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As for my statement that 40% of all guns sold are sold on the secondary market with no backround checks, NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg made that statement recently and Politifact has ruled it 'mostly' true, only because the only statistics available are not very current. They aren't "current" because they aren't correct. And don't think I didn't see that little slight of hand. Your first statement was "40% of the weapons sold are sold with no backround checks at all", and now that I called you on it, you've changed that statement to "40% of all guns sold are sold on the secondary market". Notice I included your misspelling in the first quote, to ensure you don't try to spin your attempt to change what you said. By the way, since you've obviously never attempted to purchase a gun at a gun show, the guy running the booth has to call the sale in to the feds and get approval. They do it on the phone while you stand there, unless you have a concealed carry permit, which shows you've already passed the background check. So you just dropped that 40% share of the market WAY under 10%. So, in conclusion, I have to agree that you DID pull that "fact" out of your ***. Gee, I wonder why current regulations dont allow direct tallies of these sorts of gun sales? Who doesn't want us to know how many guns are being sold with no backround checks? Groups opposed to greater regulation were asked to rebut the mayors assertion and did not respond. Of course they didn't, because they know what he said was true. Because a lot of this "secondary" market is me selling a gun to my buddy John. How would anyone track that? Edited by Golfboy, 27 December 2012 - 03:53 PM.

They aren't "current" because they aren't correct. And don't think I didn't see that little slight of hand. Your first statement was "40% of the weapons sold are sold with no backround checks at all", and now that I called you on it, you've changed that statement to "40% of all guns sold are sold on the secondary market". Notice I included your misspelling in the first quote, to ensure you don't try to spin your attempt to change what you said. By the way, since you've obviously never attempted to purchase a gun at a gun show, the guy running the booth has to call the sale in to the feds and get approval. They do it on the phone while you stand there, unless you have a concealed carry permit, which shows you've already passed the background check. So you just dropped that 40% share of the market way under 10%. that's what i was thinking. i know at indiana gun shows, there is a background check. the only way to purchase a gun without one here is at horse auctions and things like that or personal trades like you mentioned. a very low number.

It will be interesting to see where the guy (a convicted murderer) who shot the four Firefighters and killed two of them in NY on Christmas Eve got his Bushmaster AR-15. So much for laws prohibiting felons from acquiring firearms, eh? Sumpin about those intent upon doing harm...

Thing I haven't heard is a responce from you about my compromise. Oh sure you jump all over the background check deal but no mention of expanding and making federal conceal carry laws. So very liberal of you. Very standard liberal MO.Hello! I'm a Liberal. Never denied that fact.MistyBlue, on 27 Dec 2012 - 14:17, said:It will be interesting to see where the guy (a convicted murderer) who shot the four Firefighters and killed two of them in NY on Christmas Eve got his Bushmaster AR-15.So much for laws prohibiting felons from acquiring firearms, eh?That's just it. There is no law requiring a backround check for guns bought on the secondary market (gun shows, internet, private sales...etc.).

Hello! I'm a Liberal. Never denied that fact. That's just it. There is no law requiring a backround check for guns bought on the secondary market (gun shows, internet, private sales...etc.). That's not the point. It is illegal for a convicted felon to possess a firearm. That is the point.

They aren't "current" because they aren't correct.No, the figures aren't current because the NRA opposes keeping data on gun show sales.And don't think I didn't see that little slight of hand. Your first statement was "40% of the weapons sold are sold with no backround checks at all", and now that I called you on it, you've changed that statement to "40% of all guns sold are sold on the secondary market".Notice I included your misspelling in the first quote, to ensure you don't try to spin your attempt to change what you said.You're so **** cute.Because I worded something one way in one post and slightly different in another post, I was pulling a 'slight of hand'?ROFLI changed nothing.I said that 40% of guns are sold on the secondary market (gun shows, internet, private sales) with no backround checks.And that's what I meant.Unfortunately, current federal law requires criminal background checks only for guns sold through licensed firearm dealers, which account for just 60% of all gun sales in the United States. A loophole in the law allows individuals not “engaged in the business” of selling firearms to sell guns without a license—and without processing any paperwork. That means that two out of every five guns sold in the United States change hands without a background check.http://www.csgv.org/...n-show-loopholeSo only 60% of gun sales go through licensed firearms dealers and require a backround check.And two out of every five gun sales are made on the secondary market and require no backround check.Two out of five?That's what....about 40%? ROFLMistyBlue, on 27 Dec 2012 - 16:18, said:That's just it. There is no law requiring a backround check for guns bought on the secondary market (gun shows, internet, private sales...etc.).That's not the point.It is illegal for a convicted felon to possess a firearm.That is the point.Gun show loophole.Google it.

Gun show loophole. Google it. and what good would it do to close the loophole? if an individual purchase is going to happen outside the set-up booths of the show, they could easily just make the deal verbally and then walk across the street and make the actual exchange. having security in the building itself to monitor that no personal transactions happen would stop nothing.

The majority of guns sold at gun shows and on the internet go through a FFL and hence require an NICS.

I admire your tolerance for boredom, I have gone through 5 cups of coffee and fallen asleep 6 times already trying to get through basement boys posts.I don't actually read them.

I admire your tolerance for boredom, I have gone through 5 cups of coffee and fallen asleep 6 times already trying to get through basement boys posts.I don't actually read them. Sure, who would want to know that two full years after Obama's economic policies passed, the real unemployment rate is roughly 11.5%?Not a Democrat Operative liar like you, for sure!See you in 2012, moonbat.

