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I do sense a deep sense of barely controlled rage in her.In my experience, Leftists have very, very bad tempers. Simply express a different opinion, and they go bonkers.What do you expect from a bunch of socialists that live in a fantasyland and do nothing but figure out ways top get their hands into YOUR back pocket becaues we all know that liberals have T-Rex arms that can't reach their own back pockets. LOL

Are you two talking about me?

Are you two talking about me? You're peeking. We both know it.I do sense a deep sense of barely controlled rage in her.In my experience, Leftists have very, very bad tempers. Simply express a different opinion, and they go bonkers.What do you expect from a bunch of socialists that live in a fantasylandIf someone had told me when I was younger and less knowledgeable, how wildly disenfranchised from reality the liberal-left is, I'd never have believed it.Daily on the board, I still find it hard to believe. I read some of their opinions, their knee jerk rejection of common sense, facts and logic, and I'm literally stunned. and do nothing but figure out ways top get their hands into YOUR back pocket becaues we all know that liberals have T-Rex arms that can't reach their own back pockets. LOLLiberalism to a large degree was and very much now is how incompetent, lazy people can enrich themselves with Other People's Money.A political movement like that is intellectually bankrupt and will collapse, as it is in Greece, taking the entire country with it.In the US, it will destroy the Democrat Party, if not completely, by gutting it, by making it irrelevant for years to come. Edited by RichClem, 27 February 2012 - 04:35 PM.

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by RichClem . View it anyway? Are you feeling frustated Puss?

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by RichClem . View it anyway? Are you feeling frustated Puss?If the WSJ OP'ed does not say it's true, it's not...lol

If the WSJ OP'ed does not say it's true, it's not...lolIgnoring the fact that I disagree with them moderately frequently. What, you think it's monolithic, even among conservatives?And the fact that I generally agree with them for logical, factual, politically philosophical reasons.And because I've read them for decades and found them to be very reliable.But you're a knee jerk leftist, so reality never gets in your way. Just keep bleating those empty, false cliches.

Ignoring the fact that I disagree with them moderately frequently. What, you think it's monolithic, even among conservatives?And the fact that I generally agree with them for logical, factual, politically philosophical reasons.And because I've read them for decades and found them to be very reliable.But you're a knee jerk leftist, so reality never gets in your way. Just keep bleating those empty, false cliches.Moderately frequently???You're priceless Clem. You're also dead wrong about the separation of church and state too.

Ignoring the fact that I disagree with them moderately frequently.That's sounds just like the amount of times we have sex My Clemmy. Moderately frequently.

Ignoring the fact that I disagree with them moderately frequently. What, you think it's monolithic, even among conservatives?And the fact that I generally agree with them for logical, factual, politically philosophical reasons.And because I've read them for decades and found them to be very reliable.But you're a knee jerk leftist, so reality never gets in your way. Just keep bleating those empty, false cliches.Moderately frequently???You're priceless Clem. Gosh, more empty rhetoric. You never seem to run out.You're also dead wrong about the separation of church and state too.So quote that part of the Constitution that mandates a "wall between church and state" or anything close to it. Freaking hilarious that you people keep declaring your opinions over and over, yet never actually quote the Constitution itself.Why is that?Text Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereofDo you psychotic moonbats see words there that I don't?

Smiley faces. Moonbats. Phrases other men wrote. All done. Sincerely, rich clem.

So quote that part of the Constitution that mandates a "wall between church and state" or anything close to it. Do you psychotic moonbats see words there that I don't?Listen up Puss. Nobody ever said that those exact words - wall of separation between church and state - existed in the Constitution.But Thomas Jefferson said, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. And James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution (and not some Liberal Justice), once observed that "the [religious] devotion of the people has been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state."What part of that do you not understand?More direct references to separation of church and state by Madison:The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819). Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and & Gov't in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history (Detached Memoranda, circa 1820). Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822). I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to a usurpation on one side or the other or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them will be best guarded against by entire abstinence of the government from interference in any way whatever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order and protecting each sect against trespasses on its legal rights by others. (Letter Rev. Jasper Adams, Spring 1832). To the Baptist Churches on Neal's Greek on Black Creek, North Carolina I have received, fellow-citizens, your address, approving my objection to the Bill containing a grant of public land to the Baptist Church at Salem Meeting House, Mississippi Territory. Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself (Letter to Baptist Churches in North Carolina, June 3, 1811).http://candst.tripod...ge/qmadison.htm Edited by MistyBlue, 27 February 2012 - 08:17 PM.

Do you psychotic moonbats see words there that I don't?Its no wonder you're a conservative. You're so focused on specific words. It is what the 1st Amendment means you moron. You can take your literalism and go have a circle jerk with the Christian and Muslim Fundamentalists for all I care. We would still be living in the dark ages if people like you were in a position of authority.

RichClem, on 27 February 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:Do you psychotic moonbats see words there that I don't?Its no wonder you're a conservative. You're so focused on specific words. It is what the 1st Amendment means you moron. You can take your literalism and go have a circle jerk with the Christian and Muslim Fundamentalists for all I care. We would still be living in the dark ages if people like you were in a position of authority.He's just playing a little game of semantics because he got caught saying something totally ridiculous.He thinks we forgot that he didn't say that the words 'wall of separation' did not appear in the Constution. What he said was that the Founders 'never meant for their to be a wall of separation between church and state' and that was just something fabricated by some liberal justice.He thinks he can fool us into thinking he never said that. He can't.The Founders never meant for there to be a "Wall between Church and State." That's a fabrication by a liberal justice. Edited by MistyBlue, 27 February 2012 - 08:27 PM.

