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RichClem » 13 Nov 2014 4:28 pm » wrote:Look at the fascist try to seize someone else's property.

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 4:32 pm » wrote:Whose property is it Kitten?

RichClem » 13 Nov 2014 4:34 pm » wrote:It belongs to the company that invested and built it.

Obama Was Right: The Government Invented the Internet

Everyone in the tech world knows that the Internet got its start in the 1960s, when a team of computing pioneers at the Pentagon’s Advanced Research Projects Agency designed and deployed ARPANET, the first computer network that used “packet switching”—a communications system that splits up data and sends it across multiple paths toward its destination, which is the basic design of today’s Internet. According to most accounts, researchers working on ARPANET created many of the Internet’s defining features, including TCP/IP, the protocol on which today’s network operates. In the 1980s, they strung together various government and university networks together using TCP/IP—thus creating a single worldwide network, the Internet.

RichClem » 13 Nov 2014 4:14 pm » wrote: There must be some way to run a wire to carry a signal to your home from a semi-distant receiver.
99:1 that could easily be worked out with minimal effort by some company, if it's not already available.

Misty: You would give them the power to block or slow down users’ connections to online content, discriminate against online content and applications that they don't like, censor our speech, exert control over where you go and what you see, and scrutinize every piece of information we send or receive online IOW spy on us.
If broadband providers were reclassified as telecommunications services, they couldn't do those things.
And that is what the president is asking for. He is not asking to take over the internet.

Clem: I never wrote a single word about much of that, so you're lying.

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 6:53 pm » wrote: That would be the U.S. Government.

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 6:57 pm » wrote: That's what companies like Comcast and AT&T want to do Jackhole.
And you're all for it.

crimsongulf » 13 Nov 2014 6:55 pm » wrote:He said invested and built, not invented.

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 8:13 pm » wrote: The Internet was originally developed by computer scientists whose research was heavily financed by the federal government, most notably through Darpa, the research arm of the Defense Department, so yes the government invested and built it.
Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn developed the TCP/IP on a government contract.
(TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol) is the basic communication language or protocol of the Internet.)

crimsongulf » 13 Nov 2014 8:20 pm » wrote: Read what I said. They did not invest in the infrastructure nor bring it to market.

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 8:24 pm » wrote: There would be no need for any infrastructure and nothing to bring to market had they not paid for the research that developed the protocol.

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 8:13 pm » wrote: The Internet was originally developed by computer scientists whose research was heavily financed by the federal government, most notably through Darpa, the research arm of the Defense Department, so yes the government invested and built it.
Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn developed the TCP/IP on a government contract.
(TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol) is the basic communication language or protocol of the Internet.)

crimsongulf » 13 Nov 2014 8:25 pm » wrote: Trust me, there would be internet without the gov't.

RichClem » 13 Nov 2014 8:27 pm » wrote:The government has also been involved in aerospace, so let's let the federal government run all airlines.
It's been involved in development of internal combustion engines, so let's let the the federal government take over all related industries including the auto industry.
The federal government has been involved in agricultural research and development, so let's let it take over food production.
I mean, why not, moonbats?

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 8:52 pm » wrote: The government doesn't want to run the internet butthole.
They just don't want Comcast and other big ISPs running it.

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 8:52 pm » wrote:And all your talk about competition is ****.
This is what happens when cities try to offer local high-speed Internet service to their residents.
They get threatened by the big ISPs.
Companies like AT&T, Comcast, and Time Warner Cable Inc. have succeeded in getting laws passed in 20 states that ban or restrict municipalities from offering Internet to residents.
Now why would they do that?
I guess they don't like competition, huh Puss?
How big telecom smothers city-run broadband.

crimsongulf » 13 Nov 2014 8:25 pm » wrote: Trust me, there would be internet without the gov't.

RichClem » 13 Nov 2014 9:00 pm » wrote: Great, great point.

Clem: The combination of Big Business and Big Government are literally fascistic.

Clem: That's why your demand that the government take over the internet is stunningly stupid.

Clem: They'll become effective partners and screw ordinary Americans forever.

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 9:52 pm » wrote: Big business is buying the government Puss.
Don't you see that?
They spend billions on lobbying to get what they want.

I demanded no such thing. I would like the status quo to continue.

They already are partners. The ISPs write the checks and our representatives do their bidding.

Misty » 13 Nov 2014 9:47 pm » wrote: Why should I trust you?

RichClem » 14 Nov 2014 7:32 am » wrote:How about because history shows the private sector to be astoundingly innovative if government doesn't interfere?
Are you utterly blind?

Misty » 14 Nov 2014 12:55 pm » wrote:First of all, I wasn't talking to you Jackhole, and second of all, in case the tongue smiley didn't give it away, I was joking with Red.
Unlike you, I don't hate the people that disagree with me politically, and I can joke around with them.
I don't take this **** so personally.



You don't even know me on a personal basis asswipe.