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A mural depicting the history of the labor movement at the Department of Labor isn't balanced? Conference rooms at the Dep't of Labor named after historic labor figures are too pro labor? Not receptive to business? C'mon Governor LePage, do what you really want to do. Put up a mural depicting corporate logos, and name the conference rooms after people like the Koch Brothers and the Walton family.At least LePage has the guts to come out and say what industry has always felt : We hate you, workers. We wish to God we could do without you. We hate paying you. We'd wish you'd all die if it didn't mean there'd be nobody left to buy our Barbie Dolls and SUV's."

MistyBlue, on 25 March 2011 - 01:40 PM, said: A mural depicting the history of the labor movement at the Department of Labor isn't balanced? Conference rooms at the Dep't of Labor named after historic labor figures are too pro labor? Not receptive to business? public/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif C'mon Governor LePage, do what you really want to do. Put up a mural depicting corporate logos, and name the conference rooms after people like the Koch Brothers and the Walton family.At least LePage has the guts to come out and say what industry has always felt : We hate you, workers. We wish to God we could do without you. We hate paying you. We'd wish you'd all die if it didn't mean there'd be nobody left to buy our Barbie Dolls and SUV's."More dishonest Marxist pap from a lying troll.I love the way liberals deceitfully shift the terms from unions to "workers."Anyone who has a job "works."It's greedy, thuggish, spoiled unions that have made so many problems for the country.

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by RichClem . View it anyway? Here you go Puss. I dedicated a whole thread to you.I promise I will reply to you in that thread. I look forward to grinding your face into the dirt.http://liberalforum....ecutor-resigns/

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by RichClem . View it anyway? Here you go Puss. I dedicated a whole thread to you.I promise I will reply to you in that thread. I look forward to grinding your face into the dirt.Oh yeah, you're so rough and tough, you rarely respond to my posts and the facts I cite or respond to the questions I ask.Such as, why is Obama advocating abolishing Fannie Mae and reforming liberal lending policies, unless they did contribute greatly to the collapse, which you've dishonestly denied?Silly lying little marshmallow.

One of the board's most shameless liars is going to complain about O'Keefe's editing?You have to be one of the most willfully ignorant people I have ever come across.Acorn Pimp Video ‘Severely Edited’ California Attorney General Edmund G. Brown Jr. watched the unedited raw footage of James O’Keefe’s infamous “Acorn pimp” videos and found significant problems with O’Keefe’s editing. For one, “He never claimed he was a pimp”; instead, he said he was a law student who wanted to use the proceeds from prostitution to run for Congress. Also, he omitted entirely footage where Acorn employees caught on to his act: One Acorn worker in San Diego called the cops on O’Keefe and his accomplice; another pretended that she had killed her husband, even though he was alive and well (O’Keefe didn’t realize she was pulling his leg and included that footage in his edited videos). "The evidence illustrates," Brown said, "that things are not always as partisan zealots portray them through highly selective editing of reality. Sometimes a fuller truth is found on the cutting-room floor."O'Keefe's NPR video was also shown to be deceptively edited by none other than Glenn Beck's website, The Blaze.Does Raw Video of NPR Expose Reveal Questionable Editing & Tactics? Edited by MistyBlue, 25 March 2011 - 01:58 PM.

"The presidency is beneath Sarah Palin. There's more power in being Oprah Winfrey than in being Barack Obama. It would be my goal for Palin to become Oprah and be the ultimate kingmaker for twenty-odd years." -- Andrewe Breitbart He read the latest polls which have Palin as 28% approve, 70% disapprove

One of the board's most shameless liars is going to complain about O'Keefe's editing?You have to be one of the most willfully ignorant people I have ever come across.O'Keefe's NPR video was also shown to be deceptively edited by none other than Glenn Beck's website, The Blaze.I wasn't commenting on the fine points of the O'Keefe video, but on your absolute lack of integrity.I'm not going to debate nuance of O'Keefe's work with a shameless lying hack like you, but even one NPR exec refutes your Democrat Talking Point Lie that Fox isn't real news.the raw video shows a section where Schiller is hesitant to criticize the education of conservatives and the other executive, Betsy Liley, is outspoken in her defense of the intellects of Fox News viewers.

