Liberal Forum

Why is Ted Nugent even relevant?Beats me.Why is Eva Longoria even relevant?Friggin liberals, every time you try to make a point you just open yourselves up to exactly the same as which you attempt to put forth.See, if you weren't hypocrites, this crap wouldn't work so well for me.

Why is Eva Longoria even relevant?Maybe because she's actually worked in the last 25 years?

How The Tragic Death Of A Woman Denied An Abortion In Ireland Could Become The Norm In AmericaSavita Halappanavar, a 31-year-old Indian woman living in Ireland, went to the hospital when she first began to miscarry but thanks to Irelands stringent abortion ban, medical professionals denied her repeated requests to quickly terminate the pregnancy because they could still detect a fetal heartbeat. The Irish hospital required her to extend her miscarriage over three days until the fetus heartbeat officially stopped, and by that time, Halappanavar had developed serious blood poisoning. She passed away just a few days later. Halappanavars death helps highlight the tragic effect of Irelands stringent abortion ban, but the impact of that type of restrictive legislation isnt just limited to that country. In fact, lawmakers in Ohio are quietly pushing extreme anti-abortion legislation that would subject the women in that state to a situation incredibly similar to the one in Ireland.During this years lame duck session, Ohio legislators are planning to revive HB 125, a so-called heartbeat bill that would ban abortions as soon as a fetal heartbeat can be detected which can first occur as early as five or six weeks, before many women may even know theyre pregnant. The proposed legislation represents the most restrictive abortion ban in the United States. If HB 125 is passed, it would criminalize all abortions after the emergence of a fetal heartbeat without allowing even the narrowest exceptions in potential cases of rape, incest, or the mental health of the woman. Even if Ohios bill includes some kind of provision that would allow women to seek abortions in life-threatening situations, Halappanavars death points to the fact that health risks arent always immediately apparent. A 1992 Supreme Court ruling in Ireland amended the countrys abortion ban to include an exception in cases where the womans life is in danger, but Irish hospitals dont always know how far that medical exception can stretch. They are often reluctant to provide women with abortion services unless the situation is very clearly life-threatening and for women like Halappanavar, that can already be too late. And in cases where the fetus is not expected to survive when women like Halappanavar are undergoing a miscarriage, or when doctors discover fatal fetal defects anti-abortion legislation is often murky, even in this country. In Arizona, where a stringent abortion ban outlaws the procedure after just 20 weeks, women who discover fatal defects that will not allow their fetus to survive are forced to carry the fetus to term anyway.

yeah...well with a name like Savita Halappanavar, i can't really see why anyone would care.

Wisconsin Lawmakers Seek To Arrest Officials Who Implement ObamacareEven though House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has acknowledged that Obamacare is the law of the land, nine state lawmakers in Wisconsin are hoping to ensure that President Obamas health reform law wont ever be implemented in their state. The group of Tea Party-affiliated Republicans is backing a bill that would arrest any federal officials who attempt to implement Obamacare in Wisconsin. The state officials responded to a survey from the right-wing advocacy group Campaign for Liberty to confirm they would support legislation to nullify ObamaCare and authorize state and local law enforcement to arrest federal officials attempting to implement the unconstitutional health care scheme known as ObamaCare. As the Journal Sentinel reports, the nine lawmakers who say they would back such a bill remain unconvinced of the health laws constitutionality:Rep. Chris Kapenga (R-Delafield) is one of the nine from Wisconsin who told the Campaign for Liberty he would back legislation to declare Obamacare illegal and allow police to arrest federal officials who take steps to implement it in Wisconsin. He said he believes the health care law is unconstitutional, despite the U.S. Supreme Courts ruling that it passes constitutional muster. Just because Obama was re-elected does not mean hes above the constitution, Kapenga said.Another one of the state lawmakers who responded to Campaign for Libertys survey, Rep. Don Pridemore (R-Hartford), said he would also support legislation preventing his governor from setting up a health exchange in the state without first getting approval from the state legislature similar to a ballot initiative that passed last week in Missouri. That seems reasonable, Pridemore told the Journal Sentinel. It was making a statement to the federal government that we dont want Obamacare. Under the health reform law, states that refuse to set up their own health insurance exchanges simply cede their control to the federal government, which will step in and set up an exchange for them. The Campaign for Liberty promotes a tenther vision of the Constitution that would allow conservative states to reject federal laws they disagree with, though Wisconsin is still required to follow federal laws like Obamacare.

