you're special and acting accordingly Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans Taking advantage of others Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior Being jealous of others Believing that others are jealous of you Trouble keeping healthy relationships Setting unrealistic goals Being easily hurt and rejected Having a fragile self-esteem Appearing as tough-minded or unemotionalAlthough some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don't value themselves more than they value others. When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance. But underneath all this behavior often lies a fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better. When to see a doctorWhen you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may not want to think that anything could be wrong doing so wouldn't fit with your self-image of power and perfection. But by definition, narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of your life, such as relationships, work, school or your financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and confused by a mix of seemingly contradictory emotions. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling. If you notice any of these problems in your life, consider reaching out to a trusted health care provider or mental health provider. Getting the right treatment can help make your life more rewarding and enjoyable. CausesBy Mayo Clinic staffIt's not known what causes narcissistic personality disorder. As with other mental disorders, the cause is likely complex. Some evidence links the cause to a dysfunctional childhood, such as excessive pampering, extremely high expectations, abuse or neglect. Other evidence points to genetics or psychobiology the connection between the brain and behavior and thinking.Risk FactorsBy Mayo Clinic staffNarcissistic personality disorder is rare. It affects more men than women. Narcissistic personality disorder often begins in early adulthood. Although some adolescents may seem to have traits of narcissism, this may simply be typical of the age and doesn't mean they'll go on to develop narcissistic personality disorder. Although the cause of narcissistic personality disorder isn't known, researchers continue to learn more about the factors that may increase the risk of developing the condition. In the past, experts believed excessive praise, admiration and indulgence from parents may lead to a pathologically inflated sense of self. Today, however, psychiatrists believe parental neglect is more likely responsible. Risk factors for narcissistic personality disorder may include: Parental disdain for fears and needs expressed during childhood Lack of affection and praise during childhood Neglect and emotional abuse in childhood Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents Learning manipulative behaviors from parentsChildren who learn from their parents that vulnerability is unacceptable may lose their ability to empathize with others' needs. They may also mask their emotional needs with grandiose, egotistical behavior that's calculated to make them seem emotionally "bulletproof."Mayo Clinic: Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Yes, yes, the fruit-cake, Schippers...Yes, you're a very prolific, enthusiastic liar and smear artist, although you lack the subtlety little Miss Marxist shows.So, where's the 'evidence,' clem-bat?Behold, the board's great liberal intellectual!Oh gosh, maybe in the boxes and boxes and boxes of evidence and sworn testimony that Schippers, House Managers and their employees collected? The ones Clinton demanded by sealed for 50 years? Does that give you a hint?Is this the best liberals can do?Where are all the brilliant, ejucated, high-IQ liberals?

Is the following a lie? There was enough evidence that Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick that many Clinton supporters believed he is a rapist.That's your OPINION, nothing more.So the woman Schippers and his staff found extremely credible and the four contemporaneous witnesses who heard her story, saw her trauma and saw her badly bitten lip, including a nurse who treated it aren't credible evidence?That's THEIR OPINION.Or how about the following?Does "all my information come from "right wing opinion pieces?" Do I "know how to think for myself?"About 98%; I don't think so, though the illusion comforts you beyond morphine.Am I a "low information voter?" However much I disagree with you and distrust your sources, you are hardly "low information."Yes. BECAUSE you reflexively condemn anyone else's sources, while demanding your be taken seriously.How about the following. Could an honest, sane person hold that opinion?OF COURSE! Some honest, sane people occasionally have OPINIONS similar to YOURS!Nobody has seen the sources I've cited?Not that 'Clinton raped' anybody. Have YOU SEEN T?I'm not unduly modest. When it's painfully obvious that I've won an exchange, I say so.You've never won an exchange - except in your imagination!Yes, you're a very prolific, enthusiastic liar and smear artist, although you lack the subtlety little Miss Marxist shows.Behold, the board's great liberal intellectual!Oh gosh, maybe in the boxes and boxes and boxes of evidence and sworn testimony that Schippers, House Managers and their employees collected? The ones Clinton demanded by sealed for 50 years? Does that give you a hint?Is this the best liberals can do?Where are all the brilliant, ejucated, high-IQ liberals?Sowutz indem bockses, iinstine?

Talk about desperate. Let's take a look at the massive voter fraud that was committed. He was convicted of six felonies Puss, but to you that's no big deal, because he carries an 'R' after his name.Want to see real voter fraud?Do you mean the massive Democrat voter fraud that you're always blathering about?In the five years that Bush's Justice Dep't devoted itself to exposing massive voter fraud by Democrats, they uncovered 81 cases, many of which were people who mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules.Last year the Republican National Lawyers Association decided to look into it and their data showed that 30 states, including the District of Columbia, had 3 or less voter fraud convictions for a 10 year period.And in the states with higher convictions of improper voting, most involved voters improperly filling out registration forms, vote buying, voting in the wrong precinct or a person with a felony conviction attempting to vote.Not quite the rampant voter impersonation of dead people that you right wingnuts are always screeching about.Look who's first on the list in Indiana. It's Charlie White, the former Secretary of State I just posted about.Now I could easily cite the sources for everything I just said, since I do have the tabs open, but like you always say, I have cited them many times in the past, and besides you won't bother to read them anyway. LOL

Behold the great liberal intellectual of the board!!!!Lying, stonewalling, dissembling, evading, doing anything except admitting the undeniable truth.I cannot show it here, because Clinton demanded it be sealed for 50 years, you claim that it doesn't exist.If it's sealed how the **** did you see it?In your dreams?Or did you have to make another one of those phone calls?I called someone familiar with this bill and was told, yadda, yadda yadda.....I made a call and did some accurate research.