I wasn't commenting on the fine points of the O'Keefe video, but on your absolute lack of integrity.I'm not going to debate nuance of O'Keefe's work with a shameless lying hack like you, but even one NPR exec refutes your Democrat Talking Point Lie that Fox isn't real news.How in the sam fu** is that in any way an NPR exec "refuting" the illegitimacy of Fox? You're a genuine retard.

Just read this OP:I just read the Glenn Beck entry on wikipedia and it is loaded with right wing bias. Check it out and voice your concerns on the talk page. It is clearly dominated by Glenn Beck viewers and possibly people who work for him: wiki talkWiki PageTo which RushLimbaughfan replied:What in the hell is with all these radical Leftist that have been joining the forum by the numbers in the past few months? People like you disgust me. You are a traitor to the Country, and I hope you suffer a traitors death at the end of the rope,And when I voiced my displeasure at his post, Nefarious101 replied:No harm done if it's trueI'm sorry RLF, you had it coming. I hereby designate you a Right Wing Flying Monkey. I already knew Neffy was one. That was obvious. Edited by MistyBlue, 25 March 2011 - 05:02 PM.

More dishonest Marxist pap from a lying troll.I love the way liberals deceitfully shift the terms from unions to "workers."Anyone who has a job "works."It's greedy, thuggish, spoiled unions that have made so many problems for the country.No it's not. It's workers, period. To people like you, they're the enemy. Don't argue with me, I'm right and I know I am -- just like you.

I'm not going to debate nuance of O'Keefe's work with a shameless lying hack like you....Translation, I approve of O'Keefe deceitfully editing his videos to make it appear that people are saying things that they are not. After all, the ends justify the means.

I'm not going to debate nuance of O'Keefe's work with a shameless lying hack like you....Translation, I approve of O'Keefe deceitfully editing his videos to make it appear that people are saying things that they are not. After all, the ends justify the means.Hardly.Translation; you're a lying partisan hack who won't admit her hand in front of her face if it hurts the Democrat Party.Let's try an integrity test for you. Why is the Obama administration calling for the abolition of Fannie and Freddy and vast reform of liberal lending policies?1000,000,000,000,000: 1 that you punt.

Hardly.Translation; you're a lying partisan hack who won't admit her hand in front of her face if it hurts the Democrat Party.Let's try an integrity test for you. Why is the Obama administration calling for the abolition of Fannie and Freddy and vast reform of liberal lending policies?1000,000,000,000,000: 1 that you punt.Holy f--k, basement boy, just how long is it going to take you to realize that you are a f--king deranged idiot. The stupidity just seems to go on forever, have you no f--king shame? You've made yourself the laughing stock of the forum, and it only seems to cause you to strive for a higher level of stupidity, while you are actually banging your head against the roof now. I'm starting to wonder if your posts are some kind of self-depreciating comedy, if so it's more boring than anything else.

Lawless Wisconsin GOPers Defy Court Order Against Anti-Union LawLast week, a Wisconsin judge issued an order restrain[ing] and enjoin[ing] the further implementation of Gov. Scott Walkers [R] anti-worker law until she has time to fully consider a lawsuit claiming that the law was not validly enacted. Yet, despite this clear and unambiguous order, Walker and his allies have decided that they are not bound by the law:In a stunning twist, Gov. Scott Walkers legislation limiting collective bargaining for public workers was published Friday despite a judges hold on the measure, prompting a dispute over whether it takes effect Saturday. [...]Its published, [Senate Majority Leader Scott] Fitzgerald said. Its law. Thats what I contend. [...]Walkers top cabinet official, Administration Secretary Mike Huebsch, gave only a brief statement reacting to Fridays news.Today the administration was notified that the LRB published the budget-repair bill as required by law, he said. The administration will carry out the law as required.Under Wisconsin law, someone who intentionally defies a court order is in contempt of court, and can be fined up to $2,000 for each day that they disobey the court or imprisoned for up to six months.Not the first time Walker has defied a court order. Apparently he thinks he is above the law.Walker Defies Court Order, Locks Out PublicHoly f--k, basement boy, just how long is it going to take you to realize that you are a f--king deranged idiot. The stupidity just seems to go on forever, have you no f--king shame? You've made yourself the laughing stock of the forum, and it only seems to cause you to strive for a higher level of stupidity, while you are actually banging your head against the roof now. I'm starting to wonder if your posts are some kind of self-depreciating comedy, if so it's more boring than anything else.He's a piece of work isn't he? The only arrow he has in his quiver is to call me a 'shameless liar' but he's yet to prove that one thing I've said is a lie.Of course he doesn't seem to be able to differentiate opinions from statements of fact, so I guess it's confusing for him, poor thing.

