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Believe it or not there are millions of people in this country who don't have a government issued ID.Coincidently most of the people who will be disenfranchised by these laws, are people who tend to vote for Democrats.Well actually it's not a coincidence at all. That's the idea.So how do you feel about the officials in South Carolina lying about the many 'zombie voters' to justify their law?Republicans are the ones who don't want all things even.They know that the more people that vote, the more chance that Democrats win.That's why Republicans have been in the business of voter suppression and voter disenfranchisment for years.They make no secret of it.Paul Weyrich, "father" of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority and various other groups once said, "I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."I have to say I don't believe it, and for voters in Virginia to just be able to hold up their hand and say who they are, and then be able to vote, is preposterous. In Florida, we have to show an ID such as a driver's license. I think that isn't good enough. We have illegal aliens voting here galore because of that. There should be a stricter requirement to be able to vote. My guess is that Democrats want illegals to vote, and they think they don't have good IDs, and that's why they're against the ID process. All the more reason proof of citizenship should be mandatory. As for voter suppression, I'm 100% for it, especially when those being suppressed have no legal right to vote, and shouldn't even be in this country at all (illegal aliens).No, duh.LIAR !!!

Jeebus H black christ. Honestly, the Rich/misty.clemmy/cummslut deal is really getting old. Both sides.It's not 'both sides' Red.Read the quotes I just posted and see how this loon has targeted and followed me since I began posting here in 2008.I can't make a post without him being right behind me and spewing some kind of insane crap that usually has nothing to do with the subject of the thread. It's usually just him calling me a liar over and over, and some **** about Bill **** Clinton.If I said that the **** sun rises every morning, he'd call me a liar, and say that I defended a rapist (Clinton).In case you haven't noticed I rarely ever start threads any more, and that's because of him.He disrupts and derails every one of them.That's why I started this thread. So I could have a place to post things I'm interested in, I can ignore him if I choose to, and he won't be able to derail a whole bunch of other threads.So if you don't want to see Clem carrying on like a mental patient, I suggest you stay out of here, because that's all he does.crimsongulf: Good grief get a frikkin room and get your freak onI'd sooner pierce my labia with a rusty icepick than have sex with that maniac.

MistyBlue, on 24 February 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:Believe it or not there are millions of people in this country who don't have a government issued ID.I have to say I don't believe it...Well I could show you a source that says that 21 million people don't have a government issued photo ID, but I'm sure you wouldn't believe it either, so I won't waste my time.

South Carolina has passed one of the most restrictive voter I.D. laws in the country that could potentially disenfranchise thousands of voters. The Justice Dep't has blocked the law, and the state of South Carolina has filed a lawsuit challenging the DOJ.The lawsuit could cost the state upward of a million dollars or more.so the retards were caught lying again. It reaches the point that you cannot believe anything they put into print.

You just don't get it.Yes, I can recognize them, except that a couple years ago she smeared me in full seriousness in every active thread on the board that I "don't care about rape."She didn't to that in sarcasm or as a throw away insult, but fully seriously. An actual rape victim and others on the board believed her for a day or two. The poor rape victim was more than a little distraught.Those aren't the only ugly slanders she's made of me, far from it.This is her character. When I cited David Schippers about Clinton, she immediately posted some spurious non-evidence that made a decent man, a long-time Democrat of courage and integrity look like a crook.This is her character.When I cited John Fund on voter fraud, she immediately smeared him and strongly implied he's a liar and a child molester.This is her character.Take almost any issue ever discussed on the board, and this is how she approaches it. She doesn't debate in good faith. She lies and smears.I made a mistake to talk with you about this. You're only reliving it all over again,my apologies to Misty.I did not start posting here yesterday Clem, I'm well aware of the history. There were/are no lies by either of them..you're deeply confused. That youwould suggest to me that you're a victim here is beyond the pale.

So just what the hell is the problem with voter ID? Really, why do you all get so frikken worked up over having to prove you are a citizen and showing up and proving who you say you are?I really smell an opposition based on if all is even, things might be different than you wish.Going Commie on us, huh? Lets tatto a number on your skin, what is wrong with that??

