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RichClem, on 20 September 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:That's why she has me on Ignore; so she can dodge questions and realityNo Puss.....I long ago declared that you were dead to me because you have proven over and over again that you don't possess a shred of compassion, humanity or just plain human decency, and I choose not to interact with people of such low moral character.I guess you forgot.

Wow, a Republican somewhere in the country made a bad joke?Shocking, yawn.Meanwhile The Chosen One and Democrats are running a $1.6 trillion deficit and refusing to cut spending.That imperils the entire country, but little Miss Marxist is worried about a joke.Stupid clueless moonbat.A JOKE? I rather doubt that sick old fart thought it was about chuckles.Were we to cull the herd of folks who are "defective" ....you,ya moondog,would be on the first bus to the artic.

RichClem, on 11 March 2011 - 04:48 PM, said:Wow, a Republican somewhere in the country made a bad joke?A JOKE? I rather doubt that sick old fart thought it was about chuckles.Were we to cull the herd of folks who are "defective" ....you,ya moondog,would be on the first bus to the artic.ROFLClem has a warped sense of humor. He even thinks it's funny to wish that people would be raped.

No Puss.....I long ago declared that you were dead to me because you have proven over and over again that you don't possess a shred of compassion, humanity or just plain human decency, and I choose not to interact with people of such low moral character.That's really hilarious coming from someone who told years of lies in blind defense of a rapist/ serial felon/ sociopathic liar/ impeached disgrace.There was no credible evidence whatsoever that Bill Clinton raped anybodySo quietly crying, shaking Juanita Broaddrick, her witnesses and their sworn statements aren't credible?What kind of "low character" does it take to blindly defend Clinton and his many crimes?I guess you forgot.Naaah, I try hard not to forget a good moonbat joke.Clem has a warped sense of humor. He even thinks it's funny to wish that people would be raped.Wow, still pushing that dishonest smear? When is the last time a woman has been raped by a pack of wild dogs?I picked up ONCE on a joke someone else told, what, 3, 4 years ago?And you're so desperate to keep pushing it; you, defender or real life, actual rapist, Bill Clinton.What a complete sleazebag you are, geez. Edited by RichClem, 20 September 2012 - 12:27 PM.

That's really hilarious coming from someone who told years of lies in blind defense of a rapist/ serial felon/ sociopathic liar/ impeached disgrace.So quietly crying, shaking Juanita Broaddrick, her witnesses and their sworn statements aren't credible?What kind of "low character" does it take to blindly defend Clinton and his many crimes?Naaah, I try hard not to forget a good moonbat joke.There is a big difference between finding someone right after a rape and being told about it "sometime later." It is akin to Norma Rogers finding a supposed shooting victim, and the other people hearing about it after she got out of the hospital.Why would she need to conspire decades ago? If the friends were trying to smear Clinton, they wouldn't need to be told decades before the attacks happen because they would be conspiring with Broaddrick. This is blindingly obvious, so I can't imagine why it didn't occur to you. BTW, you apparently do not know what a troll is, other than anyone that disagrees with you. troll: someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community. If anything, you are the one that is posting comments that are intentionally inflammatory in nature. Legal innocence isn't an excuse: it's the law. Clinton has not been found guilty of rape, and therefore has not been proven to be a rapist. You can call him whatever you want, but that is nothing more than an opinion (and libel) until proven in a court of law. And because of the circumstances that surround the case (closest witnesses are incredibly biased, no physical evidence, legal statement from the victim, etc.), no court would convict Clinton of raping Broaddrick. There simply isn't enough evidence to justify it. Again, you seem to believe that your personal opinions are more important than the laws of this country. It doesn't work that way. You can't just call people racists or try to destroy their image and reputation because you feel they have committed a crime, you have to prove it in court.Hey moonbat, all I have done is express my opinion, not demand that he be jailed. Try to control your psychotic delusions, geez.After all these years of clem-troll claiming that Clinton was - FACTUALLY - a 'rapist,' he admits it's all just his OPINION.HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!What a thorough wack-job you are, clem-bat!