Wisconsin Lawmakers Seek To Arrest Officials Who Implement ObamacareEven though House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has acknowledged that Obamacare is the law of the land, nine state lawmakers in Wisconsin are hoping to ensure that President Obamas health reform law wont ever be implemented in their state. The group of Tea Party-affiliated Republicans is backing a bill that would arrest any federal officials who attempt to implement Obamacare in Wisconsin. The state officials responded to a survey from the right-wing advocacy group Campaign for Liberty to confirm they would support legislation to nullify ObamaCare and authorize state and local law enforcement to arrest federal officials attempting to implement the unconstitutional health care scheme known as ObamaCare. As the Journal Sentinel reports, the nine lawmakers who say they would back such a bill remain unconvinced of the health laws constitutionality:Rep. Chris Kapenga (R-Delafield) is one of the nine from Wisconsin who told the Campaign for Liberty he would back legislation to declare Obamacare illegal and allow police to arrest federal officials who take steps to implement it in Wisconsin. He said he believes the health care law is unconstitutional, despite the U.S. Supreme Courts ruling that it passes constitutional muster. Just because Obama was re-elected does not mean hes above the constitution, Kapenga said.Another one of the state lawmakers who responded to Campaign for Libertys survey, Rep. Don Pridemore (R-Hartford), said he would also support legislation preventing his governor from setting up a health exchange in the state without first getting approval from the state legislature similar to a ballot initiative that passed last week in Missouri. That seems reasonable, Pridemore told the Journal Sentinel. It was making a statement to the federal government that we dont want Obamacare. Under the health reform law, states that refuse to set up their own health insurance exchanges simply cede their control to the federal government, which will step in and set up an exchange for them. The Campaign for Liberty promotes a tenther vision of the Constitution that would allow conservative states to reject federal laws they disagree with, though Wisconsin is still required to follow federal laws like Obamacare.wow. with the secession news and this news....this is really turning out to be a "good news" week.i truly thought real americans were just gonna roll over and die under the fed tyranny. i'm feeling bettereveryday.

Pat Robertson Excuses Petraeus, Blames Broadwell For AffairRight-wing televangelist Pat Robertson absolved former CIA Director David Petraeus of blame in his affair with biographer Paula Broadwell, implying that Broadwell initiated the affair and that Petraeus was powerless to resist. Speaking on The 700 Club, his show, Robertson said Petraeus conduct was understandable because the mans off in a foreign land and hes lonely and heres a good-looking lady throwing herself at him. Hes a man. There is no evidence that Broadwell initiated the relationship and, even if she did, that doesnt mean that he no responsibility for his decision to engage in extra-marital relations. Robertson previously blamed women for male sexual misconduct before: when asked for advice by a viewer bothered by her husbands flirtation with other women, Robertson said first thing is you need to make yourself as attractive as possible and dont hassle him about it. The televangelist is also perplexed by the idea that women enjoy erotica and wrote in a fundraising letter that feminism is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.Pat Robertson is like the crazy old uncle people keep locked up in the attic.

Pat Robertson is like the crazy old uncle people keep locked up in the attic.Perhaps Robertson and Biden should go bowling sometime?

Perhaps Robertson and Biden should go bowling sometime?You right wingers just love to paint Biden as 'crazy' because he has cajones and that makes you nuts.