Not the first time Walker has defied a court order. Apparently he thinks he is above the law.Walker Defies Court Order, Locks Out PublicOh my gosh, who does he think he is, Obama?Say, has Walker defied an effective injunction, like Obama has? The federal judge who declared Obama-care said that he expects Obama to stop enforcing Government Monopoly Health Care, because doing so would be illegal.Not that you'll complain about that.He's a piece of work isn't he? The only arrow he has in his quiver is to call me a 'shameless liar' but he's yet to prove that one thing I've said is a lie.The only arrow? Other than the countless sources I cite, my logic, my stastics, which you never read, lest you learn something that exposes your lies.Speaking of which, how's that roaring Obama Economy going? With its 11.5% real unemployment rate?Of course he doesn't seem to be able to differentiate opinions from statements of fact, so I guess it's confusing for him, poor thing.Get a bigger fig leaf, troll.The Republicans have such a dark pessimistic view of America. It's obvious that they hate this country.Gosh, who would ever think that's a Democrat Talking Point Lie, right?

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by RichClem . View it anyway? I know.....shameless lying hack......Democrat Talking Points.....blah....blah....blah.

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by RichClem . View it anyway? I know.....shameless lying hack......Democrat Talking Points.....blah....blah....blah.Stop lying, and I'll stop pointing it out, moonbat.What, you think there's going to be a free ride?