Gosh, more empty rhetoric. You never seem to run out.So quote that part of the Constitution that mandates a "wall between church and state" or anything close to it. Freaking hilarious that you people keep declaring your opinions over and over, yet never actually quote the Constitution itself.Why is that?Do you psychotic moonbats see words there that I don't?NO, but unstable people like you do.READ sometime Clem. The elephant in the room is evident each time you ignore what has been posted by severalmembers here of Jefferson's words...the INTENT.

If there WERE the phrase, "Wall of separation," the effeminate weasel would call us stupid for thinking it meant "IMPREGNABLE" wall of separation. He would demand: "Does it say IMPREGNABLE, you moonbats??!! "Once a man gives himself over to being a quibbler, his masculinity dies, and he adopts the very worst characteristics of women without any of their better charms. rich clem is essentially a feminine (or at leaqst, unmasculine), bitchy type of character: petty, quibbling, in it to win it, never giving a single inch, hypocritical in the extreme.

So Rick Santorum says, "President Obama said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob!"And the right wing flying monkeys he's talking to applaud and cheer.First of all, I don't know a parent who does not aspire to the idea that their child should get a good education.And second of all, that's not even what Obama said.In his first speech to a joint session of Congress in 2009, Obama said:And so tonight, I ask every American to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training. This can be community college or a four-year school; vocational training or an apprenticeship. But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma. And dropping out of high school is no longer an option. Its not just quitting on yourself, its quitting on your country and this country needs and values the talents of every American. He never said that everyone should go to a four year college. He only said that they should get some kind of training to prepare themselves for the job market.Rick Santorum is a big fat liar.

So Rick Santorum says, "President Obama said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob!"And the right wing flying monkeys he's talking to applaud and cheer.He never said that everyone should go to a four year college. He only said that they should get some kind of training to prepare themselves for the job market.Rick Santorum is a big fat liar. Well gosh, so cherry picking one single quote from Obama makes Santorum a liar? We will put a college education within reach of anyone who wants to go -- Barack Hussain Obamahttp://www.notable-q..._barack_vi.html.Sounds like Santorum's claim was acceptably accurate.Meanwhile, little Miss Marxist continues to bungle Constitutional issues...Well gosh, I'm just a right wing flying monkey, but I think we're governed by the Constitution, not by a letter Jefferson wrote to a religious group.And Jefferson wasn't even in the country when the Constitution was written.You moonbats are utterly hopeless.

Well gosh, so cherry picking one single quote from Obama makes Santorum a liar? We will put a college education within reach of anyone who wants to go -- Barack Hussain Obama 'Anyone who wants to go' is not the same as 'I want everyone to go to college' is it Puss?And BTW, the President's middle name is spelled 'Hussein' not 'Hussain'.Sounds like Santorum's claim was acceptably accurate.'Acceptably' accurate? ROFLThat's another one of your weasel words like how fetuses are 'arguable' babies or how you disagree with your right wing sources 'moderately' frequently. It may have been 'acceptably' accurate to you, but to the rest of us, it was a lie.Well gosh, I'm just a right wing flying monkey, but I think we're governed by the Constitution, not by a letter Jefferson wrote to a religious group.And Jefferson wasn't even in the country when the Constitution was written.What about James Madison Puss? You know the man they call the 'Father' of the Constitution.I see you ignored his quotes on the subject of separation of church and state that I posted a few posts back.Why did you do that?The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819). Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and & Gov't in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history (Detached Memoranda, circa 1820). Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822). I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to a usurpation on one side or the other or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them will be best guarded against by entire abstinence of the government from interference in any way whatever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order and protecting each sect against trespasses on its legal rights by others. (Letter Rev. Jasper Adams, Spring 1832). To the Baptist Churches on Neal's Greek on Black Creek, North Carolina I have received, fellow-citizens, your address, approving my objection to the Bill containing a grant of public land to the Baptist Church at Salem Meeting House, Mississippi Territory. Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself (Letter to Baptist Churches in North Carolina, June 3, 1811).Madison-On Church and StateDid you catch this sentence Puss?James Madison: "Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself."Do you need someone to explain that to you?For you to say that the Founders never meant for there to be a wall of separation between church and state is pure, unadulterated hogsnot.Clem: Well gosh, I'm just a right wing flying monkey....Nice of you to finally admit it. Edited by MistyBlue, 28 February 2012 - 01:21 PM.

Well gosh, so cherry picking one single quote from Obama makes Santorum a liar? We will put a college education within reach of anyone who wants to go -- Barack Hussain Obama 'Anyone who wants to go' is not the same as 'I want everyone to go to college' is it Puss?Close enough that Santorum's claim isn't a lie.Practically speaking, if college education is made free, as the Marxist-in-Chief intends, almost everyone will want to go.And BTW, the President's middle name is spelled 'Hussein' not 'Hussain'.Like Saddam? Shazzam!What about James Madison Puss? You know the man they call the 'Father' of the Constitution.I see you ignored his quotes on the subject of separation of church and state that I posted a few posts back.Why did you do that?Did you catch this sentence Puss?James Madison: "Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself."Do you need someone to explain that to you?For you to say that the Founders never meant for there to be a wall of separation between church and state is pure, unadulterated hogsnot.In fact, Madison greatly changed his opinions on the Constitution and the powers the federal government should or should not have, so no, citing only one of his statements absolutely isn't proof of anything, especially not over the Constitution itself.Where in the Constitution itself is there any "wall between church and state" or anything even resembling that? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereofAnd it was over 100 years before SCOTUS found any such "wall."Go ahead, cite Jefferson's letter again. That's pretty funny, given that you reject the Constitution itself. Edited by RichClem, 28 February 2012 - 01:28 PM.

Close enough that Santorum's claim isn't a lie.No, it's not.Santorum completely misrepresented Obama's words.Only a thoroughly eager and willing lemming, like you, would call it, "close enough."