I made a mistake to talk with you about this. You're only reliving it all over again,my apologies to Misty.I did not start posting here yesterday Clem, I'm well aware of the history.No apologies necessary Henry.Looks like Clem's going into meltdown again.Sometimes I actually feel sorry for him.He seems so tormented.

I made a mistake to talk with you about this. You're only reliving it all over again,my apologies to Misty.I did not start posting here yesterday Clem, I'm well aware of the history. There were/are no lies by either of them..you're deeply confused."There are no lies by either of them."Yes, it's a complete waste of time to have an exchange with you.Sure, right, the following is just an innocent question, not a smear!Didn't John Fund molest his girlfriend's daughter?And the following can't be a lie!The Republicans have such a dark pessimistic view of America. It's obvious that they hate this country.And the classic:There was no credible evidence whatsoever that Bill Clinton raped anybodyThat you would suggest to me that you're a victim here is beyond the pale.Strange, I didn't write a single word about being a victim. My only point was about their utter lack of integrity. Edited by RichClem, 24 February 2012 - 10:29 PM.

Strange, I didn't write a single word about being a victim.You're kidding right? That's all you ever do is whine about the many ways I have insulted you.Ignoring of course that you are the one who declared this a 'blood grudge match' years ago, and have called me every filthy thing you can possibly think of. You want to be free to spew crap about me, and when it comes back in your direction, you squeal like a 2 year old girl who had her lollipop snatched away.I'm logging off now, because you sound like you're about to pick up a high-powered rifle and climb a clock tower, and I don't want to be the one who pushed you over the edge into committing mass murder.Goodnight Puss.

If I said that the banned word sun rises every morning, he'd call me a liar, and say that I defended a rapist (Clinton).What utter hogwash. You express many, many opinions with which I disagree, but seem sincere, so I simply let them go.Stop lying, and I'll stop pointing it out.It is undeniably factually true that David Schippers, House Managers and staff collected evidence against Bill Clinton for weeks if not months, yet you've dissembled all day and for literally for years refusing to admit that undeniable fact is true.That is you. That is your utter lack of character, your deceit.Then you have the gall to bleat in anger when I call you on it.Stunning.Oh, so the following is an honest opinion?MistyBlue, on 16 February 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:I guess they prefer to penetrate a woman's vagina without her consent.Kind of like you.Clem: Naah, that's not a lie, never!That was a sarcastic remark based on your quote that said that a lack of consent does NOT mean rape.So it's a new lie, based on an old lie. Thanks for clearing that up.What kind of person in full seriousness tries to smear someone as a rapist?The same kind of person who'd lie for years on behalf of an actual rapist. Edited by RichClem, 24 February 2012 - 10:47 PM.

Well I could show you a source that says that 21 million people don't have a government issued photo ID, but I'm sure you wouldn't believe it either, so I won't waste my time.I also wouldn't care if they did or not. Getting a photo ID is one of the easiest things anybody could ever do. Hell, I'll bet even Mayhem Clem could do it. Bwa ha ha ha (Burt Reynolds laugh) If they don't take the time to go get one, I'd say "Not my problem"

Hey ! I'm offended ! You just trash-talked Misty and Skeptic, and left me out. Come on. Aren't I a good enough foe of you to be included in that ? How did I miss out on that compliment ? Hey now, you can't get into this select group without investing a couple of years in this circus. Clem-bat needs to have created *AT LEAST* 10 attack threads in your honor.

What utter hogwash. You express many, many opinions with which I disagree, but seem sincere, so I simply let them go.That's ****. You never let anything go.And why would I post any opinions that are insincere? This is what I actually think.......but I'm going to go ahead and post something else. That doesn't even make sense. And how the hell could you possibly know if I'm being 'insincere' anyway?What you call my 'insincere' opinions are those you disagree with.Stop lying, and I'll stop pointing it out.You've yet to prove that anything I've said was a lie.Yelling LIAR proves nothing.It is undeniably factually true that David Schippers, House Managers and staff collected evidence against Bill Clinton for weeks if not months, yet you've dissembled all day and for literally for years refusing to admit that undeniable fact is true.Is that David Schippers the 9/11 truther? Do you agree with him that G.W.Bush planned and carried out 9/11?What kind of person in full seriousness tries to smear someone as a rapist?You do. Every single day.That is you. That is your utter lack of character, your deceit.Are you looking in that mirror again? Edited by MistyBlue, 25 February 2012 - 02:40 PM.