Bleats the loser troll skeptic claims whipped me.Hilarious how liars are loyal to each other.Say, how is that roaring Obama Economy going?That's why she has me on Ignore; so she can dodge questions and reality.I have not been here for months but I can see you still have yet to FIND " Reality"Today your cronies in the TCP ( Teabag Clown Party) blocked a Jobs Bll for VETERANS....who you guys call heroes,if dead and bums if out of work.Like the monarchists of 500 yr ago, you only CARE about the elite few and some Theocracy, so YOUR tiny slice of " The Economy"...the chosen few, the Millionaires...are douing WELL. You ought to be thrilled. We serfs ain't as scared as we were under Bush when the economy was sinking like a torpedoed ship. We ain't full speed yet, but we ARE afloat. Big difference.Smart folks tend to agree on things like facts and reality...even (gasp) science. Moonpuppies and Clam-brained fools need Rush Limbaiugh to tell them what is real,because they can't look out the damn window and figure it out.Putting the Rich Clam on ignore? Hey...anyone with a friggen radio can hear Rush Limbaugh direct without an even daffier translation. Were I here for the wisdom I can sift out...I'd put Clam Child on Ignore. However...this is amusing to mess with the rodent people,see if they have any learning curve. Poor Richie Clam...the slowest rat in the maze. I do look forward to the day when you somehow,get something right.Well Clam Soup, you are not worse than your half brother JT Zilla who seems to still think Nazi was a good idea (even if he thinks Germany is near Minnesota). I find it interesting to observe the way sociopaths express, but it seems we'd have a bit more useful input here if a SANE Republican happened to show up.

I have not been here for months but I can see you still have yet to FIND " Reality"Today your cronies in the TCP ( Teabag Clown Party) blocked a Jobs Bll for VETERANS....who you guys call heroes,if dead and bums if out of work.Like the monarchists of 500 yr ago, you only CARE about the elite few and some Theocracy, so YOUR tiny slice of " The Economy"...the chosen few, the Millionaires...are douing WELL. You ought to be thrilled. We serfs ain't as scared as we were under Bush when the economy was sinking like a torpedoed ship. We ain't full speed yet, but we ARE afloat. Big difference.Smart folks tend to agree on things like facts and reality...even (gasp) science. Moonpuppies and Clam-brained fools need Rush Limbaiugh to tell them what is real,because they can't look out the damn window and figure it out.I don't debate raving psychotics, true.

I don't debate raving psychotics, true.I don't doubt you never debate yourself, you raving psychotic.

That's great! I'm keeping the link.

I don't doubt you never debate yourself, you raving psychotic.Clem posts on forum naked.Is this the best the liberal-left can do? Lying con artists, clueless moonbats and silly graphics?Where are all the brilliant, informed,ejucated liberal geniuses?Pathetic.

Is this the best the liberal-left can do? Lying con artists, clueless moonbats and silly graphics?Where are all the brilliant, informed,ejucated liberal geniuses?Pathetic.As opposed to what - your jokes?Oh yeah! You ARE the joke.That's what you've made of yourself with all your silly "moonbat", "troll", "liar", "bill clinton." "rapist," "since when..." ad infinitum.We're just accommodating you in you in your incessant effort to turn yourself into the sad, silly joke you insist on being.You should thank us.