Sure, who would want to know that two full years after Obama's economic policies passed, the real unemployment rate is roughly 11.5%?Not a Democrat Operative liar like you, for sure!See you in 2012, moonbat.You've already said that a couple dozen times, or maybe a couple hundred moron, and I suspect the lie will grow to 99.93% if given time. You are nothing but a shameless Limbaugh clone. Most people leave when their bag is empty and they have nothing left to offer, but not the basement boy, he believes in recycling.

Afraid to Watch the News, Millions Turn to Fox Channel Offers Welcome Break from Reality, Psychologists Say NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) With unprecedented crises engulfing the world, millions of television viewers are finding the news too stressful to watch and are turning to the Fox News Channel instead.Things are so bad in the world right now, many people are afraid to watch the news, says psychologist Davis Logsdon, who studies the relationship between news consumption and stress at the University of Minnesota. For them, Fox News represents a welcome break from reality.Tracy Klugian, 37, a systems analyst from Lansing, Michigan, said that he was flipping the channels to find anything but news and found himself watching Fox for the first time.They had this guy on something Beck I think his name was and he was just going on and on, making stuff up, he said. I was like, this is the kind of mindless junk I need right now.Mr. Klugian says he now records the program and watches it every day when he gets home for work: For one hour at least, I know that I can kick back and not hear anything thats going on in the world.He said that watching Fox had also introduced him to my favorite new comedian this hysterical woman named Michele Bachmann.She was doing this bit about how the American Revolution started in New Hampshire, not Massachusetts, and then she started mixing up where Lexington and Concord were, he said. Okay, I know it sounds really stupid, but I almost peed myself.Elsewhere, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said he is not worried how history will remember him because if I have my way, there wont be any history teachers.

For them, Fox News represents a welcome break from reality.Tell ya what, I'll give you antoher chance at this. A while back you liberals were going on and on and on about how Fox lies so I simply demanded that instead of SAYING Fox lies, why not produce the actual lies.You all didn't do too well at that. Matter of fact, the only thing you were able to produce was some vidio of Hannity, Beck and O'Riely being rude. No lies though. Care to give it a go again?

If lefty`s could get rid of Fox news then it would be lefty news 24/7/365 on every channel..that`s why you really hate one station...P.S. And I dont even watch it...

Afraid to Watch the News, Millions Turn to Fox Channel Offers Welcome Break from Reality, Psychologists Say Speaking of reality, two full years after Obama's economic policies passed, the real unemployment rate is roughly 11.5%.And Obama and Dems are stubbornly defending a $1.6 trillion deficit.Yet little Miss Marxist is bleating about the #1 news network being out of touch with reality.You can't make stuff like this up.

Tell ya what, I'll give you antoher chance at this. A while back you liberals were going on and on and on about how Fox lies so I simply demanded that instead of SAYING Fox lies, why not produce the actual lies.You all didn't do too well at that. Matter of fact, the only thing you were able to produce was some vidio of Hannity, Beck and O'Riely being rude. No lies though. Care to give it a go again?We already did that. You're getting to be as forgetful as your master, RichClem.

Tell ya what, I'll give you antoher chance at this. A while back you liberals were going on and on and on about how Fox lies so I simply demanded that instead of SAYING Fox lies, why not produce the actual lies.You all didn't do too well at that. Matter of fact, the only thing you were able to produce was some vidio of Hannity, Beck and O'Riely being rude. No lies though. Care to give it a go again?The amount of mis-information that comes out of Fox News is legendary. Do your own research. Google Fox News Lies.Here.....I'll throw you a bone.The Ten Most Ridiculous Fox News Lies, Creative Edits and Half TruthsFox is to news what the WWE is to wrestling.I hope you and Clem both know that the piece I posted was satirical. I'm sure he doesn't. He has no sense of humor. I don't read his posts, but I'd bet money that he took it seriously. Edited by MistyBlue, 21 March 2011 - 04:16 PM.

The amount of mis-information that comes out of Fox News is legendary. I'm not going to waste any time posting it.I was just responding to your post. If you can't back up what you post then your post is worse than useless. Including that crap right there.It's a lie.We already did that.Where?

Here.....I'll throw you a bone.The Ten Most Ridiculous Fox News Lies, Creative Edits and Half TruthsI don't think so, last time I went to one of your links I wasted my time.YOU tell me some Fox lies. You don't see no stinkin links like that in my thread, I spend the time, I type, I get the job done.Your turn.

MistyBlue, on 21 March 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:The amount of mis-information that comes out of Fox News is legendary. I'm not going to waste any time posting it.I was just responding to your post. If you can't back up what you post then your post is worse than useless. Including that crap right there.My post was satirical Zippy.From Wikipedia: Andy Borowitz is a comedian and satirist who won the first National Press Club award for humor, and is known for creating the satirical website the Borowitz ReportI went back and edited my reply anyway, and gave you one link.If you Google 'Fox News Lies' you can find many more.I'm not going to waste my time providing you with links for something that is: 1. readily available online if you care to look....and 2. blatantly obvious to anyone who is even mildly aquainted with the facts. I already know how Fox operates. If you don't, that's on you. Edited by MistyBlue, 21 March 2011 - 04:24 PM.