What utter hogwash. You express many, many opinions with which I disagree, but seem sincere, so I simply let them go.And why would I post any opinions that are insincere? That's a question for your therapist.Although if you thought the whole thing through, this would be self evident. You sometimes express sincere opinions and sometimes you flat out lie, duh.It is undeniably factually true that David Schippers, House Managers and staff collected evidence against Bill Clinton for weeks if not months, yet you've dissembled all day and for literally for years refusing to admit that undeniable fact is true.You've yet to prove that anything I've said was a lie.Yelling LIAR proves nothing.....Is that David Schippers the 9/11 truther? Do you agree with him that G.W.Bush planned and carried out 9/11?Oh my, yet another evasion, followed by another dishonest smear, combined with another lie.Nice timing. Edited by RichClem, 25 February 2012 - 03:21 PM.

Jeebus H black christ. Honestly, the Rich/misty.clemmy/cummslut deal is really getting old. Both sides. Good grief get a frikkin room and get your freak on.Amen, I have been saying that [excrement] for a good month now.

Jeebus H black christ. Honestly, the Rich/misty.clemmy/cummslut deal is really getting old. Both sides. Good grief get a frikkin room and get your freak on.Easy enough to ignore, and if you want to debate on a specific topic, start a thread.There is very little actual debate about issues happening on the board, so good luck.

Believe it or not there are millions of people in this country who don't have a government issued ID.Coincidently most of the people who will be disenfranchised by these laws, are people who tend to vote for Democrats.Well actually it's not a coincidence at all. That's the idea.And the Disinformation Campaign goes on. Putting aside the massive voter fraud committed by Democrats in every election, the overwhelming majority of Americans want voter-ID laws to prevent voter fraud.And when passed, neither party could engage in it.The silly 20-million-Americans-don't-have-ID's claim is simply absurd and false. How do these people drive or cash a check or collect welfare or any of the things that 99% of Americans do?Not to mention, it it's barely any difficulty at all to get an ID if someone lacks one.Paul Weyrich, "father" of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority and various other groups once said, "I don't want everybody to vote.I don't want stupid, uninformed people to vote. Do you? Duuh.But Weyrich in no way wants to disenfranchise anyone. He's an honorable man.

And the Disinformation Campaign goes on. Putting aside the massive voter fraud committed by Democrats in every election, the overwhelming majority of Americans want voter-ID laws to prevent voter fraud.And when passed, neither party could engage in it.The silly 20-million-Americans-don't-have-ID's claim is simply absurd and false. How do these people drive or cash a check or collect welfare or any of the things that 99% of Americans do?Not to mention, it it's barely any difficulty at all to get an ID if someone lacks one.Your obsessive fixation on imagined fraud by Democrats allows your tender psyche to avoid the reality of massive efforts of Republicans to suppress voter participation. It's become their Standard Operating Procedure. I don't want stupid, uninformed people to vote. Do you? Duuh.So, don't vote, clem-bat! However, who are you to declare who is unfit to vote, you stupid, uninformed ***? But Weyrich in no way wants to disenfranchise anyone. He's an honorable man.As I suspect Misty has, I've heard Paul Weyrich give his spiel to do EXACTLY that! Thom Hartmann plays a clip of him doing so about once a week. Weyrich is simply a political operative who advises conservatives how to win elections. Voter suppression has ALWAYS been one of the favored techniques espoused by him, as well as MOST highly skilled conservative operatives - past and present.

Hey now, you can't get into this select group without investing a couple of years in this circus. Clem-bat needs to have created *AT LEAST* 10 attack threads in your honor. I know of one of those, but there are a few thousand slam posts, for a year, which were equivalent to him stomping on the end of a rake and the handle coming up and hitting him in the face.

I know of one of those, but there are a few thousand slam posts, for a year, which were equivalent to him stomping on the end of a rake and the handle coming up and hitting him in the face. His entertainment value really is high. Who'd watch the Road-Runner without that Wile E. "clem-bat" Cayote?