How To Steal A Presidential Electionby Elizabeth DrewThe Republicans plan is that if they cant buy the 2012 election they will steal it. The plan, long in the making and now well into its execution, is to raise great gobs of moneyin newly limitless amountsso that they and their allies could outspend the presidents forces; and they would also place obstacles in the way of large swaths of citizens who traditionally support the Democrats and want to exercise their right to vote. The plan would disproportionately affect blacks, who were guaranteed the right to vote in 1870 by the Fifteenth Amendment; but then that right was negated by southern state legislatures; and after people marched, were beaten, and died in the civil rights movement, Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Now various state legislatures are coming up with new ways to try once again to nullify that right. In a close election, the Republican plan could call into question the legitimacy of the next president. An election conducted on this basis could lead to turbulence on election day and possibly an extended period of lawsuits contesting the outcome in various states. Bush v. Gore would seem to have been a pleasant summer afternoon. The fact that their partys nominee is currently stumbling about, his candidacy widely deemed to be in crisis mode, hasnt lessened their determination to prevent as many Democratic supporters as they can from voting in November. This national effort to tilt the 2012 election is being carried out on the pretext that the countrys voting system is under threat from widespread voter fraud. the fact that no significant fraud has been found doesnt deter the people pursuing this plan. Myths are convenient in politics. Want to fix an election? No problem. Just make up a story that the other side is trying to rig the electionand meanwhile try to rig the election. (Jon Stewart recently concluded a searing segment about the imagined voter fraud by saying: Next, leashes for leprechauns.) The Republicans have been making particularly strenuous efforts to tilt the outcomesin most of the swing states: Florida, Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Wisconsin. The Republican leader of the House in Pennsylvania, previously considered a swing state, was careless enough to admit publicly that the states strict new Voter ID law would assure a Romney victory in November. In fact a state document submitted in court offered no evidence of voter fraud. On September 18, Pennsylvanias supreme court sharply rebuked a lower courts approval of the law, questioning whether the law could be fairly applied by the time of the election. This battle continues despite the fact that the Romney campaign in mid-September suspended its efforts in Pennsylvania because polls show that Obama was substantially ahead. Even if the states electoral votes are not in question the outcome could still decide whether a great many people will be allowed to vote in November, and could also affect the popular vote. Eight states have already passed Voter ID lawsrequiring a state-approved document with a photograph in order to register or vote, a form of identification that an estimated 11 percent or over 21 million of American citizens do not possess. But these laws are just part of an array of restrictions adopted to keep Democrats from voting. Some use other means to make registration difficult, or put strict limits on the number of days before the election that votes can be cast , or cut back the hours that polling places can stay open. In the aftermath of the 2004 election, which was characterized in Ohio by lines at voting places in black districts so long as to discourage voters, Ohio Democratic officials made voting times more flexible; after the Republicans took over the state they set out to reverse that. Iowa, Florida, and Colorado tried to purge the voting rolls of suspected unqualified voters, but their lists turned out to be wildly inaccurate. Florida officials compiled a list of 180,000 people whose qualifications were questioned, but after voting registrars checked (some protesting the unfairness of the purge) only 207, or .0002 percent of the states registered voters, were found to be unqualified to vote. Nearly sixty percent of the 180,000 names had Hispanic surnames, another 14 percent were blacks. Officials said that whites or republicans were unlikely to be on the list. While a combination of outraged citizens and legal challenges led all three states to ostensibly give up on the idea of purging voters, Florida and Iowa officials have said that they intend to pursue those who havent been proven innocent. As a result, hundreds of thousands of citizens dont know if theyll be allowed to votewhich, like a number of the restrictions, could be a disincentive to even subjecting oneself to what could be a hassle or humiliation at the polling place. Florida also enacted a voter ID law, which was struck down by a federal court. Ever on the lookout for ways to keep Democratic supporters from the polling places, the state cut short the number of days for early voting, and established rules that in effect barred outside groups such as the League of Women Voters from conducting registration drives. Though this restriction was later overturned by a federal court, voter registration groups said that important time had been lost while they contested the new restrictions on their activities. In Ohiothe swingyest of the swing states, now in Republican controlsecretary of state Jon Husted is trying to block voting on any weekend before the election; and he has appealed the ruling of a federal district judge ordering him to allow voting even during