The Educational-Industrial Complex, Idaho-StyleMeet Tom Luna, Idaho's Republican Superintendent of of Public Education, architect of the gutting of Idaho public schools, massive teacher layoffs, and union-buster. Tom Luna is an interesting character. He's a good, solid Republican, 2-year veteran of the Bush Administration's Department of Education, and doesn't really have any educational qualifications for the office he now holds. No, seriously. He doesn't. Here's his resume in a nutshell:Education:Classes at Boise State and Ricks College, Bachelor of Art (2002) in Weights and Measures from Thomas Edison State College, a non-accredited on-line degree factory supposedly based in New Jersey.Also, he owns a scale company whose largest account is an Idaho corporation owned by Frank Vandersloot -- Melaleuca. Remember that name. I'll be talking about him later.Tom Luna's Amazing Fundraising AbilitiesNow, Tom Luna had one of the best-financed 2010 re-election campaigns I've seen for an office that oversees about 280,000 students. (For perspective, California employs more teachers than Idaho's total number of students.) But to get Tom Luna elected in a Republican state in 2010 when the Tea Party was full of hubris and madness, donors gave $212,000 to his campaign, of which $132,000 was spent as of November 18, 2010. This is not counting PACs, or independent expenditures. That's direct campaign donations. With the exception of the Governor and Lieutenant Governor, no other candidate for state office came anywhere near the campaign donations that Luna received.Those donors didn't give because they were feeling generous and loved Tom Luna. They loved Tom Luna's plans for the state's public education system, though. If Luna’s “Students Come First” proposal passes the Legislature, online education will be mandated in Idaho and a laptop will be available to every high school student. That means 115 school districts, with 82,000 high school students, will be in the market for computers, software and online courses.Well, lookee there. And look at who Tom Luna's top 2010 donors were:•K12 Inc. of Virginia, an online company with 81,000 students and operator of the Idaho Virtual Academy. In Idaho, IVA enrolls 2,930 students and received $12.8 million from the state in fiscal 2010. K12, its employees and major stockholders spent about $44,000 supporting Luna; $25,000 of that was funneled to an Idaho interest group for independent advertising on Luna’s behalf. I should also mention that K12, Inc was started by Bill Bennett, Education Secretary under Ronald Reagan. Yes, *that* Bill Bennett.•- Apollo Group of Phoenix, the parent company of the University of Phoenix, an online university with more than 400,000 students. Luna’s plan would allow high school students to earn college credits at state expense once they complete high school requirements. Apollo Group gave Luna $5,500.•- Executives of Scantron Corp., a Minnesota-based leader in testing technology that is aggressively expanding into online education. Scantron employees and family contributed $7,450.Other corporate education contributors: Apangea Learning, Inc. (online math courses) $1,000; Education Networks of America (educational video/network technology) $5,500; Madison Education Group (education consulting and advocacy) $5,000, and yes, Frank Vandersloot, who not only picked up the tab for thousands in independent expenditures, but also donated $10,000 to Luna's campaign. But don't take my word for it. Here's a whole huge list with all the tentacles listed.For-profit educators, GOP privatization organizations, marry at the IBCEEFrank Vandersloot is a wealthy affiliate marketer in Idaho who is also connected with the Education Alliance of Idaho, an affiliate of the Idaho Business Coalition for Education Excellence (IBCEE), a non-profit organization (which hasn't filed any Federal disclosure forms that I can find) comprised of CEOs and company presidents. The Education Alliance membership is comprised of the following:Members include J.A. and Kathryn Albertson Foundation and representatives from the Idaho Education Association, Idaho Association of School Administrators, Idaho School Boards Association, Idaho Parent Teacher Association, Idaho Digital Learning Academy, State Board of Education, State Department of Education and the State Division of Professional- Technical Education.According to the "fact sheet (PDF)" they publish it has a mission:The Education Alliance of Idaho is a coalition of key stakeholders in the Idaho education system. The core purpose of the Education Alliance is one of advocacy and advice. The Education Alliance does not have authority in statute, nor does it control policymakers. Instead, the organization’s influence on the future of the education system in Idaho comes from that of its members.Indeed. In 2005 (the only annual report (PDF) I could find), the JA and Kathryn Albertson Foundation funded 20 charter schools, including the Idaho Distance Education Academy, the Idaho Virtual Academy and INSPIRE Charter school, all online schools. The foundation has also given a large grant (in connection with the Micron Foundation, another Luna donor) to the Boise school District for the first "brick-and-mortar web enabled elementary schools using K12 Inc. curriculum."But it's not only the Albertson grocery family. Others participate in the "influence on the future of the education system in Idaho." Others, like Bill Hansen, co-founder of Big Luna Donor Madison Education Group and now President and CEO of Scantron have some influence, too. Hansen was an adviser to the 2008 Romney campaign, too. And Michael Milken, who owns 24% of K12, Inc. I've given you all of this detail on Idaho because it's a small enough state that the money flow really stands out like a sore thumb. Despite Luna's insistence that he's not beholden to those who bought his re-election, his "reform proposals" say otherwise. But it's not just Idaho. It's Michigan. It's Pennsylvania. It's Arizona. Florida. Ohio. Indiana. The names are different but the model's the same. In Michigan, it's the DeVos family who funds charter schools and "influences policy". The corporate education firms have different names but the goal is the same: To break unions, get rid of as many teachers as possible, and force students into online learning courses which teach to a test but don't necessarily educate students. This particular model assumes students are commodities with identical learning styles and abilities. Profit centers, amortized over 12 years.Cronyism Strikes DeepIdaho's high school students understand what's at stake. It's why they walked out in support of their teachers earlier this month. And some of Idaho's citizens get it too. In fact, one retired secretary is beginning a recall effort against Luna. Her reasons echo the same reasons Wisconsin and Michigan citizens have for undertaking their own recall efforts.Read more at the link in the title.That's the Republican agenda in a nutshell. They want to destroy public education and privatize it.Of course I'm sure that foremost in their minds will be the quality of the education that our children will receive, and corporate profits will take a backseat to that. Edited by MistyBlue, 26 March 2011 - 04:03 PM.

That's the Republican agenda in a nutshell. They want to destroy public education and privatize it.Of course I'm sure that foremost in their minds will be the quality of the education that our children will receive, and corporate profits will take a backseat to that. Government Monopoly Schools have been in a crisis since Jimmy Carter was president, yet who does little Miss Marxist attack?Those who want to bring, gasp, private sector competition.Yes, profit is evil.At least to a Marxist.

Government Monopoly Schools have been in a crisis since Jimmy Carter was president, yet who does little Miss Marxist attack?Those who want to bring, gasp, private sector competition.Yes, profit is evil.At least to a Marxist.You are an idiot. Private sector schools do not even outperform public sector schools, according to the results of many independent studies.http://www.fair.org/...x.php?page=2894I'd also like to see you convince the families making the median national household income (around $49,000) of all the "grand perks" of a private education. Edit: How peculiar that you never mention the "Microsoft Windows monopoly" even though it captures a greater share of PC users ( > 90% ) than the percentage of families who send their children into so-called "government monopoly schools." (between 80 and 90%). Edited by Avenger_of_Justice, 26 March 2011 - 05:01 PM.