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the primitive afghanis kicked the *** of the soviet empire with inferior weapons. And who was assisting and financing the Mujahideens? That would be us, along with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, Egypt,the People's Republic of China and others.

And who was assisting and financing the Mujahideens? That would be us, along with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, Egypt,the People's Republic of China and others. it doesn't matter. they had inferior weapons. look what's going on in syria right now. look at afghanistan right now. more US troops have died there under obama than during 8 years of bush. it's all about organization. and the US military really doesn't like obama anyway. and MANY of them are what you would call "gun nuts". think they're gonna be willing to start mowing down US citizens to protect a gun ban? doubtful.

...the US military really doesn't like obama anyway. and MANY of them are what you would call "gun nuts". think they're gonna be willing to start mowing down US citizens to protect a gun ban? doubtful.There isn't going to be a gun ban.No one is talking about taking all guns away.The only ban being talked about is one specific type of weapon.I'm not buying the slippery slope argument.I don't get it.Some nut tries to light his shoe on fire on an airplane, now we all have to take off our shoes at the airport.Some other idiots were supposedly plotting to use hydrogen peroxide to blow up an airplane, now we are not allowed to take more than 4 ounces of liquid on an airplane.In both cases no one was killed, but we all went along with the new regulations willingly.We've had multiple mass murders where military style weapons with extended clips were used and many people were killed, and we are not even allowed to have a discussion about banning the sale of these types of weapons.If the shooters names were Hamadi or Abdalla, things might be different.Seems like we don't mind giving up some of our freedoms when a Muslim is involved.

You can't argue with these cons, Misty--they're just too sentimental about their guns.

There isn't going to be a gun ban.No one is talking about taking all guns away.The only ban being talked about is one specific type of weapon.I'm not buying the slippery slope argument.It looks like we are only going to take your assault rifles and high capacity magazines and clips. For now...So, Misty, who am I supposed to believe: You? Or your fellow libs that say the opposite of what you say?You libs really need to show up at your meetings, you need to get your lies straight.

So, Misty, who am I supposed to believe: You? Or your fellow libs that say the opposite of what you say? You libs really need to show up at your meetings, you need to get your lies straight. You're supposed to pay attention to the least plausible recommendations of the lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party and then bitch and whine about them. Get with the program (on Fox News).

So, Misty, who am I supposed to believe: You? Or your fellow libs that say the opposite of what you say? Depends on which Libs you're talking about. I know you right wingers like to paint us all with one big broad brush. The Libs that count, the ones in Congress, are not calling for taking all guns away. They are talking about banning a specific type of weapon and a specific type of ammo clip. Libs on the internet can spout off all they want. We will NEVER ban all guns in this country, nor should we. Better get off that slippery slope before you fall down and break your ***.

What Second Amendment absolutists forget about the Heller decision.The Heller case stemmed from a handgun ordinance in Washington, D.C. that required handgun owners to get a one-year license from the police chief and required owners to keep the guns locked and unloaded at home. Resident Dick Heller applied for a license, but was refused and then filed a lawsuit.In his majority opinion in the court's 5-4 ruling in Heller, Justice Antonin Scalia said the 2nd Amendment "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."But the justice also argued the protection has some limits."Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose ..." Scalia wrote that the opinion was not in conflict with bans on gun ownership for convicted felons or the mentally ill. He also did not argue against restrictions on gun-carrying in places like schools and government buildings.Carroll said Scalia's opinion also includes language that may help those who want restrictions on assault rifles and magazines that can hold large numbers of bullets.The justice wrote that the opinion should not be seen as casting doubt on "laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. (The court's 1939 Miller case) holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those 'in common use at the time' finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."LINKAlso:In Heller, Scalia articulated a fundamental right of self-defense, an unmentioned substantial right under the Second Amendment, which Scalia found to exist by implication.LINK

Yes, sustained shooting fun. Because reloading magazines takes time and isn't as much fun as shooting. Plus, kids are quick. Too soon?