the last weekend before the election. Husted also made the extraordinary proposal that voting hours in Ohio be extended solely in white districts, but this preposterous idea couldnt withstand a citizen outcry. Two Democratic county election officials from the Dayton area (one the few predominantly Democratic counties in the state) who objected to Husteds proposal to permit no weekend voting were fired. Where did all this come from? Florida 2000 was the poisoned apple of our electoral system. Republicans saw that by manipulating the rules they could when it comes down to itsteal an election. Ample evidence exists that a majority of Floridians intended to, did, or thought they did, vote for Al Gore. Following the success of the George W. Bush team in winning Florida and thus the election came Karl Roves zealous use of alleged voter fraud as an instrument for expanding the power of the party and the Bush White House. At the behest of the Bush White House in 2007, the Justice Department fired seven US Attorneys on the ground that they hadnt pursued voter fraud, which the attorneys said they could find no evidence of. (Rove had other motives.) The next step would be gaining control of as many state governments as possible: The Republicans took over twelve in 2010, to reach a total of twenty-two. Through them, the Republicans launched a national drive to intimidate and hinder the Democratic partys constituencies from votingin the name of protecting the political system against a cooked-up threat. Conveniently, the five conservative Justices of the Supreme Court, in an unusual bout of the activism they usually deplore, overturned in Citizens United over more than a century of law protecting the political process from uncontrolled contributions by corporate interests as well as labor (which cant compete on raising such funds). Corporations that would prefer more relaxed regulatory policies and lower corporate taxes have combined with the Republicans and others who want to get rid of Obama in making huge contributions to the new Super PACs. And Sheldon Adelson, under legal challenge for his management of his casinos in Macao, and willing to shell out $100 million to get a friendlier Justice Department, became one of the most powerful people in America. Candidates, including the newly chosen Republican vice presidential contender, paid court to Adelson in his Las Vegas headquarters. The highly conservative American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), financed by the Koch brothers and big corporations drew up a model law to guide Republican-controlled states in designing ways to keep Democratic supporters from voting. Other conservative groupssome originating in the Tea Party, which is also supported by the Koch brothershave also sprung up to join the fight to restrict voting by allies of the Democrats. The group True the Vote, for example, is operating on a theory of pure fantasy: its literature imagines busloads of unqualified You-Name-The-Democratic-Group being dropped off at registration places. True the Vote officers say that they will go to polling places to make sure that unqualified people are not permitted to vote. The country may now be entering into a period marked by confusion or even chaos in our election system. Hundreds of thousands of people are about to start to go to the polls before their states have settled their voting requirements, or without knowing what they are. Though the rules have yet to be decided in either state, voting has already begun in North Carolina, and is scheduled to begin in Ohio on October 2. Either candidate needs to win by decisive margins in both the popular and electoral college vote to avoid a legal mess. The challengers to a democratic system think long-term, something which the Republicans are better at than the Democrats. Some of these laws cannot be finally enacted or survive court challenges in time for the 2012 election, but voting rights advocates are even more alarmed about 2016. According to census data, whites will become a minority in the coming year, a shift that is likely to spur even more attempts to restrict voting participation by blacks and Hispanics. Many also fear that the Roberts court will strike down a special provision in the 1965 Voting Rights Act Section 5 which requires nine states, all in the South, and parts of an additional seven states, to submit any proposed changes in their voting laws to Justice Department for prior clearance. States covered by Section 5 have long complained that they are being discriminated against and the Supreme Court is expected to take up challenges to the provisions constitutionality in its next term. Having covered Watergate and the impeachment of Richard Nixon, and more recently written a biography of Nixon, I believe that the wrongdoing we are seeing in this election is more menacing even than what went on then. Watergate was a struggle over the Constitutional powers and accountability of a president, and, alarmingly, the president and his aides attempted to interfere with the nominating process of the opposition party. But the current voting rights issue is even more serious: its a coordinated attempt by a political party to fix the result of a presidential election by restricting the opportunities of members of the opposition partys constituencymost notably blacksto exercise a Constitutional right. This is the worst thing that has happened to our democratic election system since the late nineteenth century, when legislatures in southern states systematically negated the voting rights blacks had won in the Fifteenth Amendment to the Constitution. Edited by MistyBlue, 22 September 2012 - 04:04 PM.