Judge Slaps Husteds Last-Minute Ballot Change In OhioOhio Secretary of State Jon Husteds last-minute change to how provisional ballots were handled violated the Constitution and Ohio election law, a federal judge ruled Tuesday.Husted ordered elections officials on Nov. 2 to only count a provisional ballot if the voter had noted what type of identification he or she was using. But U.S. District Judge Algenon Marbley ruled that Husteds directive could disenfranchise voters and called it a flagrant violation of a state elections law, according to the Plain Dealer. Marbley noted that Husteds order came just days before the election, yet the secretary had previously told federal courts that he couldnt comply with other rulings because they were handed down too soon before the election.Marbley ruled that Husteds order violated a state law that puts the burden on poll workers to properly complete a provisional ballot form. He ordered Husted to issue a new directive by noon on Friday before officials begin counting the provisional ballots.The surreptitious manner in which the Secretary went about implementing this last minute change to the election rules casts serious doubt on his protestations of good faith, Marbley wrote.Husteds office said he planned to appeal the ruling, arguing it would allow potentially fraudulent votes to be counted.This guy tried everything he could to steal Ohio for Romney, even changing the rules on the Friday before the election.He failed.Romney Co-Chair: Voter ID Would Have Won Us WisconsinA state senator who served as co-chair of Mitt Romneys Wisconsin campaign suggested this week that the Republican presidential nominee would have carried the state if a voter ID law had been in place.Voter ID absolutely would have made a difference in the outcome of the election, state Sen. Alberta Darling [R] told Mike Gousha of WISN on Sunday. She suggested that voter fraud helped President Barack Obama win the state.Obama won more than 52 percent of the vote in Wisconsin. His margin of victory over Romney was more than 200,000 votes.Actually what she meant to say was not that voter fraud helped Obama win, but that voter disenfranchisement would have helped Romney win.

You right wingers just love to paint Biden as 'crazy' because he has cajones and that makes you nuts.Even the media has mentioned Biden being like the crazy uncle. Ya gotta admit, his gaffes, which are numerous, are sometimes kinda crazy, sometimes racist. When they're racist, he's excused as the crazy uncle.And since when am I a rightwinger?I consider most Democrats and Republicans to be about as useful as cancer.

Even the media has mentioned Biden being like the crazy uncle. Ya gotta admit, his gaffes, which are numerous, are sometimes kinda crazy, sometimes racist. When they're racist, he's excused as the crazy uncle.Journalist Michael Kinsley, once said, "A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth - some obvious truth he isn't supposed to say."And since when am I a rightwinger?If it walks like a duck......

Journalist Michael Kinsley, once said, "A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth - some obvious truth he isn't supposed to say."If it walks like a duck...... Apparently you haven't seen me hammmering on DL. Ya know I advocate free markets, freedom and liberty. Rightwingers (and leftwingers) give lip service to free markets, freedom and liberty.Well call it a Biden-ism. It's like a Bush-ism.

I agree with you Thrash, but if you read some of Kelliak's posts in here, you'll see that he is very hard on women when it comes to unwanted pregnancies, and never once mentioned anything about the men who engage in unprotected sex. Sorry, I'm not letting the men off the hook that easy. For every unwanted pregnancy, there is a male component as well as a female.I applaud you for being so responsible, and I was always that way too, before my hubby got snipped.But unfortunately not all people act the same way. And BC does sometimes fail.If Kelliak is so anti-abortion, then he should be telling his male counterparts to wrap it up.Can't argue with that. A woman terminating an unwanted pregnancy IS taking responsibility.Don't you think it would be more responsible of her to avoid getting pregnant in the first placeif she doesn't want children?Abortion should be a Plan C thing.Plan A: use BC.Plan B: Use plan B, lol. /snarkPlan C: Use abortion if you must.Because the risk is all the woman's, the decision is hers alone as well.Of course, but that isn't what the right wing fanatics want. All this caterwauling they do about "babies" isn't about babies at all. It's about putting those s1utty women who think they can make their own decisions back in their place.Well, I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on the first part, simplybecause neither of us is going to change the other's mind. I agree that the Republicans have been rather hypocritical, especially with some of thesepro-life bills they're writing.But I don't think that's the case with every person, rightie or leftie, who opposes abortion.

Don't you think it would be more responsible of her to avoid getting pregnant in the first placePerhaps, and perhaps not. Each situation is different, and, in any case, that still fails as a justification for denying someone's rights, as Kelliac is trying to do.if she doesn't want children?Abortion should be a Plan C thing. Plan A: use BC.Plan B: Use plan B, lol. /snark Plan C: Use abortion if you must.I think that is exactly what most women do, but again, irrelevant to using that as a justification.Well, I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on the first part, simplybecause neither of us is going to change the other's mind. I don't think we are disagreeing, actually. The issue isn't your or my opinion on what constitutes "responsible" behavior, it is about the right to bodily autonomy.I agree that the Republicans have been rather hypocritical, especially with some of thesepro-life bills they're writing. But I don't think that's the case with every person, rightie or leftie, who opposes abortion.No, but it certainly is the biggest component. After all, how many of our resident righties, who screech endlessly about their love of babies, have been able to name one single thing they have posted about what should be done to help LIVING babies? Or things they themselves have done to help - other than jerking themselves off about their sanctity on message boards? Edited by Isabel, 14 March 2011 - 06:03 PM.