Yes, sustained shooting fun. Because reloading magazines takes time and isn't as much fun as shooting.Plus, kids are quick.Too soon?There will never come a time when that is not in bad taste.

There will never come a time when that is not in bad taste.Do you ever wonder why you think it's not okay to joke about certain things?It's a joke. I don't think children getting murdered is funny, but I do think jokes about it are!Have you never chuckled at a "dead baby" joke?

Dr.No:Do you ever wonder why you think it's not okay to joke about certain things?Misty: Sweetie you can joke about whatever you want, but I reserve the right to say that I think it's in bad taste.Dr. No: Have you never chuckled at a "dead baby" joke?Misty: Have you ever seen a four year old or a six year old in a tiny white coffin?Sorry, I have, and somehow I failed to see the humor in it.I guess I don't have as good a sense of humor as you do.

11 Year-Old In Utah Brings Gun To School For Self Defense After NewtownA sixth-grader in Utah was caught with a 22.-caliber handgun at his school yesterday, which he says he brought with him for self-defense in case of an incident like the Newtown school shooting.Kids being kids, he was already waving the gun around by recess, allegedly threatening some of his classmates with it. For some reason his classmates waited until almost the end of the school day to report it, at which point police were immediately called to the school where they discovered the unloaded .22 along with ammunition in the kids backpack.The boy told police his parents sent him to school with the gun for protection, which the parents adamantly deny according to the AP.Apparently the gun had been left at the boys home by a relative.Whyis it that Inever see gun rights activists denouncing irresponsible gun owners like this who just leave their weapons lying around, where anyone can get hold of them?The parents deny that they told their son to take the gun to school, but the gun was just left at their house by a relative.To the extent that more gun regulations are going to be put into effect,the blame goes toirresponsible pinheads like this.

Why don't conservatives criticize family-values spokespersons who cheat on their spouses? Edited by jayjay, 19 December 2012 - 03:53 PM.

Why don't conservatives criticize family-values spokespersons who cheat on their spouses?I don't know. Could it be hypocrisy? LOL

Why don't conservatives criticize family-values spokespersons who cheat on their spouses? they should. all this talk about guns and gun bannings....when really it's the culture of immorality and lack of family values causing this $h!t.

they should. all this talk about guns and gun bannings....when really it's the culture of immorality and lack of family values causing this $h!t. Interesting point, though I'm not sure if I agree. A little more ilicit sex and a little less legal weaponry and we might be better off.

Top Conservative Publication: Shooting Occurred Because Women Ran The SchoolIf there were fewer women and more male aggression in Sandy Hook Elementary School, the massacre there never would have taken place, according to a contribution to a leading conservative magazine.National Review, whose in-house editorial suggested Newtown was the price of the Second Amendment, published a piece on Wednesday from anti-feminist Charlotte Allen suggesting the reason the shooter was able to kill so many students was because Newtown was a feminized setting:There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K6 school), all the personnel the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the reading specialist were female. There didnt even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanzas knees. Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers. The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the schools public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms. But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.Via Jessica Valenti, who notes that this is extraordinarily disrespectful to the female teachers and staff at Sandy Hook. Allen mentions their heroism as an anomalous aside rather than exceptional bravery that saved lives. The bravery of the women in Newtown principal Dawn Hochsprung and psychologist Mary Sherlach who rushed the shooter before being killed, teacher Victoria Soto who died protecting her students, Kaitlin Roig and Abbey Clements who hid their students and calmed them is remarkable.Allen went on to blame Lanzas mother, saying You simply cant give a non-working, non-school-enrolled 20-year-old man free range of your home, much less your cache of weapons.Unfortunately, the idea of being an adult and a man once one has reached physical maturity seems to have faded out of our coddling culture.So now it's women's fault. ROFL

Interesting point, though I'm not sure if I agree. A little more ilicit sex and a little less legal weaponry and we might be better off. better to die of AIDS than a gunshot wound, eh?