Good to see you MistyBlue. Do YOU have any idea HOW many times I've been called a clown because of my avatar?

Good to see you MistyBlue.Good to see you too.Do YOU have any idea HOW many times I've been called a clown because of my avatar? It's definitely unique. LOLIf you're ready for a new one, you can shoot me some ideas, and I'll make one, but I like the clown.

How To Steal A Presidential Electionby Elizabeth DrewThe Republicans' plan is that if they can't buy the 2012 election they will steal it.Translated into honest English, Repubs are trying to prevent the customary, widespread Democrat voter fraud. The plan, long in the making and now well into its execution, is to raise great gobs of money—in newly limitless amounts—so that they and their allies could outspend the president's forceTranslated into honest English, thanks to Citizens United that stopped a blatant violation of our Constitutional right to free speech, Repubs will be a lot closer to Democrats in their ability to buy advertising.Funny how liberals never worried about money corrupting elections when Democrats routinely outspent Repubs by 2 or 3 to 1. Now that it's close to a level playing field, listen to them whine.This national effort to tilt the 2012 election is being carried out on the pretext that the country's voting system is under threat from widespread "voter fraud." the fact that no significant fraud has been found doesn't deter the people pursuing this plan. Myths are convenient in politics. Want to fix an election? No problem. Just make up a story that the other side is trying to rig the election—and meanwhile try to rig the election. (Jon Stewart recently concluded a searing segment about the imagined voter fraud by saying: "Next, leashes for leprechauns.")Even partisan Democrat Chris Mathews admitted a few months ago that Democrat voter fraud is very common in Phillie, and that he assumes by extension in all medium to large cities across the country.Is he part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy? Eight states have already passed Voter ID laws—requiring a state-approved document with a photograph in order to register or vote, a form of identification that an estimated 11 percent or over 21 million of American citizens do not possess.That number is utter bulls***, proven by the fact that Dems taking this issue to court couldn't find any significant number of people who lacked ID's. If there truly are millions and millions, why not?Florida 2000 was the poisoned apple of our electoral system. Republicans saw that by manipulating the rules they could –when it comes down to it—steal an election.More partisan bulls***. It was Algor with malice aforethought who planned weeks before to steal this election, by choosing Democrat strongholds, planning "spontaneous" demonstrations of Dem activists, then hoping local officials would find or steal enough votes for him to steal the state.Having covered Watergate and the impeachment of Richard Nixon, and more recently written a biography of Nixon, I believe that the wrongdoing we are seeing in this election is more menacing even than what went on then. Watergate was a struggle over the Constitutional powers and accountability of a president, and, alarmingly, the president and his aides attempted to interfere with the nominating process of the opposition party.Really hilarious, coming from someone who has lied for years in defense of a serial felon/ impeached disgrace/ sociopathic liar/ rapist. Edited by RichClem, 22 September 2012 - 05:46 PM.

the usual bulls***Read it and weep.Don't mess with the Head Ball Breaker if you'd like to keep your testicles intact.No truth in advertising in those empty words.

Thurston Howell RomneyWhere's the, snicker, "head ball breaker?"Why does a toughie like her dodge questions endlessly?Hey, how's that roaring Obama Economy going with its 13% and rising real unemployment rate?At a cost of $6 trillion?You bleated loudly about far smaller deficits under Bush. Why are you silent now?

Good to see you too.It's definitely unique. LOLIf you're ready for a new one, you can shoot me some ideas, and I'll make one, but I like the clown. No way. The clown stays. It gives people something to focus on while I E-pound their weak arguments like wack-a-mole. "I don't care if you schooled me hard you're just a clown!"