Perhaps, and perhaps not. Each situation is different, and, in any case, that still fails as a justification for denying someone's rights, as Kelliac is trying to do.*sigh* Fair enough.I think that is exactly what most women do, but again, irrelevant to using that as a justification.It's not irrelevant. The world isn't going to grind to a halt because we ask sexually active people,men included, to use BC. That's my take on it, while I respect your opinion.I don't think we are disagreeing, actually. The issue isn't your or my opinion on what constitutes "responsible" behavior, it is about the right to bodily autonomy.I concur.No, but it certainly is the biggest component. After all, how many of our resident righties, who screech endlessly about their love of babies, have been able to name one single thing they have posted about what should be done to help LIVING babies? Or things they have done themselves to help - other than jerking themselves off about their sanctity on message boards?I try not to get into abortion debates anymore, so I'm not sure what all of them are saying.I see it here and there, though. A lot of it is sanctimonious, but some of it I have to agree with.

I really don't understand why anyone in the Middle Class would ever support the Republican Party.Yeah, who cares about freedom, prosperity and low taxation?Let's let Beltway politicians spend more and micromanage the smallest details of Americans' lives, even life and death issues like health care.Let's follow the repressive, failed model of Socialism.If nothing else, you sure are tenacious Puss.This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by RichClem . View it anyway? Why Clem Discredits MeAnd you're nothing if not a dishonest coward.I discredit you because you're a shameless lying hack and shill for the Democrat Party.So?

It's the old,"Hey look, a squirrel!" diversion professional Democrat Operative Liars use.Roughly 11% real unemployment and still rising.A $1.6 trillion deficit that Obama and Democrats refuse to cut, but little Miss Marxist is worried about one animal porn video, the same person who defended a real life, actual rapist.How's that roaring Obama Economy doing?Lying partisan hack.Oh s--t I'm getting these deja vu attacts again, and they always seem to happen when I read basement boys posts. you lying republican chump your a$$hole is known as an entertainment center by the rep party.

Maybe you can tell me how what I do is any different than what anybody else does here?You see many people on the right here citing what their side does wrong?Do you ever cite what your side does wrong?That's how it works Chuck. Each side criticizes the other.I've never seen you take anyone on the right to task for not pointing out the faults on their own side.Why am I being held to a different standard?I often call my side out for doing wrong. Bailouts are but one example. When Bush introduced his TARP crap, I was front and center critisizing it, and him, and all the republicans who supported it. Partisan, I ain't.I'd say probably zero, since I rarely start any threads here anymore, because that maniac Clem derails them all. That's why I started this one, so I'd have at least one place to vent. And as you can see, he keeps posting in here, even though he knows I have him on ignore.I think you have me confused with Fox News. I never claimed to be Fair and Balanced.I freely admit that the Democratic Party is only slightly better than the Republicans when it comes to selling us out to special interests, and that there is too much money in politics altogether.I guess being from a working (middle) class backround, I identify more with the Dems, since one of their big special interest groups is organized labor, and that's probably what keeps them from selling out to big business altogether, and becoming a carbon copy of the Republican Party.I really don't understand why anyone in the Middle Class would ever support the Republican Party.God, guns, patriotism, and the America dream. The democrats oppose all three. THAT'S WHY the middle class supports supports republicans over democrats.

Maybe you can tell me how what I do is any different than what anybody else does here?You see many people on the right here citing what their side does wrong?Do you ever cite what your side does wrong?That's how it works Chuck. Each side criticizes the other.I've never seen you take anyone on the right to task for not pointing out the faults on their own side.Why am I being held to a different standard?I often call my side out for doing wrong. Bailouts are but one example. When Bush introduced his TARP crap, I was front and center critisizing it, and him, and all the republicans who supported it. Partisan, I ain't.I strongly criticized Bush's allowing of overspending, his education bill and his drug benefit, among others.When the Iraq War was going terribly, I admitted that it might have turned out to be the biggest foreign policy mistake in US history.I opined that before the last election, Congressional Repubs were to a large degree empty suits and hacks.Yet little Miss Marxist accuses me of being an uncritical shill for Bush and Repubs.And she never lies!